Madden NFL 15 Connected Franchise Details, Trailer and Screenshots

[HozAndMoose]

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I have a bad feeling that they are trying to make MUT their main mode much like NBA 2K has made MyPlayer (or whatever its called now) their main mode.
We will need to wait for the MUT reveal but from what Ive read, seems like they are putting more effort/resources towards MUT than CFM or any other mode.

They will make more money off of MUT than they will actually selling the games. Its a good business strategy.

[Nza]

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So EA have finally moved away from the ridiculous pre-generated draft classes entirely? Or by random, is it random collections of pre-generated players?

[Sheba2011]

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I have a few issues with this post.

1. The phrase "Underwear Olympics" goes back to its use in media vernacular, not coaching/scouting vernacular. Brad Sham, the play-by-play commentator for the Cowboys Radio Broadcasts, was one of the original commentators to use it, circa 2008. Mike Florio made it even more popular with an article in 2010. I know several scouts that started their careers out as interns with NFLDS, and I have never ONCE heard any of them use that term to describe the combines/pro days. So your assumption that "scouts/coaches" refer to it in this way is erroneous.


6. You make it seem as though the combine is useless for quantifying the results of the tests. One thing you did not mention was how important the injury testing and physicals are for the teams. These are critical, even more so than the interviews according to many coaches and scouts. However, consider the fact that 30 of the 32 teams pay Pro Scouting/BLESTO in excess of $80,000 for the official results presented to the teams each year for all of the drill data. This data is released a full week after the combine's conclusion. The times you see on NFL Network and NFL.com are not the official times. Believe it or not, there are several instances during the combine where the timing mechanisms break. This is recorded each time it occurs for any player during a test, especially the 40. In fact, all players that run twice actually have 6 times; 3 from each run. Two are hand timed and one is electronically timed. All of the times are complied, reviewed, and altered should a break be found. Some teams use the average of all 6, some throw out the best and worst and average the rest, while others only use the best time. It all depends on your scouting department.

So because you know a few scouts that means that no coach has ever used that term? I found a quote from Cleveland's new HC Mike Pettine on Fox Sports: "When it comes to the (NFL Scouting) Combine, there's a reason people call it The Underwear Olympics." Here's one from Chip Kelly: "The fact that people would watch the combine, there's times at the combine where I actually fall asleep," Kelly joked. Then there is the infamous image of Belichick actually falling asleep during the combine.

Here's what National Football Scouting Director Jeff Foster said about the combine: "The on-the-field stuff, which is the sexy component of the combine and what gets the interest for media and the broadcast, that's a very small part of the evaluation for the clubs," he said. "I would say 90 percent of the evaluation of a person as a football player is done before he arrives here."

6. I specifically said the Combine is useful for the interview process. The physicals, psychological tests etc. are all part of that process. The money paid to services like Blesto/National goes far beyond the combine. The combine is a very small part of the service they offer. They actually start scouting players as Juniors and spend the whole year scouting everything about them as explained here by the Panthers when they switched to BLESTO this year:

"Since the official declaration of the juniors eligible for the draft was January 18th, those guys (BLESTO) have been working on those juniors since the 18th hit," Whaley said, during an appearance Wednesday night on The John Murphy Show live at the Senior Bowl. "What they (BLESTO) do is give us a breakdown on what each of those juniors is about, and how they categorize those guys draft wise. And that will help us narrow our focus." "The BLESTO scouts will give us his information, here’s his lineage, here’s how he played , here’s what we thought about him when he played. Obviously, we had some scouts in on him, but we like to use that information resource as well, to get as much information on the players."

The combine is one tool for scouting but it is not the be all end all everyone makes it out to be. By the time the Combine is actually conducted NFL teams already have their big board set up and know which players they are targeting. Like I said the combine is useful because its the first chance teams have to see their entire big board in one place. As far as the game goes I would prefer actual scouting reports on players as opposed to seeing a 40 time or how many reps a guy did in a bench press. I would rather know if a WR has a tendency to run the wrong routes or if a QB has the arm strength of a 13 year old girl. That tell's me a lot more than knowing that my WR did 12 reps on the bench press.

