Is The New Aggressive Catch Overpowered? (Possible Tweak Coming In Tuning Update?)

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  • jfsolo
    Live Action, please?
    • May 2003
    • 12965

    #61
    Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

    Originally posted by The JareBear
    Oh damn.

    You're right.

    I apologize.

    I just asked the Recalibrate guy who is streaming right now, it took a few tries for him to see my question but he answered it.

    The indicators show no matter what, they are trying to tell you what type of catch the game wants you to make.

    I was wrong. Sorry about that.

    That's extremely disappointing.
    It's going to be tough for a lot of leagues, but it seems like you guys' crew are full of stand up guys, so maybe it will be alright.
    Jordan Mychal Lemos
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    Do the same thing tomorrow. And the next. Now do it forever.

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    • jfsolo
      Live Action, please?
      • May 2003
      • 12965

      #62
      Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

      Originally posted by BleedGreen710
      I swear jpdavis or someone told me there was an option to turn it off. i asked about it a long time ago. if thats true that u cant make the indicators go away it is extremely disapointing, yeah.
      It's not that you can't turn them off, it's just that if they're on, you can't determine if it's a User or the CPU triggering the type of catch being made. They're concerned about the User triggered catches creating a unfair advantage.
      Jordan Mychal Lemos
      @crypticjordan

      Do this today: Instead of $%*#!@& on a game you're not going to play or movie you're not going to watch, say something good about a piece of media you're excited about.

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      • The JareBear
        Be Good To One Another
        • Jul 2010
        • 11560

        #63
        Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

        Originally posted by jfsolo
        It's going to be tough for a lot of leagues, but it seems like you guys' crew are full of stand up guys, so maybe it will be alright.
        Yeah like Solo said, I was saying that if you leave the visual cues on you will know if someone is user catching even without switching because the indicator will pop up at the bottom if they press a button but nothing will show up if they don't

        That doesn't seem to be accurate. If you have the visual stuff set to ON (you CAN turn it off), the visual indicators pop up no matter what. No way to tell if it was CPU or user influencing.

        So for the strict no switch leagues....I dunno....we have to think of something I guess

        I feel like I just found out Santa isn't real....I don't want to be forced to switch to be competitive.....damn. I'm legitimately disappointed...oh well
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        • BleedGreen710
          Eagles Fan
          • Oct 2012
          • 4025

          #64
          Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

          oh ok i get it now. thanks for the quick explanation boys

          love this place

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          • TheBleedingRed21
            Game Dev
            • Oct 2010
            • 5071

            #65
            Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

            Originally posted by jfsolo
            It's going to be tough for a lot of leagues, but it seems like you guys' crew are full of stand up guys, so maybe it will be alright.
            I don't see anything wrong with manually choosing your catch honestly. The point of a no switch league is to avoid those who speed up the WR or zig zag with him, etc.

            The defender gets the choice to play ball or receiver as well, I think there will be a balance once the mass gets their hands on the game.

            If someone does nothing but aggressive catch, there will always be a way to deal with it in a sim league. I am a firm believer those that throw bombs and do nothing but aggressive catch will end up paying more than succeeding. All it takes is once interception to turn the game around big time.
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            • The JareBear
              Be Good To One Another
              • Jul 2010
              • 11560

              #66
              Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

              Originally posted by TheBleedingRed21
              I don't see anything wrong with manually choosing your catch honestly. The point of a no switch league is to avoid those who speed up the WR or zig zag with him, etc.

              The defender gets the choice to play ball or receiver as well, I think there will be a balance once the mass gets their hands on the game.

              If someone does nothing but aggressive catch, there will always be a way to deal with it in a sim league. I am a firm believer those that throw bombs and do nothing but aggressive catch will end up paying more than succeeding. All it takes is once interception to turn the game around big time.
              You'd have to switch to the DB to play man or play ball to counter the user offense input of catch attempt
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              • d11king
                MVP
                • Feb 2011
                • 2716

                #67
                Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

                I actually don't think it will be overpowered. Just cause the guy goes for an aggressive catch doesn't mean he'll catch it. I remember someone saying that it does have it's disadvantages and with the videos always being on Rookie so those bums feel better about their game (like whatever EA representative played that one game with his "star wideout" just lobbing 60 yard passes down the field).

                I think in a sim environment it will be okay, I think in a no switch league (which I highly recommend) it would be even better because the player will play to his attributes (which is why I really like no switch). Ill be using the Cowboys so I'm sure I'll be seeing Dez doing a lot of aggressive catches, even moreso on High passes. It will become a problem if Cole Beasley is taking the ball away from everybody, but I'm sure if he's aggressive catching over possession catching, then there will be a lot of tip drills. And I think that's how the game will unfold.

