Retractable Roofs Open?

[Chiefsfan881129]

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BINGO! lol

That's a shame they had better get Dynamic Weather & Retractable Roofs in next year or they should just stop making Madden period

I love the series however I'm getting annoyed because #1 I want Madden to be as true to life as possible & Dynamic Weather & Retractable Roofs would get it even closer these need to be mandatory for Madden 19 as with Franchise Mode upgrades that adds assistant Coaches

These things need to be in next year updates to long shot can wait a year or 2 after this year & if those in EA Public Relations Don't like it they can either quit there job or let the devs do there job the right way

If Public Relations doesn't stop meddling in Rex & Them work then the people in Public Relations at EA responsible for longshot & that need to be fired

As adding in Dynamic Weather,Retractable Roofs,Assisstent Coaches & More Features & improvements to Franchise are far more important than longshot Public Relations needs to let Rex & his group get the game where it needs to be 1st before meddling in & forcing rex to add features like longshot once these things are added & the game is where it needs to be & Even Rex & Them are happy where it's at

That's when u add features like longshot not b4 so next year please if someone from EA PR reads these forums please as a long time Madden gamer please mind your own business & let Rex & his team get the game up to the standards it needs to be & where they want it before giving them petty little features like this

Rex & his team have done a Tremendous Job at getting Madden back on track to being a great fun enjoyable game & the future for Madden is very bright

If you guys in PR leave Rex & Them be so they can fulfill there vision & get Madden where it needs to be & all the very important features in like mentioned above then we can talk about adding things like Longshot

But please as a long time fan let these awesome devs who actually care do there jobs

Madden has so much potential under the watchful eye of rex & his team but not only are you guys not letting then reach that potential but your also delaying the potential for Madden to be best football game ever

Please let Rex & Them invest time & resources into the far more important things 1st then get to other stuff later

The stuff mentioned above is some of the more important stuff also add in a playable pro bowl with team specific helmets too things like this Dynamic Weather Retractable Roofs & Assisstent Coaches need to be mandatory & top priority for Madden 19


So as we the fans say

Let the devs invest time & resources in to getting the important stuff u see on Sundays in 1st such as Retracable Roofs Dynamic Weather and Assisstent Coaches playable pro bowl with team specific helmets a deeper more feature rich franchise mode & all the very importent things we see on sundays 1st & allow Rex & his team to fullfill therr destiny & vision of where they want madden to be if it takes 3 to 5 yrs to get it there fine but let them get it there 1st as delaying there vision for uneeded modes like longshot only sets them back even longer

So let them get it where they need it to be then give them stuff like Longshot but please let them finish there vision 1st not only for the better of Your company but for the Dev team The NFL The Teams it's players & most important it's die-hard fans like me

Thank you




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[Hooe]

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I am not a vid game developer, so I don't know truly how much it takes to add to their GUI or whatnot.

In my conversations with Tiburon people, UI is one of the biggest bottlenecks for new features in the game, especially franchise. Madden is unfortunately locked into using an older UI middleware solution and upgrading from that to a more modern middleware would require basically an entire cycle with no other game additions or changes.

[OhMrHanky]

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In my conversations with Tiburon people, UI is one of the biggest bottlenecks for new features in the game, especially franchise. Madden is unfortunately locked into using an older UI middleware solution and upgrading from that to a more modern middleware would require basically an entire cycle with no other game additions or changes.

That amazes me. I don't doubt it, but it still amazes. And, I know I'm coming from an extremely rudimentary perspective, here. But, u look at something like HTML, u know? U add a box, here, u add to a table, there, u add the items, boom, you're done. And, while that may be unbelievably simplistic code compared to madden GUI, they still should've designed it in a similar fashion, in terms of simply adding 1 block, 2 blocks, 3 blocks, etc. Or, their middleware should allow for that.

At some point in any code, there has to be repetition. Each one of those boxes should be repeatable. So, u should be able to create a new one easy enough (possibly copy/paste, even, lol) and then u just update the contents of the new 'box'. And, as I've said, then u make sure you're adding the extra information to the 'loading script' so that it understands it has a new information item, and u have to update the 'startup CFM game' script or something to also incorporate taking that new item.

It is what it is. One never knows until they see code for themselves, but, it is frustrating to think of such an otherwise trivial item would take too much time. And, legit, for me, I play with the Falcons, exclusively, so I really wanted to see the sunlight this year in the brand new stadium. Instead, I'm going to get the drab indoor lighting. ☹️


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[MelR2000]

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In my conversations with Tiburon people, UI is one of the biggest bottlenecks for new features in the game, especially franchise. Madden is unfortunately locked into using an older UI middleware solution and upgrading from that to a more modern middleware would require basically an entire cycle with no other game additions or changes.

So if your information is true, then all this "new" engine talk is great for lighting and such, but if I understand you correctly core code requirements for franchise are using old code due to either lack of planning and insight or as I have always believed is that franchise just isn't high on the priority list. Hence the need for an exclusive agreement.

[baconbits11]

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I don't know why this is so hard, after all, the biggest obstacle to getting this in game is something that's already done: open versions of the stadium in question. They are already listed and created - called Open and Closed!!!!????

[Hooe]

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So if your information is true, then all this "new" engine talk is great for lighting and such, but if I understand you correctly core code requirements for franchise

UI cuts across literally the entire game, not just franchise. If there's a new feature ask for MUT, it requires UI. If there's a new feature ask for something in-game, it probably requires UI for explainers on lower difficulty settings.

