Madden NFL 15 Gameplay Video - Seahawks vs. 49ers (SimFBallCritic)

[NicVirtue]

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I'm about tired of these "phases". We were told there was a 3 year plan since Madden 13....it's been 3 years, why are we still talking about the same issues that have been in the game since Madden 06? It just really feels like we're being spoon fed certain bits of actual football per year. I understand they want to get the gameplay down 1st, but when are we "actually" going to be able to say "Wow, now THAT is football!"? Madden 13-Madden 25 was what, OL/DL improvements, less falling/flopping off of your own team mates, and better foot planting? If there's more within that transition please correct me, because I honestly can't tell. Sooooooo much more can be done with these games and for us to be even entertaining the thought of "Phase 1" or "3 year plans" that will eventually turn into another 3 year plan is ridiculous.

But I guess that's the nature of the beast of exclusivity. Do what you want at your own pace because there's no one to light a fire under you.

[Big FN Deal]

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I'd argue they are less available than Ian and Phil Frasier ever were, different era or not.

I see your and Senator's point but to JP's point, I think these current devs are very accessible on Twitter versus OS like Ian and dem boys. So all of you are "right" in a sense, just in relation to different internet mediums.

"Blessed are the peacemakers...."

[roadman]

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I see your and Senator's point but to JP's point, I think these current devs are very accessible on Twitter versus OS like Ian and dem boys. So all of you are "right" in a sense, just in relation to different internet mediums.

"Blessed are the peacemakers...."

I see your point too, Big, I just thought JP was referring that Sim has Cam's ear at E3.

I'd say not all developers are on Twitter, either. I don't think Cam or Rex are.

Also, another thing I consider, I'd say we had more influence with Ian and Phil than Twitter World, but that's just me thinking aloud.

[kehlis]

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I see your and Senator's point but to JP's point, I think these current devs are very accessible on Twitter versus OS like Ian and dem boys. So all of you are "right" in a sense, just in relation to different internet mediums.



"Blessed are the peacemakers...."

While true twitter is far less of a means for communication because of character limits than any forum could be and in all honesty probably ends up to more confusion because of vague posts being cut off.

[kehlis]

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I'm about tired of these "phases". We were told there was a 3 year plan since Madden 13....it's been 3 years, why are we still talking about the same issues that have been in.

We're in our third second year of a three year plan in the last 3 years.

[Big FN Deal]

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I see your point too, Big, I just thought JP was referring that Sim has Cam's ear at E3.

I'd say not all developers are on Twitter, either. I don't think Cam or Rex are.

Also, another thing I consider, I'd say we had more influence with Ian and Phil than Twitter World, but that's just me thinking aloud.

I feel you, though I think OS felt they had more influence with those guys but the final product didn't really show that, imo. I give them credit for the interaction and outreach on OS but it, like so many other things over the years, didn't change the game much. I still remember Ian's POV on penalties, adaptive AI and animations, all of which he was clearly pro User control over realism.

Anyway, we've both been around long enough to know that while having dev interaction is better than not having it psychologically, it usually has very little influence on how the game inevitably turns out.

[Senator Palmer]

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I see your and Senator's point but to JP's point, I think these current devs are very accessible on Twitter versus OS like Ian and dem boys. So all of you are "right" in a sense, just in relation to different internet mediums.

"Blessed are the peacemakers...."

Twitter wasn't then what it was today. Back in my day (lol!) we had message boards... but I digress.

Ian and Phil answered questions directly here. You could actually inbox them and a few other developers and they'd respond. You didn't have to rely on info from the person of a person who went to EA. They were part of this community. I've been asking questions on twitter for the past four years to various people on the Madden team and have only gotten a response once during a Q&A session. It got to the point where I didn't think I knew how to use the damn thing.

I will say this, though, I actually have conserved directly with a couple of the new developers about certain aspects of the game via old fashioned means during certain times of year and have found them very accomodating and friendly (Clint in particular). So, I don't want it to seem like I'm taking shots at the current team to prove my point. But I haven't seen many WIP videos of green screen avatars posted on Twitter with a developer asking us what we thought. I haven't seen any of them upload a youtube video on a whim of them tweaking the pass rush the way Ian did to gauge time in the pocket. I could be wrong, though.

