Some Madden NFL 16 Features Revealed, Pre-Order & Deluxe Edition Details

[JetLife6]

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I do like that they added the video during the QB intros, but it's the same old man run out from Madden 12. It's time to add some variety. That's why Madden gets stale for me faster than the other sports games, there's no true variety. When you see something once, it's the same thing repeatedly.

Also in real life they focus on the QB walk out for more than just the first drive, I'd like to see that added as well. Not to mention the glitch where if you throw a pic or turn the ball over on the opening drive it just goes straight to the opposing QB's run out. No talk of the turnover or anything. Or sometimes they don't show the run out until the second drive.

They're improving but even on their improvements it just comes off half done.

agree completely. variety is null and void. Not to mention they have really failed to enhance any real time presentation type of experience.

I sent an email to clint a few weeks ago.. basically just rattling off countless ideas ive had for presentation for years.
I just think they don't think of little things that could truly enhance the experience.

take this for example.

you call a timeout while on offense.
Instead of just cutting to a cut scene... It cuts to a broadcast angle and shows the qb burning the TO in real time as he walks over to the sideline disgruntled.. unbuckling his helmet.

small little thing but its things like this that would build on the presentation.
NHL 15 did this well with utilizing the broadcast camera... before faceoffs and during breaks in play.. they would cut to the broadcast angle. With their nbc integration.. it literally looked like it was on tv

[SageInfinite]

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I'm going to assume no. Here is my theory:

The Madden team doesnt like penalties. Clint said as much last year on Twitter. Thats why the game is pretty much devoid of them with the exception of offsides/false start even with the sliders maxed out.

The problem is they have this new WR/DB dynamic and the DB's have a choice now to go for play ball or hit receiver coverage. Now we all know that if PI stayed the same as last year, people will cheese the hell out of hit receiver and the game would pretty much become NFL Blitz. So they need PI penalties to combat the cheese.

If the Madden team wanted realistic penalties, we wouldve seen new holding and clipping animations last year when the focus was on OL/DL line play. Its a shame that the penalty that occurs the most in real football (holding) rarely appears in Madden 15.

I agree. I just asked the question for ****s and giggles. I knew the answer already, lol.

That's where the problem with this dev team comes in for me. Just keep it a buck. We know you're not going all out trying to make a "sim"(another word which I think should have a ban on OS, lol) football game. Anybody who has been paying attention knows this. Just stop preaching it. You won't give people the ammo to say "They lied" or "They're liars". I would respect them more if they just said "Hey we're continuing to make the game that Madden has been and will always be." The game we end up playing is a clear contradiction of this "sim" message.

[KG]

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It would be interesting to see if a "grab" button is included on defense which risked drawing a defensive holding flag if he abused it too much with one player (perhaps dependent on AWR / MCV / ZCV ratings as well)

Adding a gameplay mechanic around it which users may interact with is about the only way I see any new / currently-infrequently-called penalties getting in right now.

Grabbing/PI should really be factored into their Awareness/Coverage ratings. I mean, there are tangible stats out there where they can grab what DBs have the highest % of PI, etc...

The "grab" button would be good. FIFA has had it for the last 2 years and it works as intended, although fouls aren't called as much as they should (it's almost an automatic yellow card if you grab anyone while they are running in front of you).

[howboutdat]

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I agree. I just asked the question for ****s and giggles. I knew the answer already, lol.

That's where the problem with this dev team comes in for me. Just keep it a buck. We know you're not going all out trying to make a "sim"(another word which I think should have a ban on OS, lol) football game. Anybody who has been paying attention knows this. Just stop preaching it. You won't give people the ammo to say "They lied" or "They're liars". I would respect them more if they just said "Hey we're continuing to make the game that Madden has been and will always be." The game we end up playing is a clear contradiction of this "sim" message.

#NAILEDIT Ea just need to stop the bs and be honest.I can have alot more respect for that over hearing one thing and getting something else ...

