Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

[jerwoods]

dan i hope u get this u do great work if EA is reading this i might as well explain what i would do and how it could heip

its called Liquid ratings kinda like NCAA 05 and NFL Head coach

here is the Pats
under my system

QB T Brady 95-99 95 is the Low rating while 99 is the peak rating
Jimmy G 67-80 younger players have a higher ceiling

RB Blount 73-77 Cadet 70-75 J White 68-78 Gray 70-76 Bolden 71-74 Gaffney 67-73
FB Devlin 74-79
WR Edelman 86-96 LaFell 79-84 Danny A 75-80 Tyms 69-73 Slater 66-77 Boyce 59-68 Dobson 60-73 Brandon Gibson 74-78
TE Gronk 94-99 Chandler 78-83 Hoom 72-75 Derby 67-70 Bequette 50-65 at TE as DE 57-63
LT Solder 87-92 Cannon 70-76
LG T Jackson 64-74 Devey 68-72 Barker 61-69
C Stork 84-95 Mason 65-71
RG Wendell 66-73 Kilne 67-71
RT Vollmer 86-93 Flemming 68-73 Hup 60-65

LE Nink 82-87 Flowers 68-75
RE Jones 81-91 Moore 67-74 Gissom 66-76
DT Branch 75-79 Sliga 72-80 Brown 70-84 Shead 76-83 easely 69-79 vellano 70-74 Johnson 65-71
Lolb Collins 85-95 freeney 68-74 fleming 70-73
MLB mayo 83-88 Flecher 66-72 Marin 65-69
ROLB Hightower 84-89 waton 70-73 white 67-72
CB Ryan 75-82 Butler 76-85 Mccain 77-81 Swanson 62-68 RCB Green 70-75 Fletcher 66-74 Cox 69-73 Robets 65-74
FS Mccouty 86-92 wilson 67-73 Harmon 69-74
SS Chung 71-76 ebner 66-72 Richards 68-77
K gostkowski 88-97
P Allen 70-80

[sphinxnole]

Jerwoods,
I Like That Idea Also...
U Can Account 4 Subpar Days, & Everything in Between All the
Way Up 2 Spectacular Days..
Then Consistency, & Confidence Could Also Factor in Creating Better &
More Diverse Gameplay...

[msdm27]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Jerwoods,
I Like That Idea Also...
U Can Account 4 Subpar Days, & Everything in Between All the
Way Up 2 Spectacular Days..
Then Consistency, & Confidence Could Also Factor in Creating Better &
More Diverse Gameplay...

The sad part is: That was probably the idea behind Dynamic Player Performance (DPP)... to account for the variance in level of play by different players.

Needless to say, it didn't quite work optimally.... but it would have been so cool if DPP was expanded upon instead of just being forgotten.

- Give each player a range in which their ratings fluctuate from week to week.

- Give each player a consistency/confidence rating that dictates (along with a randomized algorythm) how often and how much ratings change.

BOOOOOOM! Gameplay woulde've changed forever... Hopefully they get back to it at some point.

EDIT: This same "performance range" system for ratings could also be used to handle regression.... the older you get, maybe the broader the fluctuation range for your performance gets.

[crenk]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

The sad part is: That was probably the idea behind Dynamic Player Performance (DPP)... to account for the variance in level of play by different players.

Needless to say, it didn't quite work optimally.... but it would have been so cool if DPP was expanded upon instead of just being forgotten.

- Give each player a range in which their ratings fluctuate from week to week.

- Give each player a consistency/confidence rating that dictates (along with a randomized algorythm) how often and how much ratings change.

BOOOOOOM! Gameplay woulde've changed forever... Hopefully they get back to it at some point.

EDIT: This same "performance range" system for ratings could also be used to handle regression.... the older you get, maybe the broader the fluctuation range for your performance gets.

I love it. It could simulate a Kurt Warner like Cardinals comeback season of a few years back or a former elite player showing flashes of his old self while not being able to string them together over a season. It would really give more "personality" to the players and differentiation. Great idea....

[jpdavis82]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Dan,
We should be finding something out tomorrow right? I'm looking forward to what they have to say and how willing they are to work with you.

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Dan,
We should be finding something out tomorrow right? I'm looking forward to what they have to say and how willing they are to work with you.

Yup. I have a call tomorrow with Rex at 3:30pm CST. Should have an idea what it is they are looking for sometime after that.

[CaseIH]

Personally I always thought Madden ratings were done much better than that incompetent fool NBA2k had doing there ratings up until they made the change on the PS4. Now I got smart and quit buying Madden every year due to the game being poorly done, but when I did bite and buy Madden the ratings as a whole were solid. Obviously there will always be a difference in opinion with ratings no matter what but Donnie did a solid job. Only real grip I ever had was they had weak arm QB's like Mark Sanchez, etc that seem to have bullet arms in the game which always turned me off.

[jpdavis82]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Yup. I have a call tomorrow with Rex at 3:30pm CST. Should have an idea what it is they are looking for sometime after that.

Are you going to be open minded to what he has to say or do you feel like you have a way of doing things that you don't want to budge on? One thing I'd like to see is have the ratings fluctuate under the hood so there's dynamic performance happening each week but people won't really know about it. This would have to be tied to consistency.

[GiantBlue76]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Are you going to be open minded to what he has to say or do you feel like you have a way of doing things that you don't want to budge on? One thing I'd like to see is have the ratings fluctuate under the hood so there's dynamic performance happening each week but people won't really know about it. This would have to be tied to consistency.

It depends on what those ratings are. Certain physical attributes should not be fluctuating. I'd even argue that certain skills shouldn't either. Just because a guy has a bad game, doesn't mean he is less of an athlete the next week.

