Madden NFL 15 Trailer and Screenshots - Player Sense 2.0

[SoxFan01605]

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I'm wondering if they are trying to simulate a DB reading the QB's eyes, at least that is how I took it.

That line had me scratching my head as well.

Heh...I did a double take when I saw who responded to that CB. Welcome back! (I don't post that often anymore, so my apologies if I'm behind the curve on you reemergence).

Anyway, you may be right...although I'm hesitant to trust Madden AI with such concepts. As long as it all works without being cheap though, I guess it doesn't matter much. We'll see.

[kehlis]

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Heh...I did a double take when I saw who responded to that CB. Welcome back! (I don't post that often anymore, so my apologies if I'm behind the curve on you reemergence).

Anyway, you may be right...although I'm hesitant to trust Madden AI with such concepts. As long as it all works without being cheap though, I guess it doesn't matter much. We'll see.

It's a fair concern.

It's not unrealistic for a DB to break before a ball is thrown in anticipation but with computer programming involved you never know.

[countryboy]

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Heh...I did a double take when I saw who responded to that CB. Welcome back! (I don't post that often anymore, so my apologies if I'm behind the curve on you reemergence).

Anyway, you may be right...although I'm hesitant to trust Madden AI with such concepts. As long as it all works without being cheap though, I guess it doesn't matter much. We'll see.

Thanks for the welcome!

I'm hesitant as well to give them the benefit of the doubt that the AI will work in a way that doesn't feel cheap/robotic/or "cheating".

[The JareBear]

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Am I wrong or were "disguised coverages" something that were supposedly added to the game a couple years ago? Maybe I have it mixed up here.

The video looks pretty good. Would like to know that "Coach Sense" has been improved too, in regards to CPU play calling and game management.

[kjcheezhead]

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All in all not too bad considering wr/db interaction wasn't worked on much. The vid shows alot of aggressive db play, but the wrs attempts look half hearted still. That Jordy Nelson curl route was my least favorite. He leans back away from the ball and let's the db undercut him. He should attack the ball and lean into the pass. Not run back 5yards toward the line of scrimmage like they do now, but lean in and go after it.

[friscob]

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Better pass rush, better coverage, reduced qb accuracy .... im excited. Now give me some franchise info already!

[noplace]

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Looked like classic mirroring to me and the animations look really bad..

[RexDEAFootball]

I'm wondering if they are trying to simulate a DB reading the QB's eyes, at least that is how I took it.

That line had me scratching my head as well.

Actually this came from Cortez Allen from the Pittsburgh Steelers and Stevenson Sylvester from the Buffalo Bills. We had both guys down here for a week working with us on coverage. They explained to us that in zone coverage, they break as soon as they see the QB locks his shoulder to throw. We scale break time by the zone coverage rating, so you will really only see this from 90+ rated zone coverage defenders.
Trust me we are well aware of psychic DB concerns and this will NOT be in the game.

[SoxFan01605]

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It's a fair concern.

It's not unrealistic for a DB to break before a ball is thrown in anticipation but with computer programming involved you never know.

I agree. If that is indeed the concept (getting a good read/jump, so to speak), I'd think that would be better suited towards the play recognition rating or, better still, a separate trait related to DB aggressiveness to make it a risk/reward based system (i.e. a higher rated defender is more likely to make the right jump vs a lower rated guy).

Tying it towards the coverage rating itself (and making such reaction a product of higher rated defending) is what I'm concerned with since it would seem to eliminate the risk of making a bad jump and merely make such early reads the norm for high rated defenders).

Hopefully further details explain it better and can allay my concerns.

EDIT: This was posted while I was typing:

Actually this came from Cortez Allen from the Pittsburgh Steelers and Stevenson Sylvester from the Buffalo Bills. We had both guys down here for a week working with us on coverage. They explained to us that in zone coverage, they break as soon as they see the QB locks his shoulder to throw. We scale break time by the zone coverage rating, so you will really only see this from 90+ rated zone coverage defenders.
Trust me we are well aware of psychic DB concerns and this will NOT be in the game.

That sounds like a reasonable explanation. I'll be interested to see how it's executed, thanks!

[4thQtrStre5S]

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Unfortunately for me, it didn't do much. I immediately saw two situations where a defender was standing completely still, flat footed doing nothing. That would never be the case. Even if that defender, in this case it's a corner, is responsible for backside contain, he's going to creep up near the line of scrimmage or he's simply going to attack it. If not that, he would help out in coverage. I just don't understand how they don't see that happen and don't address it. It's been in the game for years. This clip was only a couple of minutes and I saw it twice.

EDIT: if you look at the 31 second mark, the corner and MLB are standing still. Graphics look really nice.

I get what you are saying and have no argument against your position, but I do have a question that I hope may be answered here and may even shed some light on the flat footedness of at least the CB....The CB is question, the one on the right sode of teh field was at the first down line, correct? just wanna make sure we're focusing on the same CB....

Now my question is, was there previous information in regards to the ability to move defenders to play in front of or along the first down marker line? Could that be what the CB was doing? I am not justifying his flat footedness, just curious if that may have been an example of this apparent feature of defending the first down markers?

[TeixeiraFanatic]

The plays at 0:12 and 0:55 with the Broncos and Chiefs respectively stood out to me the most.

In the first, you see the Broncos defender with his back turned away, stop and turn on a dime speed up instantly and pick the ball off.

And on the second one, you see the Chiefs defender move diagonally at full speed, even faster than the wideout going on a slant.

It seems like they are working on making defense better but tbh these little things are what get overlooked and cause the most frustration for me.

They need to re-haul the way players move and only then will we see a real improvement in gameplay.

[newtonfb]

Wow animations are awful. Everything looks so clunky moving.

The graphics look great and the idea of smarter AI is always welcome but I personally cannot get past how bad the animations are. Looking at all the next gen games (sports and non-sports) and then looking back at how madden looks in motion is just awful.

[The GIGGAS]

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EDIT: also, the Jaguars' new video board is ******* gigantic.

I do believe you mean video boards. There's one over each endzone.

[jmurphy31]

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All in all not too bad considering wr/db interaction wasn't worked on much. The vid shows alot of aggressive db play, but the wrs attempts look half hearted still. That Jordy Nelson curl route was my least favorite. He leans back away from the ball and let's the db undercut him. He should attack the ball and lean into the pass. Not run back 5yards toward the line of scrimmage like they do now, but lean in and go after it.

I thought the same thing when I saw this. Nelson just stands there and never makes a play on the ball.

On a side note. Not sure if they do this alreay, but I dont think they do. I would love to see the WR attempt a break up a pass if it looks like an INT.

[XXstormmXX]

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This seems all good except for one part saying the best zone coverage guys will sometimes jump before the ball is thrown. I hope this is done realistically instead of the return of the psychic LBs.