Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Personally, I feel like this is all part of a healthy discussion. If the devs come on here and read all this, that's great! This is nothing different from what I would say to any of them in person. That is just the type of person I am. I stick to my guns on certain things. Other things I can let go. I pick my battles...carefully.

The failure to reach an agreement with EA in 2011 didn't stop me from continuing my website then, and it wouldn't now. So to me, I may as well just be myself, say what I believe to be correct, and see if they buy in. I would hold no ill will toward EA if it doesn't work out. It won't stop me from doing my thing, and it won't stop them from doing theirs.

The only reason I would do anything is to make the game better. If they aren't interested, that's fine, but then at least I know where they stand, much like in 2011. They don't need to use my stuff to make this game better, but it might help. Nobody knows for sure.

I can respect that. I'm the same way in my business in certain issues that I believe strongly in. I guess the thing here is you don't really care either way as your still going to keep on trucking and for that I'm thankful because whether you get hired or not I'll be inputting your ratings in again for 16 which ultimately is all I care about so glad your going no where regardless. It would just be nice if I didn't have to waste 100-200 hours of my life entering all your ratings to get the game to play the way it should be shipped! Lol

[Playmakers]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Reading thru all these pages it's just sad that Madden will not give the users want they want!!!

I mean we have alot of great input on this site why not utilize some of these ideas it to make the game even better?

I just don't know

I agree 100%

To be honest with you I haven't played a single EA sports game over the last 8-10 years in any season or dynasty mode using default rosters.

The minute i get any of their games i go straight to editing players which is why I never really bother complaining about players or teams overall ratings when they are posted on here at OS.

I'm not going to use those rosters anyway whether it's Madden, NCAA or NBA Live.

I understand why some people go crazy over the ratings but at the end of the day more often than not you usually have the oppurtunity to change the ratings to what ever you like....

If you disagreed with Donny's method over the years you could have just rolled up your sleeves and changed it yourself or waited for someone else to post edited rosters and just grabbed them.....

I wish Donny good luck and who ever takes over the job next....chances are we will still disagree with the new guy in charge becuase ratings are always subjective to someone's opinion

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

I agree 100%

To be honest with you I haven't played a single EA sports game over the last 8-10 years in any season or dynasty mode using default rosters.

The minute i get any of their games i go straight to editing players which is why I never really bother complaining about players or teams overall ratings when they are posted on here at OS.

I'm not going to use those rosters anyway whether it's Madden, NCAA or NBA Live.

I understand why some people go crazy over the ratings but at the end of the day more often than not you usually have the oppurtunity to change the ratings to what ever you like....

If you disagreed with Donny's method over the years you could have just rolled up your sleeves and changed it yourself or waited for someone else to post edited rosters and just grabbed them.....

I wish Donny good luck and who ever takes over the job next....chances are we will still disagree with the new guy in charge becuase ratings are always subjective to someone's opinion

1st off I always enjoyed your edited rosters in years past they were truly amazing to play with. You truly knew how to manipulate the games ratings to get players to feel like who they were and you could see a difference between individual players.

The thing is how can you disagree with ratings that are data driven such as speed, acceleration, agility, strength, etc...? It's the subjective ratings like awareness, route running, man coverage, zone coverage, tackling, hit power, route running, pursuit, etc that obviously become where you could obviously disagree on. But how many times have we heard speed is the only rating that matters and is usually what most people look at besides overalls. That can be eliminated by using data and 40 times. Don't like your speed rating? Well go run a better 40 then.

You know ratings and how they effect the game better than anyone here IMO so would you agree or disagree that the effects of just having accurate and spread out ratings off real data in areas of speed, strength, agility, acceleration, and footwork alone would be a game changer in itself? All areas that wouldn't need to be edited by you or anyone else as you knew it was accurate and scaled properly.

[jpdavis82]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

I wonder how this will affect scouting and the combine results and all of that. This could drastically change things for CFM scouting.

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Not sure how this will turn out but whether they stay the course or try to make a significant overhaul I don't think it will really matter. There are far bigger issues that no matter how players are rated won't change anything. Changing the ratings isn't going to magically make QB's inaccurate or any player in the game be able to cover a corner route. Greater differentiation in ratings is can be great but only if it's actually represented on the field and at this point I don't think there is enough ratings that properly do that or do it well enough that a drastic overhaul in ratings would create much of a significant difference.

I also worry about how much a significant overhaul would affect CFM and thinking about the amount of things that it would break and force to be redone for a mode already missing so much but that's besides the point.

[Playmakers]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

1st off I always enjoyed your edited rosters in years past they were truly amazing to play with. You truly knew how to manipulate the games ratings to get players to feel like who they were and you could see a difference between individual players.

The thing is how can you disagree with ratings that are data driven such as speed, acceleration, agility, strength, etc...? It's the subjective ratings like awareness, route running, man coverage, zone coverage, tackling, hit power, route running, pursuit, etc that obviously become where you could obviously disagree on. But how many times have we heard speed is the only rating that matters and is usually what most people look at besides overalls. That can be eliminated by using data and 40 times. Don't like your speed rating? Well go run a better 40 then.

You know ratings and how they effect the game better than anyone here IMO so would you agree or disagree that the effects of just having accurate and spread out ratings off real data in areas of speed, strength, agility, acceleration, and footwork alone would be a game changer in itself? All areas that wouldn't need to be edited by you or anyone else as you knew it was accurate and scaled properly.

Hey trust me i would absolutely love to have a game that used true data for those ratings right out of the box.....and your right i wouldn't change a thing if that was the case.