[DCEBB2001]

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So because you know a few scouts that means that no coach has ever used that term? I found a quote from Cleveland's new HC Mike Pettine on Fox Sports: "When it comes to the (NFL Scouting) Combine, there's a reason people call it The Underwear Olympics." Here's one from Chip Kelly: "The fact that people would watch the combine, there's times at the combine where I actually fall asleep," Kelly joked. Then there is the infamous image of Belichick actually falling asleep during the combine.

Here's what National Football Scouting Director Jeff Foster said about the combine: "The on-the-field stuff, which is the sexy component of the combine and what gets the interest for media and the broadcast, that's a very small part of the evaluation for the clubs," he said. "I would say 90 percent of the evaluation of a person as a football player is done before he arrives here."

6. I specifically said the Combine is useful for the interview process. The physicals, psychological tests etc. are all part of that process. The money paid to services like Blesto/National goes far beyond the combine. The combine is a very small part of the service they offer. They actually start scouting players as Juniors and spend the whole year scouting everything about them as explained here by the Panthers when they switched to BLESTO this year:

"Since the official declaration of the juniors eligible for the draft was January 18th, those guys (BLESTO) have been working on those juniors since the 18th hit," Whaley said, during an appearance Wednesday night on The John Murphy Show live at the Senior Bowl. "What they (BLESTO) do is give us a breakdown on what each of those juniors is about, and how they categorize those guys draft wise. And that will help us narrow our focus." "The BLESTO scouts will give us his information, here’s his lineage, here’s how he played , here’s what we thought about him when he played. Obviously, we had some scouts in on him, but we like to use that information resource as well, to get as much information on the players."

The combine is one tool for scouting but it is not the be all end all everyone makes it out to be. By the time the Combine is actually conducted NFL teams already have their big board set up and know which players they are targeting. Like I said the combine is useful because its the first chance teams have to see their entire big board in one place. As far as the game goes I would prefer actual scouting reports on players as opposed to seeing a 40 time or how many reps a guy did in a bench press. I would rather know if a WR has a tendency to run the wrong routes or if a QB has the arm strength of a 13 year old girl. That tell's me a lot more than knowing that my WR did 12 reps on the bench press.

What you say here is not incorrect. However, the combine tests are very useful for adding/verifying what you see on tape. Maybe a guy isn't as fast/agile/strong as he looks on tape. Maybe he is the opposite, and you have to go back to the tape to review. My point is that the term underwear olympics did not originate in scouting/coaching circles. And of course a guy like Belichick would fall asleep....he will get all of the data from BLESTO anyway a week after the combine concludes and his scouts will be doing their own work in the way that he wants. Most of the work was already done by the time the combine is run anyway - nothing new here.

The big thing to me is that if the numbers didn't matter, then why would teams pay $80k a pop to get them? You can use that data to measure the physical attributes of a player in a static environment, which many scouts do. They compare players and like to verify what they see on tape. So why can we not do this in Madden? Those numbers are set in stone. Why aren't Madden's? We should be able to do the same stuff in the game that the scouts do in real life - verify physical and technical skills. I can watch an OG pass-block all day, but that doesn't tell me how fast he is. Madden uses traits to measure players and speed (maximum velocity, rather) is one of them. Scouts do the same thing. They try to evaluate and measure what they can. Why else would they turn technical skills grades into numeric ratings?

[Sheba2011]

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What you say here is not incorrect. However, the combine tests are very useful for adding/verifying what you see on tape. Maybe a guy isn't as fast/agile/strong as he looks on tape. Maybe he is the opposite, and you have to go back to the tape to review. My point is that the term underwear olympics did not originate in scouting/coaching circles. And of course a guy like Belichick would fall asleep....he will get all of the data from BLESTO anyway a week after the combine concludes and his scouts will be doing their own work in the way that he wants. Most of the work was already done by the time the combine is run anyway - nothing new here.