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Are you going to be open minded to what he has to say or do you feel like you have a way of doing things that you don't want to budge on? One thing I'd like to see is have the ratings fluctuate under the hood so there's dynamic performance happening each week but people won't really know about it. This would have to be tied to consistency.

I always go into these things with an open mind, but I think they should also consider what I can bring to the table. I have played, scouted, and coached the game at various levels, so I think it gives me a bit of a different perspective than someone coming from a spectator's stance.

I have to find out exactly what they want first, and until I find out, it is hard for me to speculate.

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

It depends on what those ratings are. Certain physical attributes should not be fluctuating. I'd even argue that certain skills shouldn't either. Just because a guy has a bad game, doesn't mean he is less of an athlete the next week.

I would be more a fan of doing the ratings updates every month instead of every week because you need more time to determine when the changes occur. I said before in some other threads that the grades usually only change when the scouts see enough evidence to change them. That process is a bit more fluid in real life, but it often never changes week to week. The tightest window I see regularly is monthly. Some guys can go an entire season without needing to have a grade change because they are so consistent at whatever level they are playing at. It really is astonishing stuff that should be in the game.

[CaseIH]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

I love it. It could simulate a Kurt Warner like Cardinals comeback season of a few years back or a former elite player showing flashes of his old self while not being able to string them together over a season. It would really give more "personality" to the players and differentiation. Great idea....

I really like that idea, as you see it quite often a player stays around just a little too long, and while he has flashes of his old self he cant do it every week like he use too. I grew up idolizing Dan Marino and that last yr he played was like that, where once a few weeks you would see flashes of greatness, but he wasn't able to do it each week. Sadly Im afraid we might me seeing this with Peyton Manning, where he will start to looking average a awful lot. Obviously its easier for a QB now days to play later in his career due to rule changes where you cant hit them or lock down WR, but still there comes a point when those legs cant avoid any type of rush.

[jerwoods]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

thanks for liking my Liquid ratings

now here is Jax to show the diff between good and bad teams

and if i was in change i would allow to start a franchise with the low end of the rating or the peak end and this is for offline only

Jax
QB Bortles 66-81 Henne 68-72 Morris 53-60 tuel 57-63
RB Yeldon 70-79 gethart 65-74 Robinson 69-76 pierce 61-68 johnson 64-70
fb Koyack 54-59
WR Lee 72-80 robinson 71-77 blackmon 66-78 hurns 68-79 walters 65-71 sanders 67-74 greene 66-76 doss 58-64
TE J Thomas 82-93 Lewis 70-80 Harbor 64-73 jacobs 61-66
LT Jockel 70-87 young 65-71 williams 60-69
LG Bendles 80-86 cann 64-77
C Bowako 66-73 winisewski 75-88
RG Lindser 69-77 shatley 62-68
RT Parnell 74-83 panzor 66-71 wells 64-69

LE alaualu 70-74 branch 67-75 ike 58-65
RE Clemons 74-82 davis 65-71 smith 69-74
DT Marks 85-95 odrick 78-86 hood 67-73 jones 69-75 miller 70-73 bennett 63-77
LB skula 68-74 reyonlds 66-72 fortt 65-73
MLB Poslusky 81-89 george 59-65
LB smith 67-80 lotulet 60-66
LCB Mccray 66-75 colvin 69-77 harris 68-74 thompson 61-69
RCB Gratz 69-80 campbell 67-73 reynolds 62-70 marshall 54-67
House 76-90
FS brown 72-77 evans 68-74
SS Cyprien 73-86 samele 58-68 lotlon 65-69 danels 63-70

K Scobee 87-96
P Anger 71-79

[ThatMichiganFan]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

thanks for liking my Liquid ratings

now here is Jax to show the diff between good and bad teams

and if i was in change i would allow to start a franchise with the low end of the rating or the peak end and this is for offline only

Jax
QB Bortles 66-81 Henne 68-72 Morris 53-60 tuel 57-63
RB Yeldon 70-79 gethart 65-74 Robinson 69-76 pierce 61-68 johnson 64-70
fb Koyack 54-59
WR Lee 72-80 robinson 71-77 blackmon 66-78 hurns 68-79 walters 65-71 sanders 67-74 greene 66-76 doss 58-64
TE J Thomas 82-93 Lewis 70-80 Harbor 64-73 jacobs 61-66
LT Jockel 70-87 young 65-71 williams 60-69
LG Bendles 80-86 cann 64-77
C Bowako 66-73 winisewski 75-88
RG Lindser 69-77 shatley 62-68
RT Parnell 74-83 panzor 66-71 wells 64-69

LE alaualu 70-74 branch 67-75 ike 58-65
RE Clemons 74-82 davis 65-71 smith 69-74
DT Marks 85-95 odrick 78-86 hood 67-73 jones 69-75 miller 70-73 bennett 63-77
LB skula 68-74 reyonlds 66-72 fortt 65-73
MLB Poslusky 81-89 george 59-65
LB smith 67-80 lotulet 60-66
LCB Mccray 66-75 colvin 69-77 harris 68-74 thompson 61-69
RCB Gratz 69-80 campbell 67-73 reynolds 62-70 marshall 54-67
House 76-90
FS brown 72-77 evans 68-74
SS Cyprien 73-86 samele 58-68 lotlon 65-69 danels 63-70

K Scobee 87-96
P Anger 71-79

I like this, but I think there should be a smaller deviation than what you are suggesting, perhaps only ± 3

[jpdavis82]

Re: Donny Moore, the 'Madden Ratings Czar', Leaving EA

Dan,
Do you know if you'll be able to have any say about the progression system as part of working on the ratings, if you are asked to do so? I'm not sure what the best solution would be, but I would like to see some type of progression system for CFM that is not focused solely around XP.