But in most sports games (EA) i don't feel as if that data is being utilized to determine ratings.

When i say i would still edit the ratings even if EA hired a new guy to do ratings that is because I don't believe EA would ever go that direction with Madden where Ratings are based on True DATA!!!!

[StefJoeHalt]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Not sure how this will turn out but whether they stay the course or try to make a significant overhaul I don't think it will really matter. There are far bigger issues that no matter how players are rated won't change anything. Changing the ratings isn't going to magically make QB's inaccurate or any player in the game be able to cover a corner route. Greater differentiation in ratings is can be great but only if it's actually represented on the field and at this point I don't think there is enough ratings that properly do that or do it well enough that a drastic overhaul in ratings would create much of a significant difference.



I also worry about how much a significant overhaul would affect CFM and thinking about the amount of things that it would break and force to be redone for a mode already missing so much but that's besides the point.

DD I respect and agree with most of what u write but not this...QB inaccurate is right in front of our/everyone's face..the ratings should (for accuracy) more reflect QB completion %..example 70% = 70 not 70% = 99 completion %..corner route by design are one if not the most difficult routes to cover....problem in madden is corner routes are to easy for QB to complete...


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[SolidSquid]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

I wonder how this will affect scouting and the combine results and all of that. This could drastically change things for CFM scouting.

How so? You'd still be scouting ratings

[fballturkey]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Did Donny have anything to do with how rookies got generated in CCM or was he just in charge of setting the ratings for current players?

[ggsimmonds]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Did Donny have anything to do with how rookies got generated in CCM or was he just in charge of setting the ratings for current players?

Perhaps indirectly.

I do not know how the ratings dynamic works for the development team, but lets assume Donny rated players based on what he thought they should be (lets ignore the marketing aspect for now) and that alone. The CFM team then has to balance rookies towards the scale Donny made with the current roster.

The more likely scenario is that there is teamwork between each aspect of the game. Donny works with the gameplay guys to nail down the rating thresholds and the relationship with ratings and animations, those two then work with the CFM guys to make sure it transitions smoothly.
Imagine if Donny changes the rating distribution and does not work with the other guys; it would be a disaster. For example, right now a CB with MCV of 80> is terrible. I think that is too high. So imagine Donny decides that from now on the average should be 70 but the gameplay guys don't update the code. Wanna guess what the result would be?

(I use the term work with very loosely here)

[Hooe]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Perhaps indirectly.

I do not know how the ratings dynamic works for the development team, but lets assume Donny rated players based on what he thought they should be (lets ignore the marketing aspect for now) and that alone. The CFM team then has to balance rookies towards the scale Donny made with the current roster.

The more likely scenario is that there is teamwork between each aspect of the game. Donny works with the gameplay guys to nail down the rating thresholds and the relationship with ratings and animations, those two then work with the CFM guys to make sure it transitions smoothly.
Imagine if Donny changes the rating distribution and does not work with the other guys; it would be a disaster. For example, right now a CB with MCV of 80> is terrible. I think that is too high. So imagine Donny decides that from now on the average should be 70 but the gameplay guys don't update the code. Wanna guess what the result would be?

(I use the term work with very loosely here)

OT, but I looked it up and did the math for funsies - the average CB on the default roster of Madden NFL 15 has a MCV rating of 79 and a ZCV rating of 80.

On the substance of your post, I agree wholeheartedly. Whoever ends up doing the ratings is going to have to work with the CFM team to make sure that the balance multiple seasons into the mode doesn't get out of whack.

[msdm27]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

DD I respect and agree with most of what u write but not this...QB inaccurate is right in front of our/everyone's face..the ratings should (for accuracy) more reflect QB completion %..example 70% = 70 not 70% = 99 completion %..corner route by design are one if not the most difficult routes to cover....problem in madden is corner routes are to easy for QB to complete...



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In my opinion your comment about the qb accuracy rating is wrong. Accuracy should not be reflective of completion %, the ratio in which a qb completes his passes is affected by way more things than just his general accuracy.

[StefJoeHalt]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

In my opinion your comment about the qb accuracy rating is wrong. Accuracy should not be reflective of completion %, the ratio in which a qb completes his passes is affected by way more things than just his general accuracy.

I agree with u completion is effected by more then one thing..however I believe in simple terms this is how it is programmed..it's been posted here before, a few years ago one of the Dev's even said as much in a blog or post..there is a link..let me try and find it..but IMO that is part of the accuracy issue..they reverted back to normal 0-100 scale..but when it should be more related to each QB %..should there be a better system Yes I agree


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[ggsimmonds]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

I agree with u completion is effected by more then one thing..however I believe in simple terms this is how it is programmed..it's been posted here before, a few years ago one of the Dev's even said as much in a blog or post..there is a link..let me try and find it..but IMO that is part of the accuracy issue..they reverted back to normal 0-100 scale..but when it should be more related to each QB %..should there be a better system Yes I agree


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I remember the blog you are talking about. It was a ratings reveal and it was in regards to Aaron Rodgers deep accuracy. The line was something like "He has a deep accuracy of 92. So 92% of his deep passes are on point!"

I think they simplified the description a bit. I think that under ideal circumstances he is on point 92% of the time.

[msdm27]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

I remember the blog you are talking about. It was a ratings reveal and it was in regards to Aaron Rodgers deep accuracy. The line was something like "He has a deep accuracy of 92. So 92% of his deep passes are on point!"

I think they simplified the description a bit. I think that under ideal circumstances he is on point 92% of the time.

And that's ok.... 92% of passes being on point does not mean 92% of passes are completed.