[NDAlum]

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Just give up "tourney" and "sim" mode.

All you online guys that don't want botched snaps, missed FG's, fumbles, penalties, off target passes...go ahead and have your tourney mode. Have a field day.

Let the sim crowd get all the little details you see on Sunday's...and Thursday's/Monday's/Saturday's

[SageInfinite]

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take this for example.

you call a timeout while on offense.
Instead of just cutting to a cut scene... It cuts to a broadcast angle and shows the qb burning the TO in real time as he walks over to the sideline disgruntled.. unbuckling his helmet.

small little thing but its things like this that would build on the presentation.
NHL 15 did this well with utilizing the broadcast camera... before faceoffs and during breaks in play.. they would cut to the broadcast angle. With their nbc integration.. it literally looked like it was on tv

Would love something like this. It's just they take a step and leave it like "Welp it's in the game now, that's good enough". Like they removed the broadcast field goal cam. They removed the broadcast kick off cams. The preplay cams from Madden 12, gone. Never improved the broadcast cams and actually took steps back. The presentation has never hit it's stride with Madden.

They have all the resources right there, they just have to take advantage of them, they just don't for some reason.

[KringKong556]

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There are a ton of new zone chuck, press interactions and an entirely new 'hand fighting' system. We've added a ton of new content for featuring contact between receivers and defenders before the ball is in the air, while the ball is in the air and during the catch.

Rex, any info on when we can expect a deep dive into the CFM mode? I hope there were some changes and some attention made to the mode, confidence being a main focus point I'm hoping for.

[JetLife6]

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Would love something like this. It's just they take a step and leave it like "Welp it's in the game now, that's good enough". Like they removed the broadcast field goal cam. They removed the broadcast kick off cams. The preplay cams from Madden 12, gone. Never improved the broadcast cams and actually took steps back. The presentation has never hit it's stride with Madden.

They have all the resources right there, they just have to take advantage of them, they just don't for some reason.

it truly is baffling... the cameras from 12 being gone really makes no sense to me.

They seem to start new on presentation every couple of years rather than continually build.And even when they start new.. they go in the wrong direction.
Like why not keep some of the team specific intros from a few years ago?
Why not keep the CBS style 3d models of the players from 25?

It should be a constant growing portfolio of presentation features. So that each time you play the game.. the intros can be different and random. That is never the case.

[SageInfinite]

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it truly is baffling... the cameras from 12 being gone really makes no sense to me.

They seem to start new on presentation every couple of years rather than continually build.And even when they start new.. they go in the wrong direction.
Like why not keep some of the team specific intros from a few years ago?
Why not keep the CBS style 3d models of the players from 25?

It should be a constant growing portfolio of presentation features. So that each time you play the game.. the intros can be different and random. That is never the case.

That seems to be the process with everything in this game. Add something, leave it untouched for a few years. Slowly remove it, reintroduce it still leaving things out and repeat, lol.

[SunTunic]

The background looks the same as Madden 15...They need some realism coming from the fans...

[JetLife6]

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That seems to be the process with everything in this game. Add something, leave it untouched for a few years. Slowly remove it, reintroduce it still leaving things out and repeat, lol.

yep. its depressing.

Total control passing in 13 was pretty cool for 1 reason.. the medium pass. Loved having that little touch pass over the linebackers. Than in 25 and 15... i noticed that ball trajectories were either bullets or lobs.. very strange. So I ask clint about it on twitter.. and he says he doesn't think it was removed but he can check it out for me. I never heard back.

Cut to yesterday: Madden 16 Total control passing... with the new 'TOUCH PASS'

you can't make this stuff up.

[aholbert32]

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I understand that things are introduced.. but they are never built on. Like for instance the QB intros.... they are literally the same thing every time. Either talking to the coach or kneeling down on their knees. They run out awkwardly.. and do that weird clap as they address the huddle.

