Madden NFL 16 Features All-New Controls to Dominate Air Supremacy

[aholbert32]

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Pride in their product.

Maximize profits. I can't be the only one that hasn't purchased Madden in 8-9 years.

To make the best/better game. Sounds like there may be competition soon.

But I also don't see it as a risk. Tourney players & cheesers didn't become Madden fans because of exploits. They became fans because Madden has been the most authentic football game 24-25 of it's 27 year existance. The exploits are just the best means to success.

EA is plenty proud of Madden and so are its shareholders. Its the second biggest selling sports game in the world. That makes them plenty proud.

Cant really maximize profits in the short term using that approach. People here believe it would take a significant rebuild of Madden to make it "sim" approved. That means more employees and more overhead. There is a reason that EA takes the bandaid approach instead of doing an overhaul.

Stockholders dont care about the better game. They care about sales. If they cared about the better game, FIFA would play more like PES. They dont care because FIFA's sales dwarf PES's.

You dont see it as a risk but EA does. There are a good amount of Madden players who like playing Madden....not football. They like the exploits and the arcadey action. They arent interested in a wholesale overhaul of the game engine and how its played.

[shaunlmason]

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I don't doubt that but the feeling can go both ways at times. I mention gap assignments and I labeled hardcore wanting ridiculous amounts of realism. You don't have to understand gap assignments to know something doesn't look right.

Let's look at this video on how to stop outside runs.

https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=kJudhMfiBpw

Watch the lineman. At the snap, they hit each other and are stone walled. When I watch football on Sundays I see the line flowing in the direction of the run. Defenders trying to fill gaps and force him to the outside, and that doesn't happen in madden.

These guys are recommending using a 335 nickel to stop run plays. I'm not a coach, but that formation has 5 dbs. That's not the kind of players you want in run support. This is a madden fix for a madden problem that realism can do better without the user understanding concepts that deeply.

To add salt to the wound, another game that released 8 years ago did it more realistically, making everything move and look realistic. But EA cant or won't because it has no back of the box value and I'm still an insane hardcore guy that just needs to go play real football.

Also, to reference the "I'm labeled a crazy hardcore guy", I never said that. I'm a crazy hardcore guy.=) I just mentioned how hard it is to come up with a accessible design, don't take that to mean that I don't think it needs to be done.

[SageInfinite]

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It's really quite genius what EA did. They used their fat wallet to eliminate competition so they don't have to invest much back into the game keeping up with comp. Put out mediocre/poor games for years which spawned a community. Then they took some of the most vocal members of that community(youtubers) and divided it. Now they get as much time to slow role it as much as they want, putting fundamental aspects into the game and get credit for it. Basically what they were doing before, but now they get credit from said community. Brilliant scheme man.

[aholbert32]

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It's really quite genius what EA did. They used their fat wallet to eliminate competition so they don't have to invest much back into the game keeping up with comp. Put out mediocre/poor games for years which spawned a community. Then they took some of the most vocal members of that community(youtubers) and divided it. Now they get as much time to slow role it as much as they want, putting fundamental aspects into the game and get credit for it. Basically what they were doing before, but now they get credit from said community. Brilliant scheme man.

Are we acting like Madden didnt have a community before 2005? There were ****ing flame wars on this site between people who loved Madden and people who loved 2k. Even when 2k was at its pinnacle, there was still a large part of this community that preferred Madden and felt it was the better game.

The exclusive deal didnt help create a Madden community.....it destroyed the 2k community. The Madden community was already in place.

Also, not to excuse EA but what game company doesnt remove features and then advertise its return like a new feature? 2k removed Crew mode from NBA 2k and then announced its return like it was a new feature. Same with My League which is a better version of association mode but was removed in 2k14. Its a ****ty pattern that every game company does but EA isnt alone in this.

[bucky60]

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Are we acting like Madden didnt have a community before 2005?

I think he is saying that the older generation has higher expectations because we've had different experiences than the younger crowd. And it's the younger crowd that EA is bringing up with lower expectations. At least different expectations.

[SageInfinite]

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Are we acting like Madden didnt have a community before 2005? There were ****ing flame wars on this site between people who loved Madden and people who loved 2k. Even when 2k was at its pinnacle, there was still a large part of this community that preferred Madden and felt it was the better game.

The exclusive deal didnt help create a Madden community.....it destroyed the 2k community. The Madden community was already in place.