[Big FN Deal]

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While true twitter is far less of a means for communication because of character limits than any forum could be and in all honesty probably ends up to more confusion because of vague posts being cut off.

Yeah good point there, though I have heard people that tweet with Clint give him credit for not being thin skinned as some devs could come across in the past. So that would lend some credence to the "more accessible" claim JP made. Also, those few characters were apparently enough to have Josh Looman block people when CCM first came out, lol.

[jpdavis82]

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Yeah good point there, though I have heard people that tweet with Clint give him credit for not being thin skinned as some devs could come across in the past. So that would lend some credence to the "more accessible" claim JP made. Also, those few characters were apparently enough to have Josh Looman block people when CCM first came out, lol.

Looman did and eventually Mike Young blocked me too. What I was referring to was mainly Clint, but I have seen Rex post on here before. Rex seems more transparent in interviews and stuff, he gives straightforward answers, doesn't only answer softball questions.

[treq21]

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Just ask lbzrule about what was supposed to be coming. He can tell you about what he saw back in 2009. Yeah... How'd that turn out? I'll believe it when I see it. Also, what's coming out years from now shouldn't be a concern. We should be able to enjoy this year's game.

Exactly! How many years should we have to wait til next year???? Until I deem this game to be worthy of my 60 dollars, and more importantly my time, it will be a no buy for me. 2 years running now, and it looks like its going to be 3. As long as people keep buying a sub standard product they will keep delivering substandard products

I am one of the older guys on here and until recently had been playing madden every year since 1989. It saddens me it has to come to me not buying the game anymore because of so few advancements, and in some cases, going BACKWARDS. I thought we would have something really special by now, and had there been a competitor we probably would. Exclusivity has killed Madden.

[jmurphy31]

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Ian and company were on twitter quite a bit. In fact that's the main reason I got on twitter. Also I think being accessible is interacting with the community, not going through middle men (gcers). I actually think some of the game changers take more heat than the developers do now.

[jmurphy31]

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Twitter wasn't then what it was today. Back in my day (lol!) we had message boards... but I digress.

Ian and Phil answered questions directly here. You could actually inbox them and a few other developers and they'd respond. You didn't have to rely on info from the person of a person who went to EA. They were part of this community. I've been asking questions on twitter for the past four years to various people on the Madden team and have only gotten a response once during a Q&A session. It got to the point where I didn't think I knew how to use the damn thing.

I will say this, though, I actually have conserved directly with a couple of the new developers about certain aspects of the game via old fashioned means during certain times of year and have found them very accomodating and friendly (Clint in particular). So, I don't want it to seem like I'm taking shots at the current team to prove my point. But I haven't seen many WIP videos of green screeen avatars posted on Twitter with a developer asking us what we thought. I haven't seen any of them upload a youtube video on a whim of them tweaking the pass rush the way Ian did to gauge time in the pocket. I could be wrong, though.

Both Ian and Phil in boxed me here a few times answering my questions. It's too bad other developers aren't on here interacting anymore. But I can't blame them. The abuse on here was pretty bad.

[jpdavis82]

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Exactly! How many years should we have to wait til next year???? Until I deem this game to be worthy of my 60 dollars, and more importantly my time, it will be a no buy for me. 2 years running now, and it looks like its going to be 3. As long as people keep buying a sub standard product they will keep delivering substandard products

I am one of the older guys on here and until recently had been playing madden every year since 1989. It saddens me it has to come to me not buying the game anymore because of so few advancements, and in some cases, going BACKWARDS. I thought we would have something really special by now, and had there been a competitor we probably would. Exclusivity has killed Madden.

I would suggest renting the game before you deem it substandard.

[treq21]

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I can already tell its substandard regarding the things that are important to me just by watching these videos.

[jpdavis82]

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I can already tell its substandard regarding the things that are important to me just by watching these videos.

Just because a game doesn't have everything you are wanting doesn't mean it's substandard, it means you don't like it. I believe M15 will be a high quality game in many areas. We're seeing an alpha build of the same two teams every time, this is the least amount of footage in years that we have gotten to judge a game off of. This team is trying to undersell over deliver so keep that in mind.