Madden 2016 team specific playbooks / everything playbooks

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Madden 2016 team specific playbooks / everything playbooks

I might throw up a few on PS4.

Not editing the scheme too much but I am eliminating the stupid cover 4 calls the CPU will make in short yardage situations.


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You can't eliminate that unfortunately as defense is different than offense. With defense you set plays to matchup with packages instead of down and distances. So unless you eliminated cover 4 all together no way to stop that. What you could do is eliminate cover 4 vs basic normal 2 wr packages.

[vannwolfhawk]

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In past iterations, the CPU ran a better gameplan when assigned the generic book that most closely mimics their IRL scheme...

As I recall, it has something to do with the plays being rated more appropriately...

Has anyone tried that in CFM with either one or two controllers?

Thanks!

That's what this thread is all about:-)

[KingV2k3]

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That's what this thread is all about:-)

Indeed:

I've tried to catch up on the thread, but it looked to me like you're editing the team specific playbooks...

In the past, you could use the generics WITHOUT having to edit them and got great run / pass splits and a more realistic gameplan for the CPU controlled team...

For example:

Instead of using the Team Specific book for SEA, you'd use "Run Heavy" when playing the CPU controlled Seahawks...

Just wondering if that's been tried and what the result was...

Here's an older thread from a previous iteration on that concept:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...fline-ccm.html

[booker21]

Re: Madden 2016 team specific playbooks / everything playbooks

Man i tried playing as with strategy plays only but it's unplayable. 10 straigh passes. I will use quick. Feels more realistic and perfectly balanced. One thing I notice is that you cant use the gameplan. The play calling doesn't take in consideration de game plan at all.

Here is a. Bengals screenshot. With more than half 4 star rated plays. When I play the game. The quick option show me no plays from here at all. Neither strategy neither community or frequent. I think this gameplan has been left out from the old gem plan play calling no idea if user can use it. At least I didn't find a way.


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[vannwolfhawk]

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Man i tried playing as with strategy plays only but it's unplayable. 10 straigh passes. I will use quick. Feels more realistic and perfectly balanced. One thing I notice is that you cant use the gameplan. The play calling doesn't take in consideration de game plan at all.

Here is a. Bengals screenshot. With more than half 4 star rated plays. When I play the game. The quick option show me no plays from here at all. Neither strategy neither community or frequent. I think this gameplan has been left out from the old gem plan play calling no idea if user can use it. At least I didn't find a way.


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Is that a user playbook? Looks like a CPU ea one the way stars are rated.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Madden 2016 team specific playbooks / everything playbooks

Indeed:

I've tried to catch up on the thread, but it looked to me like you're editing the team specific playbooks...

In the past, you could use the generics WITHOUT having to edit them and got great run / pass splits and a more realistic gameplan for the CPU controlled team...

For example:

Instead of using the Team Specific book for SEA, you'd use "Run Heavy" when playing the CPU controlled Seahawks...

Just wondering if that's been tried and what the result was...

Here's an older thread from a previous iteration on that concept:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...fline-ccm.html

I see what your saying. I have not tried or looked at those books at all. I'd assume the situational ratings would be the same though. I'm happy for the most part with the playbooks. They got a lot of real formations and te specific stuff in there. I personally care more about how they play rather than just the run pass ratio although that is huge to me as well but play variety is huge for me. I just get tired of playing against the same plays from CPU with every team. It gets so old and stale ya know. I just wish I could friggin upload for you guys to test bcus I am loving how CPU Seahawks play both offensively and defensively as well as the packers. I don't want to go any farther til I can upload.... Ugh

[iameich]

Re: Madden 2016 team specific playbooks / everything playbooks

Van I'm a fan of your work for 2k. Glad to see u using your genius for Madden.

Quick question, assuming u WILL be able to upload, r u planning on doing specific playbooks for EVERY NFL team?

I look forward to the Browns playbook when completed


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[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Madden 2016 team specific playbooks / everything playbooks

Van I'm a fan of your work for 2k. Glad to see u using your genius for Madden.

Quick question, assuming u WILL be able to upload, r u planning on doing specific playbooks for EVERY NFL team?

I look forward to the Browns playbook when completed


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Thanks man! My basketball knowledge far outweighs my football knowledge by a long shot no pun intended. But it's all about manipulating ai to play a certain way which is easy but time consuming.

But I started the thread so everyone could come together and help each other out. I was just planning on doing 8-12 teams max. But I'm also just taking my time. But this whole upload fiasco for me has been discouraging. Plus with all the nba2k news I have a feeling that game will be in my Xbox all year and never come out. Now that will be a project I probably tackle head on again but we will see after game comes out and testing. So to answer your question no I'll just be doing probably around 8 teams. As long as I can get the best 8 teams done and playing correctly for me I'm good along with downloading some other playbooks like aholbert32 who has done quite a few already.

[booker21]

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Is that a user playbook? Looks like a CPU ea one the way stars are rated.

It's the bengals playbook. But that wasn't my point. My point is that the user doesn't use gameplan when using the suggestion play calling. I'm not sure if the AI use it either. According to this the bengals runs more than 50% of the time on close formations. When I played they didn't.

I want to use the gameplan with the user team. I thought suggestions play calling was based on that. It is not.