Also, not to excuse EA but what game company doesnt remove features and then advertise its return like a new feature? 2k removed Crew mode from NBA 2k and then announced its return like it was a new feature. Same with My League which is a better version of association mode but was removed in 2k14. Its a ****ty pattern that every game company does but EA isnt alone in this.

I meant the "sim" community(mostly made up of youtubers and posters from various sites that EA has now admitted into the gamechanger program), not the Madden community. Of course Madden had a community. Remember I was also here for everything as well.

[Rocky]

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I think he is saying that the older generation has higher expectations because we've had different experiences than the younger crowd. And it's the younger crowd that EA is bringing up with lower expectations. At least different expectations.

I agree with this. The same generation that fawned over playmaker contols in 2004 are going into Madden 2016 with different expectations. In fact, some gamers think those games in the past are superior to the ones now!..not actually because 04 is better but because the expectations are different.

[SageInfinite]

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I think he is saying that the older generation has higher expectations because we've had different experiences than the younger crowd. And it's the younger crowd that EA is bringing up with lower expectations. At least different expectations.

I was strictly speaking on the community EA had spawned with previous games. Guys like Apex, Ryan Moody, Simfball critic, Smitty, Azure, ect. Having accepted some of the members into the gamechanger program essentially divided the community. Questioning those guys credibility because now they seem to be much more forgiving of the pace that EA/Tiburon is moving at in terms of providing a simulation effort. Not calling those guys out at all, just simply stating what has occurred. Which was once a strong effort in unity has now been divided. I applaud EA for knowing exactly how to handle that.

[SageInfinite]

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I agree with this. The same generation that fawned over playmaker contols in 2004 are going into Madden 2016 with different expectations. In fact, some gamers think those games in the past are superior to the ones now!..not actually because 04 is better but because the expectations are different.

That's all this really is about. Madden has not matured at the rate that the other sports games have. EA is still targeting the younger gamer, while other franchises are trying to bridge the gap. It seems that EA is trying to, just at a different pace and in a different manner.

[aholbert32]

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I think he is saying that the older generation has higher expectations because we've had different experiences than the younger crowd. And it's the younger crowd that EA is bringing up with lower expectations. At least different expectations.

I actually think the older generation has lower expectations. Especially the guys i remember who were on this site 10-15 years ago. I'm damn near 40. I dont have the time or energy to obsess and complain over video games that I used to.

Thats part of the reason I think I liked Madden 15. For example, the lack of holding penalties annoyed the **** out of me when I first got the game. I reached out to Madden dev Clint on Twitter and he made it clear that new OL/DL changes didnt affect holding and that the dev team didnt see the lack of holding penalties as am problem.

Now 20 yr old me wouldve started a thread about the holding penalties. 20 yr old me wouldve mentioned it in every thread I could. 20 yr old me wouldve asked Steve if I could write a quick article on OS bashing the dev team for ignoring such a fundamental part of the game. 20 yr old me wouldve harassed Clint on Twitter until he blocked me.

I'm 37 now with a wife and a kid who gets excited whenever he has any free time to just unwind and play video games. I had a ball doing that this year. Madden 15 is flawed like most Maddens but it was good enough for me to enjoy playing it and ignore the issues that the game has.

Many of my contemporaries from 10-15 yrs ago are the same way. These are the same guys who would attend E3 with me and respectively call devs out about issues in the games. These guys are still playing video games but they've found a way to ignore the issues.

With that said, I'm still a bit obsessive about NBA basketball and I still find the time and energy to flip out over basic things NBA games leave out so I'm not completely dead.

[aholbert32]

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That's all this really is about. Madden has not matured at the rate that the other sports games have. EA is still targeting the younger gamer, while other franchises are trying to bridge the gap. It seems that EA is trying to, just at a different pace and in a different manner.

Madden has matured at the rate other EA games have. Just not at the rate that non EA games have.

[SageInfinite]

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Madden has matured at the rate other EA games have. Just not at the rate that non EA games have.

Not when it comes to its animations imo. The Tiburon games(Madden, NCAA*RIP* and Live) haven't matured to look the part as well as FIFA, and NHL. The presentation has improved with Madden 15, but it also had taken steps back with 13 and 25 from Madden 12.

[SageInfinite]

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I actually think the older generation has lower expectations. Especially the guys i remember who were on this site 10-15 years ago. I'm damn near 40. I dont have the time or energy to obsess and complain over video games that I used to.

