Eluding and Breaking Tackles: Tips, Tricks and Observations

[SpyPirates]

Re: Eluding and Breaking Tackles: Tips, Tricks and Observations

I think power running in general has been nerfed into the ground (no pun intended). In older Maddens, it was the truck stick that was OP, then the stiff arm, and now both have been nerfed to where even the league's best power backs can't reliably run over DBs.

I think the elusiveness rating is OP now, as well, which the smaller/quicker backs usually have a high rating in. I think elusiveness is more effective than the trucking rating at breaking tackles.

I don't think we need to go back to the days where trucking LBs was a 50/50 proposition and you could run 'em over and still be in full stride, but I would think that a RB who trucks someone in a break down position would be able to fall forward for 2+ yards most of the time, and even manage to completely break the tackle sometimes.

Until then, I think the play is to pick quick & elusive backs, run zone plays, and use the RB heavily in the pass game

[lasto]

Re: Eluding and Breaking Tackles: Tips, Tricks and Observations

Has anyone noticed a stark difference between real RBs and created cfm mycareer guys? I played as power back and would break an absurd amount of tackles a game. Stiff arm worked great, every now and then the precision modifier would allow you to blast a guy off to the side with the palm of your hand like iron man.

Haven't played much with others so I am curious to compare

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[Potatoes002]

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If you want power backs to really work well, you need to turn down the CPU tackling slider. I believe this should be turned down for both sides anyways (at least 40), it makes the game play so much better. You will have a lot more success with the trucking and stiff arm animations.

You really need to learn how to time the stiff arm to get it to work, but trust me it does. I have found great success, more so with the "jab" stiff arm then the one where you hold down the button.

[Lucky Lacy]

Re: Eluding and Breaking Tackles: Tips, Tricks and Observations

Has anyone noticed a stark difference between real RBs and created cfm mycareer guys? I played as power back and would break an absurd amount of tackles a game. Stiff arm worked great, every now and then the precision modifier would allow you to blast a guy off to the side with the palm of your hand like iron man.

Haven't played much with others so I am curious to compare

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There's no longer a "precision stiff arm", doing that will trigger a celebration and cause your RB to fumble. I believe last year was the same way.

[lasto]

Re: Eluding and Breaking Tackles: Tips, Tricks and Observations

There's no longer a "precision stiff arm", doing that will trigger a celebration and cause your RB to fumble. I believe last year was the same way.

Good call out. I was going from memory and am definitely wrong on this.

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[jhoff7324]

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After doing some more testing and working on moves over the weekend, I have started to have more success w/power backs and the moves that they use.

Unlike the past few Maddens, the "truck stick" is back to the animation where the running back will dip their head in battering ram style and raise back up in one motion.

The past few years the truck stick could be held up and your RB would run w/ their head down until they ran into contact or fell over from their forward momentum. This would be a lot easier to get your RB to fall forward for a few extra yards.

The truck stick now takes proper timing to work. I have had success with most backs while using the truck stick now that I have figured it out.

Just as my post mentions above the timing is completely different this year and takes some time to master.

I have had success with the truck stick (flick up on R-stick), punch stiff arm (tap A/X), and the hold them off stiff arm (hold A/X).

You NEED to time the stiff arm and truck stick a little bit earlier this year to find success with these moves. When timed correctly they works as they should. It is not necessarily "nerfed" but, rather needs a little bit more practice to land.

Try getting into practice and running toss sweeps with different RB's and throw stiff arms as much as possible to find the right timing of the move. You will see it still works but, just needs to be thrown a little earlier than in the past.

I hope this helps a little... Let me know if you have any questions and I will do my best to get you all the answers

Now... I can't wait until this work day is over so I can go slap some would be tacklers!

[dreadheadnympho]

Re: Eluding and Breaking Tackles: Tips, Tricks and Observations

After doing some more testing and working on moves over the weekend, I have started to have more success w/power backs and the moves that they use.

Unlike the past few Maddens, the "truck stick" is back to the animation where the running back will dip their head in battering ram style and raise back up in one motion.

The past few years the truck stick could be held up and your RB would run w/ their head down until they ran into contact or fell over from their forward momentum. This would be a lot easier to get your RB to fall forward for a few extra yards.

The truck stick now takes proper timing to work. I have had success with most backs while using the truck stick now that I have figured it out.

Just as my post mentions above the timing is completely different this year and takes some time to master.

I have had success with the truck stick (flick up on R-stick), punch stiff arm (tap A/X), and the hold them off stiff arm (hold A/X).

You NEED to time the stiff arm and truck stick a little bit earlier this year to find success with these moves. When timed correctly they works as they should. It is not necessarily "nerfed" but, rather needs a little bit more practice to land.

Try getting into practice and running toss sweeps with different RB's and throw stiff arms as much as possible to find the right timing of the move. You will see it still works but, just needs to be thrown a little earlier than in the past.