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[SwaggerCoach]

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It's the bengals playbook. But that wasn't my point. My point is that the user doesn't use gameplan when using the suggestion play calling. I'm not sure if the AI use it either. According to this the bengals runs more than 50% of the time on close formations. When I played they didn't.

I want to use the gameplan with the user team. I thought suggestions play calling was based on that. It is not.


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I get what you're saying booker.

Obviously the "community" selections come from what other players are calling...but I have no idea where the "strategy" selections are coming from. I agree - they don't come from the situation ratings in the playbooks you're using.

They do however work for the CPU. Not perfectly - not quite as much variety as perhaps would be ideal...but we all agree were getting a vastly more complicated and diverse game from our AI opponents when we tweak the playbooks.


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[booker21]

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I get what you're saying booker.

Obviously the "community" selections come from what other players are calling...but I have no idea where the "strategy" selections are coming from. I agree - they don't come from the situation ratings in the playbooks you're using.

They do however work for the CPU. Not perfectly - not quite as much variety as perhaps would be ideal...but we all agree were getting a vastly more complicated and diverse game from our AI opponents when we tweak the playbooks.


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So from your experience the "my gameplan" it is use by the CPU teams to call the plays. But the user has no way to use "my gameplan". I guess EA stripped the my gameplan from the game and left it for the AI to use only. That's sucks. I want to still play like the teams even when I use it. I don't like calling my own plays because I tend to go with that plays that are not money but still feels has some more chances of being success. Oh well. I still have to find a way to do my own play calling more interested and even with the CPU teams.


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[KingV2k3]

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I see what your saying. I have not tried or looked at those books at all. I'd assume the situational ratings would be the same though. I'm happy for the most part with the playbooks. They got a lot of real formations and te specific stuff in there. I personally care more about how they play rather than just the run pass ratio although that is huge to me as well but play variety is huge for me. I just get tired of playing against the same plays from CPU with every team. It gets so old and stale ya know. I just wish I could friggin upload for you guys to test bcus I am loving how CPU Seahawks play both offensively and defensively as well as the packers. I don't want to go any farther til I can upload.... Ugh

The situationonal / star ratings are very different with the generics, which is why they might be worth taking a look at...

The playcalls are are combination of Coach Philosophy ratings (we can no longer see or control) and those are then filtered though the playbook you assign...

So, for example, you can play three different teams set to "pass balanced" and get three different gameplans called, because the books / playcalls are influenced by the team's coach...

Since few of the plays in the generics have "star" ratings (and those that do have next to none), the CPU tends to use the entire book and rely less on using the same plays over and over...

Those threads were originally developed because the game was generating unrealistic run / pass splits, but the "unintended secondary benefit" was better overall playcalling by the CPU...

Less reliance on "4 Verts" in 3rd and Long, etc...

[SwaggerCoach]

Re: Madden 2016 team specific playbooks / everything playbooks

Finished the rough draft of my Bucs playbook...played 1/2 of a test game as the Titans VS the Bucs during my lunch break.

While I have very little idea what kind of looks we'll see from TB this year (and won't until the season starts and I record a few games)...I feel good about this playbook so far.

They're mixing up run and pass nicely. Winston is definitely attacking short, middle, and deep with Evans and Jackson. He's favoring these 2 BIG time. I've been playing vanilla defense and he's attacking with intelligence. Glad to see I am able to "encourage" Winston to hit his top 2 targets. This is really good news.

Also had a SWEET user INT. The Titans corner played the man, popped the ball up into the air, and I sprinted over with the WLB and caught it!

Loving this game!!

When I get back later tonight I'll finish the test game and upload a good working version of the TB playbook on Madden share.

[aholbert32]

Re: Madden 2016 team specific playbooks / everything playbooks

The situationonal / star ratings are very different with the generics, which is why they might be worth taking a look at...

The playcalls are are combination of Coach Philosophy ratings (we can no longer see or control) and those are then filtered though the playbook you assign...

So, for example, you can play three different teams set to "pass balanced" and get three different gameplans called, because the books / playcalls are influenced by the team's coach...

Since few of the plays in the generics have "star" ratings (and those that do have next to none), the CPU tends to use the entire book and rely less on using the same plays over and over...

Those threads were originally developed because the game was generating unrealistic run / pass splits, but the "unintended secondary benefit" was better overall playcalling by the CPU...

Less reliance on "4 Verts" in 3rd and Long, etc...

The closer we get to starting my CFM, the more I'm leaning toward taking this approach. The generics have always given me decent CPU play calling in the past.

Whats frustrating is now I cant upload or download from either gamertag right now. I can create a playbook using once gamertag and cant transfer it to the other gamertag.

I'm also in the same position as Vann in that once NBA 2k16 comes out my focus will be on that game. ****, Fifa comes out in a week and that will take my focus too.

[thm305]

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Swagger, Im not 100% understanding your instructions and Im desperately trying to not have to buy another controller just to play the CPU lol. So i created a new PSN account and downloaded your playbooks from the community share. Went to play now and just switched profiles to set the playbook to play against NO. Game played great! They did not call the same play at all and had a balanced unpredictable attack. Problem is I don't know what you did to it, still has four verticals, what plays you added, how you changed the gameplan etc. so I don't know if it carried over into the game. Can you or anyone who has created a playbook try this method and see if it works as you know the plays you added.

Also i used 10 minute email to create the account so i won't get spammed. Just be sure to write down the fake email.