Same old issues again

[SloeyEZ]

Re: Same old issues again

I was thinking more along the lines of an existing studio creating another NFL branded football game for EA, as opposed to them starting an entirely new one but I get your point. Likely there would be some cost in even an existing studio taking on the development of a new football game, which is a valid hurdle but they moved NBA Live from EA Canada to Tiburon, I believe, so it's not unheard of. I'm just of the opinion that Madden is limited by its' legacy and Tiburon's approach to dealing with it all these years, both of which wouldn't be an issue with an entirely different EA football game, developed in a different studio.

For whatever reasons I doubt EA would ever do what I'm suggesting anyway, I just decided to post about it because I'm tired of hoping or suggesting Madden ever become anything else.

Hey Big, long time no read.

So, I've been ninja reading M15 forum for a week now and finally breaking my silence. Not going to reply to anything M15 because a) I don't own it and b) I don't own it.

Your topic is interesting though, and if you'll remember my posts from years ago, I think I have the "experienced background" to add my $.02 although I'm afraid it's slightly off-topic for this thread, but since kehlis is involved, I'll add to your conversation.

The idea of EA producing a separate NFL licensed game is not far fetched for any of the reasons you or kehlis have already discussed. It's already happened twice. Head Coach '06 '09, (and yes, I still play HC 09 but am playing M12 right now--last Madden I bought once I heard that Looman & Co. were on the Franchise team) which (finally) leads me to my point because they were part of the team for Head Coach '09. A separate game by EA with the NFL license other than Madden. When Looman & Co. were active on here back then (including part of 2012) they were gracious enough to reveal that HC did NOT make enough money to continue.

Big, there are costs associated with making a separate game even without having to "create" a brand new studio or even a team or whatnot ( I won't pretend to know the financials of creating a game) but whatever those costs are/were, HC was canceled because it didn't make enough money.

I wish it weren't true, and EA would work to create "other" types of games for "other" types of Madden players, but twice, it economically did not work. I'm just as bitter as anyone else, but at least we can't say they didn't try--twice. Who am i kidding we'll always say it We're devout.

Okay, I think I was successful in not getting into the M15 fray but man there are some posts I reallllllllly want to reply to, but won't

Try to have fun everyone <3 *poof*

[Big FN Deal]

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@SloeyEZ, yeah man, awhile since I seen you post and I completely understand fighting the desire to get into the routine fray. As far as the other attempts EA has made at selling other NFL branded games, I get that they didn't sale well but imo that's due to poor execution of the concept, not the concept itself being poor.

Some consider me anti-EA and/or anti-Madden when actually I'm just anti-narrow minded, as I see it. For example, I think it's narrow minded and short sighted that 2k made a generic football game without a multi-year career mode and absent a host of other User customization tools, then herald a lack of sales of it as some example of how a football game won't sale without NFL branding. Likewise, I hold the same POV for touting HC09, which had no on field User game play or any other number of lacking NFL branded EA titles poor sales, as some indication of the sales potential for deeper games in the NFL gaming market. Those other games prove that those type of games won't sale but imo, Madden proves that a NFL game with just enough depth and modes, with limited competition, will.

[RonMexico1992]

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Translation: I am a fan of a certain other game and I refuse to mess with the sliders because it would make the game play better and I would have to be positive about madden which I can't do because because I am overly biased toward that other game so I will just trade madden in rather than play madden objectively just once.

lol i have been tinkering with madden sliders since 07'? and since midnight when the game was released? but you know me. lol I have owned every madden since 02, and played them a ton. Clearly said I was tired of tinkering with sliders. Fifa i will have to put in 1 set, and i will be good to go. But keep assuming.

[RonMexico1992]

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^^^ translates to, "I know madden is not nearly as good as I'd hoped, but in order to convince myself it is better than it is, I need everyone else to agree with me, otherwise I won't be able to enjoy it - therefore, I will find ways to slander their posts in order to make myself feel better about the game".

See what I did there? lol. We can all play this game sir. If you enjoy madden, that is a good thing, there is no reason for you to care what anyone in this thread has said. If you disagree and want to share your opinion on why - that is also very welcomed. However, simply stating that everyone who does not share your view is because they want to play 2k is both annoying and silly. Everyone wants to enjoy madden. Some do and some don't ACTUALLY enjoy it. These are friendly opinions on why, there is no reason to make silly assumptions which you are not informed enough to make.

Like I said, nothing wrong with disagreeing with the points made here, let's just not start this game vs. game thing when it isn't really relevant.

thanks. appreciate it.

[RonMexico1992]

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Let's not use a blanket assumption as a means to make a backhanded insult at another user.

Thanks.




Also, if the 1992 in his username is his birth year it would be pretty unlikely that he would have a bias of one game over the other.

exactly. been playing madden since 98'? thanks

[RonMexico1992]

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im just tired of constantly tinkering with the sliders, its almost feels like im plugging in pieces of a puzzle that EA gives me every year. Well, Im not tired anymore. I sold it. Sorry Madden :/

[cjallure24]

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The first two days, people were raving about how this is the best madden ever. I just knew the infatuation stage would wear off. I hate to compare, but the madden community is enormous, yet they never utilize the people who spend countless hours with their game. Case and point, 2K. Lefto's was a huge influence in the PC community, what does 2K do, hire him, Da Czar had been making incredible YouTube videos about gameplay and AI logic, 2K taps him for those very improvements. I would just like to see more all around attention to detail, instead of graphic improvements every year.