The big thing to me is that if the numbers didn't matter, then why would teams pay $80k a pop to get them? You can use that data to measure the physical attributes of a player in a static environment, which many scouts do. They compare players and like to verify what they see on tape. So why can we not do this in Madden? Those numbers are set in stone. Why aren't Madden's? We should be able to do the same stuff in the game that the scouts do in real life - verify physical and technical skills. I can watch an OG pass-block all day, but that doesn't tell me how fast he is. Madden uses traits to measure players and speed (maximum velocity, rather) is one of them. Scouts do the same thing. They try to evaluate and measure what they can. Why else would they turn technical skills grades into numeric ratings?

Actually Belichick doesn't use BLESTO or National, he has his own in house scouting service as do a few other teams. You can watch an OG run a 40 yard dash in perfect conditions but it's not going to tell you how good of an OG is, it's going to tell you fast he can run in a straight line without pads on while no one is hitting him. How often in the real NFL is an OG going to be in that scenario? Some of the drills do provide a purpose but most of them have no barring on how good of a player he will be. Jerry Rice the greatest WR in NFL history ran a 4.71 40yd dash. At the 2014 combine that would have been 4th worst among WR's. Does that tell us anything about the player Jerry Rice was? How often do you remember Jerry Rice being caught from behind? He played a lot faster than 4.71.

As I already pointed out teams are paying services like BLESTO for a whole lot more than just combine numbers. You seem to think the combine is the only reason these services exist. The combine is a very small part of what they do. The days following the current draft every BLESTO or National scout will meet and go over every prospect for the coming year, they assign draft grades on number scales based on where they think they will be drafted. It provides a starting point for how teams set up their draft board. BLESTO was only used by 8 teams in 2014 (Carolina, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Jacksonville, Washington, Detroit, Minnesota and the New York Giants). The rest either use National or have their own in house scouting service (Patriots, Baltimore, Atlanta - all GM's who are part of the Belichick tree).

At the end of the day though you think the combine tests are useful (as do some real NFL coaches), i think they are highly overrated (as do some other NFL coaches). We can just agree to disagree on that.

[DCEBB2001]

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Actually Belichick doesn't use BLESTO or National, he has his own in house scouting service as do a few other teams. You can watch an OG run a 40 yard dash in perfect conditions but it's not going to tell you how good of an OG is, it's going to tell you fast he can run in a straight line without pads on while no one is hitting him. How often in the real NFL is an OG going to be in that scenario? Some of the drills do provide a purpose but most of them have no barring on how good of a player he will be. Jerry Rice the greatest WR in NFL history ran a 4.71 40yd dash. At the 2014 combine that would have been 4th worst among WR's. Does that tell us anything about the player Jerry Rice was? How often do you remember Jerry Rice being caught from behind? He played a lot faster than 4.71.

As I already pointed out teams are paying services like BLESTO for a whole lot more than just combine numbers. You seem to think the combine is the only reason these services exist. The combine is a very small part of what they do. The days following the current draft every BLESTO or National scout will meet and go over every prospect for the coming year, they assign draft grades on number scales based on where they think they will be drafted. It provides a starting point for how teams set up their draft board. BLESTO was only used by 8 teams in 2014 (Carolina, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Jacksonville, Washington, Detroit, Minnesota and the New York Giants). The rest either use National or have their own in house scouting service (Patriots, Baltimore, Atlanta - all GM's who are part of the Belichick tree).

At the end of the day though you think the combine tests are useful (as do some real NFL coaches), i think they are highly overrated (as do some other NFL coaches). We can just agree to disagree on that.

That is interesting because I show that only 2 teams did not pay for the official times this year. Also, I believe that Walsh said Rice ran a 4.59, not 4.71. I think you are missing my point in that this data is relevant to quantifying a player'a physical traits. I never said anything about it saying how good a player will be. However, Chad Reuter had a great article circa 2008 about how faster players are typically drafted higher and will typically make more pro bowls and all pro rosters. I will see if I can dig that up.

[lopey986]

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I have a bad feeling that they are trying to make MUT their main mode much like NBA 2K has made MyPlayer (or whatever its called now) their main mode.
We will need to wait for the MUT reveal but from what Ive read, seems like they are putting more effort/resources towards MUT than CFM or any other mode.