UI is ubiquitous.

are using old code due to either lack of planning and insight or as I have always believed is that franchise just isn't high on the priority list.

Or it could be the much more reasonable explanation that managing a game which is over ten million lines of code is a massive technical challenge.

Replacing any technology is going to require a lot of manpower. Heck, we have an example right in front of us this year with the transition from Ignite to Frostbite, that has been in the works for quite literally a few years.

Tiburon is not dismissing franchise players, and there's no need to spin then to unnecessarily and incorrectly demonize people.

Hence the need for an exclusive agreement.

Yeah we're not going to go down this route. It's old, lazy, cynical, and tired.

[MelR2000]

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Since you took my comment apart I willl retort. First, I don't know what you know, but I said "if" you were correct then it sucked. I understand you said it went across the board to all areas.

The bottom line is franchise does feel like the step child in this arena.

As far as my comment about the exclusive agreement, it is old, and tired for us gamers!1 it is also a major part of EA and Maddens legacy.

[JayD]

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exclusive agreements drive me nuts. Yes I know it's just business but when you have games that have a lot of potential it sucks that it can't get off the ground due to a monopoly. All it does is just hurts and angers gamers.

[ODogg]

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exclusive agreements drive me nuts. Yes I know it's just business but when you have games that have a lot of potential it sucks that it can't get off the ground due to a monopoly. All it does is just hurts and angers gamers.

EA has no monopoly, they own an NFL license. Anyone can make a football game, just not an NFL one. All Pro Football 2K8 got made and released just fine when the exclusive EA/NFL agreement was in place.

[Brightline]

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In my conversations with Tiburon people, UI is one of the biggest bottlenecks for new features in the game, especially franchise. Madden is unfortunately locked into using an older UI middleware solution and upgrading from that to a more modern middleware would require basically an entire cycle with no other game additions or changes.

CM always adds perspective of programmers. Its always helpful but I always will remind everyone: This is an explanation not an excuse. This is a massive AAA game, their limitations are of their own making. Year 6 of CFM and no open stadiums. Its a bad result.

[fballturkey]

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So if your information is true, then all this "new" engine talk is great for lighting and such, but if I understand you correctly core code requirements for franchise are using old code due to either lack of planning and insight or as I have always believed is that franchise just isn't high on the priority list. Hence the need for an exclusive agreement.

The new engine is a gameplay engine not a UI... engine? I don't think they're called that but there you go. They've always been and will always be distinct things.

For what it's worth I don't at all buy that it would be that difficult to make a stadium (or weather) select option in franchise mode. I think it just gets buried being other priorities which I disagree with but it is what it is.

[bad_philanthropy]

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CM always adds perspective of programmers. Its always helpful but I always will remind everyone: This is an explanation not an excuse. This is a massive AAA game, their limitations are of their own making. Year 6 of CFM and no open stadiums. Its a bad result.

Unfortunate reality of software in general. A lot of this stuff just won't be addressed until the annual release cycle moves to a subscription model.

[poulka]

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I highly doubt that an annual release cycle will even fix this.

To me this needs to a foundational build.

Here are my reasons why.

First weather needs to be a game changing feature. For instance weather needs to be completely reworked. Weather needs a system like in F1 racing games, what I mean see a weather forecast leading up to weeks game. Chance of race, heavy rain or snow or ice. Even wind.

Next here is why retractable roofs could have a management feature meaning use the weather forecast to use to make a decision to open or close the roof. Make this a big decision.

I say all this because how many times do we watch NFL countdown shows only for them to talk about two main things other than fantasy. They talk about injuries and weather. We are finally getting injuries right, but weather needs a tremendous upgrade.

[baconbits11]

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I highly doubt that an annual release cycle will even fix this.

To me this needs to a foundational build.

Here are my reasons why.

First weather needs to be a game changing feature. For instance weather needs to be completely reworked. Weather needs a system like in F1 racing games, what I mean see a weather forecast leading up to weeks game. Chance of race, heavy rain or snow or ice. Even wind.

Next here is why retractable roofs could have a management feature meaning use the weather forecast to use to make a decision to open or close the roof. Make this a big decision.

I say all this because how many times do we watch NFL countdown shows only for them to talk about two main things other than fantasy. They talk about injuries and weather. We are finally getting injuries right, but weather needs a tremendous upgrade.

I like your idea about making roof open or closed a big decision. In real life though they would close the roof during the game if needed for rain. In that case dynamic weather causing it to rain during your game in a retractable roof stadium, would cause a loading of the closed roof stadium during the game.


How would one feel about a 15 second loading screen coming during the game where the game would save, reload the closed stadium, then take you back to the game where it stopped. Could be interesting.

[kehlis]

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I like your idea about making roof open or closed a big decision. In real life though they would close the roof during the game if needed for rain. In that case dynamic weather causing it to rain during your game in a retractable roof stadium, would cause a loading of the closed roof stadium during the game.


How would one feel about a 15 second loading screen coming during the game where the game would save, reload the closed stadium, then take you back to the game where it stopped. Could be interesting.

That's not true.

The home team has to designate whether the roof will be open or closed an hour and a half before the game.

The ONLY way a roof would be closed during the game is if there is a public concern (lightning) and the decision is made by the referee and league offices.

A storm with just rain is not a reason that would allow the roof to be closed mid game.