Madden NFL 15 - Complete Player and Team Ratings For AFC and NFC North

[LBzrule]

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not saying your wrong but on the field speed is different than your 40 speed

but i totally agree with what your saying

but i also agree with the intangible thing....footbal i would say is 65-35 phyiscal- mental with a few exceptions like QB, P/K, and maybe FB (probably not because even the ravens kicked leach to the side for someone younger and better hands)

The ratings scale is off but it doesnt need a drastic change everyone is calling for

Interested in the FBG ratings but im a online cfm guy so thats a no go

Per the bolded, while you are correct, what then would be the case is the game is radically inconsistent in its ratings. Yes field speed and 40 speed are different, but then when does one determine when a person's rating should move from 40 to field speed? What's the variable that determines that? Seems to be very subjective no?

[ggsimmonds]

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Ravens fan so I got a few things to say.

Joe Flacco -- Gasp, this is actually a good rating. To my fellow Ravens fan who thinks Joe deserves better than that 63 deep accuracy, Joe was dreadful on his downfield passes last season (last among QBs if I recall). Now we can argue that part of the reason was how often he threw deep (loses the surprise factor) but either way he was terrible.

Jimmy Smith -- Rubbish rating. Jimmy and Webby should both be an 88.

Rest of the team -- Most of our top guys, with the exception of Tucker, are overrated. But then again the league as a whole is overrated so it balances out. But personally I don't think a single player aside from the goofy kicker is deserving of a 90+ rating.

I will be editing quite a bit this year.

[friscob]

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Ravens fan so I got a few things to say.

Joe Flacco -- Gasp, this is actually a good rating. To my fellow Ravens fan who thinks Joe deserves better than that 63 deep accuracy, Joe was dreadful on his downfield passes last season (last among QBs if I recall). Now we can argue that part of the reason was how often he threw deep (loses the surprise factor) but either way he was terrible.

Jimmy Smith -- Rubbish rating. Jimmy and Webby should both be an 88.

Rest of the team -- Most of our top guys, with the exception of Tucker, are overrated. But then again the league as a whole is overrated so it balances out. But personally I don't think a single player aside from the goofy kicker is deserving of a 90+ rating.

I will be editing quite a bit this year.

Rare case of honesty from a fan. I salute you good sir.

[jm2054]

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My biggest issue is Bell only being a 82 and Blount being a 83. There is no way Bell shouldn't be higher rated then Blount.

[OhMrHanky]

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Cutler only 85 toughness? Don't care how good or bad you think he is but he is tough as nails.

Toughness is supposedly how quick someone rebounds from injury. Cutler has always appeared to be a whiny sulker, so they prob don't think he rebounds well. Lol.

[mmorg]

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My NFC North division preview show will be going live on Twitch in the next 5-10 minutes. Link is in my sig.

[DCEBB2001]

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Per the bolded, while you are correct, what then would be the case is the game is radically inconsistent in its ratings. Yes field speed and 40 speed are different, but then when does one determine when a person's rating should move from 40 to field speed? What's the variable that determines that? Seems to be very subjective no?

"Game Speed" is a myth. Nobody is actually faster on the playing field vs. running in their 40 trials. What you call "game speed" is actually reaction, anticipation, and technique being utilized to increase/decrease separation between players. How else could Jerry Rice get open at 40 and Ray Lewis tackle a sub 4.5 RB at 35? Players don't get faster - they get smarter and more technically sound to keep them in the game.

[friscob]

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Players might not get faster, but they definitely can get slower. That part isn't a myth. That's what "game speed" really means

[DCEBB2001]

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Players might not get faster, but they definitely can get slower. That part isn't a myth. That's what "game speed" really means

The notion that speed is what is causing a player to move faster though, is a myth. There is a great topic buried in the annals of OS about this. I believe it is the "Speed is Speed" thread. Speed in Madden refers to the top maximal velocity of a player achieved during a run. Vision is not speed. Reaction is not speed. Agility is not speed. Route-running is not speed. Acceleration is not speed. Awareness is not speed. Play recognition is not speed.

Only speed is speed. For every reason you can think that a player's speed would be affected, I can think of 10 times more reasons why it wasn't, but other attributes made it seem as though it was...simply because there are far more variables to creating a player profile than just speed.