Did you read all the information on what 2k has done with the association/MyGm overall, now called MyLeague? They put a TON of work into that offline mode and even removed VC from the equation altogether, making it just like old school association mode.

[Sheba2011]

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That is interesting because I show that only 2 teams did not pay for the official times this year. Also, I believe that Walsh said Rice ran a 4.59, not 4.71. I think you are missing my point in that this data is relevant to quantifying a player'a physical traits. I never said anything about it saying how good a player will be. However, Chad Reuter had a great article circa 2008 about how faster players are typically drafted higher and will typically make more pro bowls and all pro rosters. I will see if I can dig that up.

Bill Belichick has never belonged to either national scouting service. In 1993 when he was the coach of the Browns together with Mike Lombardi, Ernie Adams, Ozzie Newsome and a few others they developed their own scouting system different from what most of the NFL uses. They have their own way of grading players and their own way of quantifying results from events like the Senior Bowl and Combine. Ozzie took it with him to Baltimore, Thomas Dmitroff took it with him to Atlanta. That is one of the reasons Belichick almost completely ignores 40 times and focuses more on the 3 cone drill.

[bucky60]

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RB is a position where scheme matters less and we all know the reason. If you have a fast RB he will be effective.

If something makes scheme much less effective, then scheme is much less effective. Whatever the cause, the schemes don't work the way they should.

No, it is a problem with how speed, acceleration, and agility are nearly the only things that matter for RBs.

If speed causes scheme to not work correctly, then scheme doesn't work correctly.

But if you think a player should run slower, be less agile, etc simply because he is playing out of scheme then we have reached a fundamental disagreement.

I think scheme should effect player performance. So my 65 RB and WR don't produce like my 85 RB and WR. Same with my 3-4 DT.

No it is not simple math, because there are different overalls. The scheme influenced overall is not the real overall, i.e. it is not the overall driving the engine.

But the scheme overall helps determine salary. I know my 65 scheme RB was real cheap to resign. Why does it matter that the depth chart and in game overall is different if the scheme overall is what effects salary. Again, scheme effects overall, overall effects salary. Scheme effects salary.

I actually do disagree with this statement. The problem is not with scheme but with the player ratings and their impact on gameplay such as the aforementioned speed of RBs.

Does it really matter to us consumers what the underlying cause is that makes scheme ineffective? If ratings make scheme ineffective, then scheme is ineffective. I think rosters and depth charts should also be changed to give schemes the depth they need to be useful.

[swiftychampleone]

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Did you read all the information on what 2k has done with the association/MyGm overall, now called MyLeague? They put a TON of work into that offline mode and even removed VC from the equation altogether, making it just like old school association mode.

Just read it myself and EA needs to take a page out of their book. That's how you do a Franchise Mode! I want that type of control in a Madden Franchise Mode with all 32 team control. Why is that so hard to do in regards to giving us the customization WE want? Now if I'm wrong about this on Madden '15, I'll take this back. I need proof that I can have this type of control before I can buy Madden. It should be MY game and world where I can do what I want. That's the foundation of a sports game. Control. We should have control.

[lopey986]

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Just read it myself and EA needs to take a page out of their book. That's how you do a Franchise Mode! I want that type of control in a Madden Franchise Mode with all 32 team control. Why is that so hard to do in regards to giving us the customization WE want? Now if I'm wrong about this on Madden '15, I'll take this back. I need proof that I can have this type of control before I can buy Madden. It should be MY game and world where I can do what I want. That's the foundation of a sports game. Control. We should have control.

Couldn't agree more!

[ThreeKing]

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After watching football last night, I need this game in my life ASAP.

I wish they would go back to releasing Madden in early August instead of late August.

[ggsimmonds]

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If something makes scheme much less effective, then scheme is much less effective. Whatever the cause, the schemes don't work the way they should.




If speed causes scheme to not work correctly, then scheme doesn't work correctly.



I think scheme should effect player performance. So my 65 RB and WR don't produce like my 85 RB and WR. Same with my 3-4 DT.



But the scheme overall helps determine salary. I know my 65 scheme RB was real cheap to resign. Why does it matter that the depth chart and in game overall is different if the scheme overall is what effects salary. Again, scheme effects overall, overall effects salary. Scheme effects salary.