Thats part of the reason I think I liked Madden 15. For example, the lack of holding penalties annoyed the **** out of me when I first got the game. I reached out to Madden dev Clint on Twitter and he made it clear that new OL/DL changes didnt affect holding and that the dev team didnt see the lack of holding penalties as am problem.

Now 20 yr old me wouldve started a thread about the holding penalties. 20 yr old me wouldve mentioned it in every thread I could. 20 yr old me wouldve asked Steve if I could write a quick article on OS bashing the dev team for ignoring such a fundamental part of the game. 20 yr old me wouldve harassed Clint on Twitter until he blocked me.

I'm 37 now with a wife and a kid who gets excited whenever he has any free time to just unwind and play video games. I had a ball doing that this year. Madden 15 is flawed like most Maddens but it was good enough for me to enjoy playing it and ignore the issues that the game has.

Many of my contemporaries from 10-15 yrs ago are the same way. These are the same guys who would attend E3 with me and respectively call devs out about issues in the games. These guys are still playing video games but they've found a way to ignore the issues.

With that said, I'm still a bit obsessive about NBA basketball and I still find the time and energy to flip out over basic things NBA games leave out so I'm not completely dead.

It's great that you've been able to find enjoyment in the game. It's also great that you understand the frustration that some of us still have. Just know we're out here still just voicing our opinions because we haven't found a way to really enjoy NFL Football gaming in awhile. As I always say, I have more fun on the hype train and discussing the game than actually playing it.

[PeoplesChampGB]

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I actually think the older generation has lower expectations. Especially the guys i remember who were on this site 10-15 years ago. I'm damn near 40. I dont have the time or energy to obsess and complain over video games that I used to.

Thats part of the reason I think I liked Madden 15. For example, the lack of holding penalties annoyed the **** out of me when I first got the game. I reached out to Madden dev Clint on Twitter and he made it clear that new OL/DL changes didnt affect holding and that the dev team didnt see the lack of holding penalties as am problem.

Now 20 yr old me wouldve started a thread about the holding penalties. 20 yr old me wouldve mentioned it in every thread I could. 20 yr old me wouldve asked Steve if I could write a quick article on OS bashing the dev team for ignoring such a fundamental part of the game. 20 yr old me wouldve harassed Clint on Twitter until he blocked me.

I'm 37 now with a wife and a kid who gets excited whenever he has any free time to just unwind and play video games. I had a ball doing that this year. Madden 15 is flawed like most Maddens but it was good enough for me to enjoy playing it and ignore the issues that the game has.

Many of my contemporaries from 10-15 yrs ago are the same way. These are the same guys who would attend E3 with me and respectively call devs out about issues in the games. These guys are still playing video games but they've found a way to ignore the issues.

With that said, I'm still a bit obsessive about NBA basketball and I still find the time and energy to flip out over basic things NBA games leave out so I'm not completely dead.

I can relate to that as well. I used to be the same way. Now I am married and have two kids and I just hope to have some time to play games now. Now I just hope I can have a competitive game of Madden and have a close score and don't really pay attention to the stats instead of the 42-7 blowouts that I used to give to the CPU on the last gen Maddens no matter what slider set I put in. Priorities change. Still I am disappointed that it has not caught up with the likes of NHL, The Show, and NBA 2K. NHL is the only other EA sports game I play, and I can play that for hours on end knowing that I will always have a great game. Madden on the other hand burns on me after one game. It is just not that interesting anymore. It's like in my brain I say, "Yeah, I have seen this before.....". Sorry for the rambling if it comes off that way.

[SmittyD81]

It's really quite genius what EA did. They used their fat wallet to eliminate competition so they don't have to invest much back into the game keeping up with comp. Put out mediocre/poor games for years which spawned a community. Then they took some of the most vocal members of that community(youtubers) and divided it. Now they get as much time to slow role it as much as they want, putting fundamental aspects into the game and get credit for it. Basically what they were doing before, but now they get credit from said community. Brilliant scheme man.

Nice opinion Sage!! I wouldn't be invited down to EA if it was all happy go lucky, so that's not the case. There's no "split" as you choose to label it. If someone has a view that opposes others, it's not being respected, but instead you get the outcast treatment or you're one of "them". That mentality has gotta go.

I'll say to you like I say all the time, if you don't like the game....leave it on the shelf and don't buy it.