[Mr.Smif]

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All Tiburon does is tune, manipulate/take shortcuts, and add stuff on top of a broken core year after year. Until they scrap the entire gameplay engine expect this trend to continue. We still don't have foot-planting even after True Step, another hyped up short cut, foot-planting is suppose to happen on every play by every player on the field, not just when the user triggers it.

[Mr.Smif]

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It's not the Madden dev's fault, it's EA's. They will absolutely NEVER under ANY circumstances go without a Madden release in any year. The amount of money they would lose would be tremendous. No, what we need is another team that can compete with them, build a game from the ground up, take their time, and release it and kick Madden's ***. But that won't happen because the NFL will never stop its exclusivity deal with EA. Sure they'd make a boatload of money if there were 2 or 3 teams working on NFL games, but obviously they make more with this deal with EA, so that's the way it will be.

I hate to say it, but we're doomed, friends. Utterly doomed.

It not about taking a year off, its about them building up the game every year and they are simply not doing that. I agree that it's EA's fault, its their fault because they are not willing to invest in Madden like they should be, I think this is partly because they dont have to worry about competition.

[redright88]

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The only thing I have seen different between Madden 25 and Madden 15 is they have made the defenders react to passes faster than last year and that has them at times warping all over the place. It really looks bad. They have also reintroduced LBs super leaping to make plays. How anyone that's played Madden 08,09 cannot see the similarity is amazing to me.

Definitely saw, via instant reply this morning, Calvin Johnson breaking away down the sideline after the defense suckered into an all-out-blitz, only for a CB to literally (blur and all) warp 35 yards downfield in turbo/beast mode and tackle him from behind. Almost had to double check that I wasn't playing madden '09. It's like fashion: they wait for some of their moldy code to go out of style and then they bring it back as "all new".

[Gosens6]

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im just tired of constantly tinkering with the sliders, its almost feels like im plugging in pieces of a puzzle that EA gives me every year. Well, Im not tired anymore. I sold it. Sorry Madden :/

I'm almost at this point, but I really want to give them until the first patch. If their tuner is any indication, it won't do much good.

[RandyBass]

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...I'm just of the opinion that Madden is limited by its' legacy and Tiburon's approach to dealing with it all these years...

I don't think it's just an opinion you have, but rather an observation of facts.

Basically what they're trying to do is build a house by remodeling an old one. Yeah it's true you can do some nice things by remodeling, but you can't build a new house without either tearing the old one down, or finding a new plot of land and starting from scratch.

This is my second year in a row skipping Madden, and I still get the sense that even if I play it next year it's just going to feel pretty much like the same game with a large amount of lingering problems.

Not sure what they can do though. A new house is quite a thought, but it's also probably not all that practical, so they decided to remodel instead.

[AndyP]

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Adding the kind of interaction between players that they have in FIFA is truly something they need to prioritise. It works in FIFA, incredibly well in fact. A larger guy can muscle his way past a skinny dude in a realistic way. FIFA isn't perfect either, there are plenty of problems there too and I'm a vet of both series, but in terms of the interaction between the players it's better than Madden.

Although I like M15 a LOT, whoever mentioned 2k5 is right - the replay system is also nowhere near where it was in NFL 2k5. Catching the ball was amazing in that game, you could see the ball genuinely land in the receivers hands. In Madden, it looks like it is sucked into his palms.

Like I said tho', I do like M15 a lot more than recent Madden games. It does a lot of things well this year.

[JagsFan58]

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This thread is a perfect one, I agree with what everyone is saying. What EA needs to do is take a year off and let 2k make the next football game and show EA how it's done.. And I never understood why people say this is the best madden yet, yes the presentation is updated, yes the new players are updated and yes the defense has more pre snap options, BUT this is a game, so focus on the gameplay not this presentation crap with halftime shows or wanna be commercials after each quarter

[Mr.Smif]

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Adding the kind of interaction between players that they have in FIFA is truly something they need to prioritise. It works in FIFA, incredibly well in fact. A larger guy can muscle his way past a skinny dude in a realistic way. FIFA isn't perfect either, there are plenty of problems there too and I'm a vet of both series, but in terms of the interaction between the players it's better than Madden.

Although I like M15 a LOT, whoever mentioned 2k5 is right - the replay system is also nowhere near where it was in NFL 2k5. Catching the ball was amazing in that game, you could see the ball genuinely land in the receivers hands. In Madden, it looks like it is sucked into his palms.

Like I said tho', I do like M15 a lot more than recent Madden games. It does a lot of things well this year.

They need to add FIFA's running too, as the players look like they are actually touching the ground and planting their feet when they are running, not floating on top of the turf like in Madden. Plus I love the short choppy steps FIFA players take, this is needed badly in Madden too.