Improved replays I think is a big time myth. There is nothing in maddens replay system that replicates what we see on tv. We are never shown a play replayed in a broadcast or all 22 type camera to see the play develop. Once a game I will have a close up replay where it is literally the orange of the line of scrimmage marker because a camera was placed poorly by the development team.

Commercial breaks with 2 helmets placed randomly on the field.
Halftime show with ridiculously clumsy commentary and unrealistic replays..

If you can't feel the immense difference in gameplay and presentation experience with nba 2k (and mlb the show) vs how madden feels... then I guess we just have a completely different understanding and perspective on sports video games. (and if so that is fine.. i am just stating my opinion.)

I never said that NBA 2k or the Show isnt immersive or more immersive than Madden. I just think its clear that you guys give those games more of pass than Madden.

NBA 2k has three intros to their games and only one of them is new (the starting lineups). The show has had the same intros for the past few years. They only thing they've added in the past few years is the split screen batter pitcher view.

I get that you dont like the additions and think it could be done better. I just think they should be viewed under the same lens and Madden shouldnt be penalized for lack of additions when other games arent either.

[JetLife6]

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I never said that NBA 2k or the Show isnt immersive or more immersive than Madden. I just think its clear that you guys give those games more of pass than Madden.

NBA 2k has three intros to their games and only one of them is new (the starting lineups). The show has had the same intros for the past few years. They only thing they've added in the past few years is the split screen batter pitcher view.

I get that you dont like the additions and think it could be done better. I just think they should be viewed under the same lens and Madden shouldnt be penalized for lack of additions when other games arent either.

I understand what you are saying. And I agree. It should be all seen through the same lens.

I think it is because Madden's presentation experience is still very 'video game' as opposed to nba and mlb. They may not add new stuff every year.. but they have been adding the RIGHT stuff. The presentation elements they have in their games are still very solid and life-like.

[SageInfinite]

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I never said that NBA 2k or the Show isnt immersive or more immersive than Madden. I just think its clear that you guys give those games more of pass than Madden.

NBA 2k has three intros to their games and only one of them is new (the starting lineups). The show has had the same intros for the past few years. They only thing they've added in the past few years is the split screen batter pitcher view.

I get that you dont like the additions and think it could be done better. I just think they should be viewed under the same lens and Madden shouldnt be penalized for lack of additions when other games arent either.

You don't think those games have earned a bit of leniency with their consistent performance amongst "us" "sim" guys? I agree about the 2k intros, but they also added Shaq and Earnie and I'm still hearing new intros for those. Also alot of the guys over here don't venture over to the 2k forum to see the walls of complaints, lol.

Personally I think Madden did a good job with the intros to the game last year. They certainly looked and sounded like something I'd see on gameday/night.

I just think Madden hasn't yet earned that "benefit of the doubt" that the other sports games have with me. There are things I wish 2k would change or update(more authentic broadcast arena cams is one in particular), but the game has so much other stuff that I enjoy that they earned passes. Same with The Show.

I would love for Madden to earn a pass. Usually when they do earn a pass, they slap me in the face the next year(Madden 10 then 11, Madden 12 then 13, neither games were stellar, but they made me anticipate the next game).

[Junior Moe]

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Thats clear bias. I play 2k daily. The pre game show has Ernie Johnson saying "Welcome to the NBA on 2k sports". They have commercials when playing season mode that promote upcoming games on 2k Sports. The replay wipes say 2k sports. The scoreboard says 2k sports. They arent more sly.

None of us are privy to the NFL network/CBS deal so we have no idea if they extend to video games. I would assume that they dont but none of know if thats an option.

The thing is EA Sports' other games (Live & NHL) have authentic broadcast packages, and they are actually well done! It adds a new, albeit superficial, element to the games. It's weird to see EA's flagship franchise and the most popular sport in North America not get the same treatment. I'm in the same boat with 2K and TNT. It just adds something new.