                Aggressive catches on deep one on one's with guys like Megatron, Dez and Julio Jones the Destroyer, should be the animation, and still doesn't guarantee a catch. Madden 15 we couldn't get Megatron to attack the ball like corners, and that's what I think aggressive catching is for; for that specific scenario. But aggressive catching with guys like Cole Beasley, Wes Welker and Tavon Austin; I wouldn't say should never work, but they should never work lol. They should either get smacked, or a tip drill. Plain and simple. And I think that's how I think it will ultimately play out.

                Unless you don't play sim because online will be filled with throwing the ball into traffic against 3 DB's, immediate switching, and attacking the ball and securing the catch. FIND YOUR NO SWITCH LEAGUES NOW!

                Or you can join ours and play real football.

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                • The JareBear
                  Be Good To One Another
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 11560

                  #68
                  Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

                  Originally posted by TheBleedingRed21

                  If someone does nothing but aggressive catch, there will always be a way to deal with it in a sim league. I am a firm believer those that throw bombs and do nothing but aggressive catch will end up paying more than succeeding. All it takes is once interception to turn the game around big time.
                  You're my boy TBR but have you seen this anywhere? I've seen a lot of the opposite.

                  That one INT won't make up for 4 TDs on bombs
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                  • SwaggerCoach
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 1342

                    #69
                    Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

                    Jare you could always just set a rule for the number of deep aggressive catches allowed per half OR the situations where it's allowed.

                    For example: only for 2 minute drill offense/end of game drives.

                    I'm sure you'll work something out. I mean - the point of playing sim is to kind of police each other by not taking advantage of game mechanics.

                    Playing against random kids online however...good luck!


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                    • redsox4evur
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jul 2013
                      • 18169

                      #70
                      Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

                      Originally posted by MoneyOvaHuds
                      Idk dez a monster
                      Like I said I think Dez could win a majority of 1 on 1 with NO safety help against any corner in the league.
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                      • The JareBear
                        Be Good To One Another
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 11560

                        #71
                        Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

                        Originally posted by SwaggerCoach
                        Jare you could always just set a rule for the number of deep aggressive catches allowed per half OR the situations where it's allowed.

                        For example: only for 2 minute drill offense/end of game drives.

                        I'm sure you'll work something out. I mean - the point of playing sim is to kind of police each other by not taking advantage of game mechanics.

                        Playing against random kids online however...good luck!


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                        Yeah man

                        At the end of the day I know everything will work out. I'm just really excited for the online CFM this year and am overthinking things.

                        Things will work out!
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                        • tae77
                          Rookie
                          • Mar 2015
                          • 17

                          #72
                          Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

                          Can't someone that already has the game just test the wr sliders now? It will save me time and money.. Not buy madden this year if all you gotta do is throw bombs all day to win and having top dB's is sherm,revised,ppete.. How the hell this wasn't fixed before shipping with months of testing is ridiculous! That is if it can't be fixed with sliders..

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                          • Ronnie brown23
                            Rookie
                            • Nov 2007
                            • 306

                            #73
                            Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

                            If aggressive catch success is tied to spectacular catch rating then yes, it will be overpowered. Just look at the spectacular catch ratings for all of the wrs. Even average wrs have spc ratings in the low 90s and high 80s

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                            • TheBleedingRed21
                              Game Dev
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 5071

                              #74
                              Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

                              Originally posted by The JareBear
                              You're my boy TBR but have you seen this anywhere? I've seen a lot of the opposite.

                              That one INT won't make up for 4 TDs on bombs
                              The aggressive catch isn't a one shot wonder. They go up and come down with it. It's not the same as throwing a deep ball and sprinting to the end zone.

                              Let's assume you get the ball at the 20. That wil take two deep balls to score. If that's all you try.. That's maybe 14 attempts.

                              If you complete 70% of those.. That's maybe 3 touchdowns assuming you complete more of the first shot down field from 20 instead of into the end zone.

                              You end up throwing 2-3 interceptions, I guarntee I would win vs you everytime. I just feel different about it, and I guess I've been in leagues where users don't win at any costs.

                              Also, I'm pretty sure if you can influence the catch type without switching on offense, it's the same on defense.
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                              • The JareBear
                                Be Good To One Another
                                • Jul 2010
                                • 11560

                                #75
                                Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

                                For what its worth

                                I watched a lot of that recal guys stream today, he was playing the CPU on all-madden. Aggressive catches seemed a little toned down at that level. There were some nice catches as well as some nice defensive plays. That's encouraging.
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