Does it really matter to us consumers what the underlying cause is that makes scheme ineffective? If ratings make scheme ineffective, then scheme is ineffective. I think rosters and depth charts should also be changed to give schemes the depth they need to be useful.

We are talking in circles so this will be my last comment.

Schemes may be less effective but it is not the fault of schemes. It is the fault of other shortcomings in the game.

I'm not going to touch the scheme should effect production. You have it wrong, and I will leave it at that.

You either ignored what I said about front end overall determining salary or are having a hard time processing it. I honestly do not know which it is.

You never answered my questions as to what run plays you ran andwhat kind of runner is this 65 overall guy. That matters.

Schemes are not ineffective, they work rather well. The shortcomings that are present are due to other gameplay related issues. If you want to take that as some moral victory in this little debate you and I are having go ahead but I just think you do not understand the purpose of schemes.

[lopey986]

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We are talking in circles so this will be my last comment.

Schemes may be less effective but it is not the fault of schemes. It is the fault of other shortcomings in the game.

I'm not going to touch the scheme should effect production. You have it wrong, and I will leave it at that.

You either ignored what I said about front end overall determining salary or are having a hard time processing it. I honestly do not know which it is.

You never answered my questions as to what run plays you ran andwhat kind of runner is this 65 overall guy. That matters.

Schemes are not ineffective, they work rather well. The shortcomings that are present are due to other gameplay related issues. If you want to take that as some moral victory in this little debate you and I are having go ahead but I just think you do not understand the purpose of schemes.

I mentioned this in another thread regarding schemes, but here is my 2 main issues with it as it was setup in 25.

1. Scheme overalls don't translate from the menus into the game. So in the menu I'll have a guy showing 82 overall but once I enter the game and need to make a sub all the sudden he is a 65.

2. Schemes make it way too easy to alter the results of games you simulate. My all time favorite example: Devin Hester. If you set the bears wr scheme to speed, Devin Hester becomes a 90 overall and leads the NFL in receiving. In any other scheme Devin Hester is a 69 overall who sucks and can't catch. I don't care what scheme you run, no scheme should make Devin Hester the best receiver in the NFL.

EDIT: what do you mean by "front end overall"? I get what the other guy was saying about schemes affecting how much guys got paid. Because this was an easy way to game free agency too. Go edit your scheme to be the exact opposite of the guy in free agency you want and his overall will go down IN FREE AGENCY allowing you to sign him for less and then you flip your scheme to what his optimal is and you've got a legit player on the cheap.

[ggsimmonds]

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I mentioned this in another thread regarding schemes, but here is my 2 main issues with it as it was setup in 25.

1. Scheme overalls don't translate from the menus into the game. So in the menu I'll have a guy showing 82 overall but once I enter the game and need to make a sub all the sudden he is a 65.

2. Schemes make it way too easy to alter the results of games you simulate. My all time favorite example: Devin Hester. If you set the bears wr scheme to speed, Devin Hester becomes a 90 overall and leads the NFL in receiving. In any other scheme Devin Hester is a 69 overall who sucks and can't catch. I don't care what scheme you run, no scheme should make Devin Hester the best receiver in the NFL.

EDIT: what do you mean by "front end overall"? I get what the other guy was saying about schemes affecting how much guys got paid. Because this was an easy way to game free agency too. Go edit your scheme to be the exact opposite of the guy in free agency you want and his overall will go down IN FREE AGENCY allowing you to sign him for less and then you flip your scheme to what his optimal is and you've got a legit player on the cheap.

1. EA says they fixed that this year and now the in game overall will match the menu overall (the scheme overall)

2. To be honest I am not sure how overall affects the simulation engine. I remember you (at least I assume it was you) mentioned the Hester thing before but I never noticed that problem so I cannot speak on it.

3. Front end overall is the default rosters that are used in play now. They are the "true" overall. Your trick of changing scheme would not work for two reasons: Once a AI team makes an offer your lowball offer will get declined.More importantly, your scheme does not affect the free agent's asking price. His base overall determines how much money he wants.