[Primo80]

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"Game Speed" is a myth. Nobody is actually faster on the playing field vs. running in their 40 trials. What you call "game speed" is actually reaction, anticipation, and technique being utilized to increase/decrease separation between players. How else could Jerry Rice get open at 40 and Ray Lewis tackle a sub 4.5 RB at 35? Players don't get faster - they get smarter and more technically sound to keep them in the game.

I dont think thats a very good example, JR and RL were two of the hardest working players in the league during their entire careers. They were workout warriors.

I also dont think the notion of game speed has ever suggested that a player in full pads on game day would be faster than his ideal 40 time. Rather, it is suggesting how close a player is to the ceiling he had set for himself on a track.

[friscob]

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The notion that speed is what is causing a player to move faster though, is a myth. There is a great topic buried in the annals of OS about this. I believe it is the "Speed is Speed" thread. Speed in Madden refers to the top maximal velocity of a player achieved during a run. Vision is not speed. Reaction is not speed. Agility is not speed. Route-running is not speed. Acceleration is not speed. Awareness is not speed. Play recognition is not speed.

Only speed is speed. For every reason you can think that a player's speed would be affected, I can think of 10 times more reasons why it wasn't, but other attributes made it seem as though it was...simply because there are far more variables to creating a player profile than just speed.

Nobody ever said any of those things are speed. But some players slow down below their maximum speed in game situations. Pull a guy off a track who excels and put him in a game and his "game speed" is nowhere near his actual physical capabilities. Some players have no inhibitions and willingly play full steam ahead putting their body on the line, and some don't. This isn't really debatable either unless you're strictly talking in a video game sense and not real life.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Dalton is rated too high, he is average at best.

85 is probably right around average. Halfway between Ryan Fitzpatrick and Andrew Luck.

[LBzrule]

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"Game Speed" is a myth. Nobody is actually faster on the playing field vs. running in their 40 trials. What you call "game speed" is actually reaction, anticipation, and technique being utilized to increase/decrease separation between players. How else could Jerry Rice get open at 40 and Ray Lewis tackle a sub 4.5 RB at 35? Players don't get faster - they get smarter and more technically sound to keep them in the game.

I get that. I'm just responding to the previous poster who's basing Sherman's rating strictly on game speed. This was brought up because I posted Sherman's 40 time vs Jimmy Smith and Matt Elam's, both who have faster 40 times than Sherman yet Sherman is much faster than them in Madden. But the reason why Madden has Sherman like that is because they don't have those intangibles as a big part of the game and my conclusion is the entire system is flawed so I see why they do what they do even though I don't like it.

[Wreckincrew]

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I get that. I'm just responding to the previous poster who's basing Sherman's rating strictly on game speed. This was brought up because I posted Sherman's 40 time vs Jimmy Smith and Matt Elam's, both who have faster 40 times than Sherman yet Sherman is much faster than them in Madden. But the reason why Madden has Sherman like that is because they don't have those intangibles as a big part of the game and my conclusion is the entire system is flawed so I see why they do what they do even though I don't like it.

Or because he is on the cover and need him to be the best corner in the game to justify that.

[Cre8]

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I get that. I'm just responding to the previous poster who's basing Sherman's rating strictly on game speed. This was brought up because I posted Sherman's 40 time vs Jimmy Smith and Matt Elam's, both who have faster 40 times than Sherman yet Sherman is much faster than them in Madden. But the reason why Madden has Sherman like that is because they don't have those intangibles as a big part of the game and my conclusion is the entire system is flawed so I see why they do what they do even though I don't like it.

What is interesting to me is that we base a player's speed off of a 40 that they ran as an incoming rookie - maybe. Some players don't run the 40... others have an off day when running it (like Joe Haden).

I totally agree with you in terms of the intangibles that Sherman may possess over other players.

I feel like there needs to be a couple different speed/acceleration ratings in order to really show the speed of players. The only time a player will ever run anything like a 40 yard dash will be when running the Verts or defending the Vert route in man coverage.

That said, even when defending the Vert route the DB should be at a slight 'speed' disadvantage because they have to play off of the actions of the WR/QB. When this is the issue, I think 'closing the gap' is something that other DBs do better than others - DeAngelo Hall, Deion Sanders and others have been great at this over the years.

Other players like Sherman seem to require the physicality of their defense in order to keep the WR where they want them more than their straight line speed (IE - press/physical strength). I don't watch a lot of Sherman, maybe he is the fastest player in the league and I don't give him enough credit - but that is my view on what DB speed should be.