I hope this helps a little... Let me know if you have any questions and I will do my best to get you all the answers

Now... I can't wait until this work day is over so I can go slap some would be tacklers!

you have any tips or clips on the timings u had success with

[azdawgpound]

Re: Eluding and Breaking Tackles: Tips, Tricks and Observations

you have any tips or clips on the timings u had success with

I have tried it at different times and still to no prevail....even went into practice mode and tried and the rb dosent even extend his arm out he puts it up but thats not a stiff arm animation and likevi previous stated in previous maddens the announcers would say he through out the stiff arm.

Now there's no mention of it and rb gets dragged down... Don't know how ppl say it works because I've and others have had zero success.

[LordHorc]

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Yeah, i use Leveon Bell and a rookie power back in my CFM, and I seem to be able to truck/stiff arm a reasonable amount. I tend to fall forward more than 50% of the time, which is pretty good. As for stiff arms, the timing is different. I've gotten better at it and will see my guys (about 90 stiff arm each) occasionally stiff arm the defender into the ground (1-2 times a game which is good), as well as run with the defender for a while. There's plenty of times my RB will pick up 3-6 more yards by carrying the defender with him. I've also had him carry the defender for 5 yards and then break free (but is usually then tackled by someone else). Seems decent to me.

[EJQJ99]

Re: Eluding and Breaking Tackles: Tips, Tricks and Observations

Right bumper lowers their shoulders. I've ran tacklers over with the right bumper.


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[jhoff7324]

Re: Eluding and Breaking Tackles: Tips, Tricks and Observations

So I am fairly nubbish at posting vids as I have not done it previously. Is it possible to post directly off of Xbox.com?

Anyways, I tried my best to capture my findings w/some screenshots below.

First is the juke I referred to a few posts back....

1st screen: I need to make a decision at this point.. Try to bowl over the DB or juke back underneath. This is where I initiate my move. Notice how early I decide to make the move. As I have mentioned in previous posts, moves need to be triggered earlier this year for desired results.

2nd screen: I go with the juke to the left. I release sprint, and flick the r-stick left WHILE holding my L-stick to the left and slightly behind the defender. Notice the feet (highlighted) are squared up.

3rd screen: The juke is commencing! My ball carrier (drafted QB) lowers his hips and makes the move.

4th screen: The defender has no chance to react to my move as my juke was extremely effective and well timed as he is staying on his original angle.

5th screen: Juke animation finishes and I have enough giddy-up to get my QB into the end zone while leaving the DB on c'mon man for his broken ankles.

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[jhoff7324]

Re: Eluding and Breaking Tackles: Tips, Tricks and Observations

Next up... the stiff arm.

I understand some of you may still be having issues with the moves. I PROMISE you, they are still possible. They just need to be initiated at the correct time and that tends to be earlier than in the past.

Screen 1: Notice the angle I start to take to give myself an advantage. Playing football throughout my years and into college we were taught "hash, numbers, sideline." As a RB you want to break through the hole and work towards the hashes, the numbers, and then the sideline. Also, it is extremely tough to stiff arm someone while squared to them. When squared, it is best to use the truck stick. For stiff arms you want to angle your body to give the best opportunity for your RB.

Screen 2: Notice the separation I now have with the defender. This is when I want to initiate the stiff-arm. I prefer the punch (tap A/X) method in the open field to give the would be tackler a good ole smack .

Screen 3: After already triggering the stiff arm, my RB reaches out to give the DB a good old fashioned can of whoop.

Screen 4 and 5: the separation is now evident and it looks like I have a free run to the end zone!!

I am telling people that moves are possible and might not be as easy to pull off as last year BUT, they are still effective when practiced and used correctly and in the right situations.

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[TexasRyan]

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I still haven't managed to do one stiff arm, I'll keep trying it.

[Robo COP]

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Great stuff Jhoff! I like that timing actually matters more now rather than just spamming/holding down stiff arm or just leaning forward with the truck stick to fall forward every time.

I think power running in general has been nerfed into the ground (no pun intended). In older Maddens, it was the truck stick that was OP, then the stiff arm, and now both have been nerfed to where even the league's best power backs can't reliably run over DBs.

I think the elusiveness rating is OP now, as well, which the smaller/quicker backs usually have a high rating in. I think elusiveness is more effective than the trucking rating at breaking tackles.

I don't think we need to go back to the days where trucking LBs was a 50/50 proposition and you could run 'em over and still be in full stride, but I would think that a RB who trucks someone in a break down position would be able to fall forward for 2+ yards most of the time, and even manage to completely break the tackle sometimes.

Until then, I think the play is to pick quick & elusive backs, run zone plays, and use the RB heavily in the pass game

There definitely needs to be a happy medium. In the real NFL even the powerbacks aren't just trucking guys left and right in a game. There's a reason it's a highlight reel type of play when a RB trucks a guy, steps over him, and continues on a run.

I do think the game could do better at power guys falling forward more often. I also feel like too much "solid" contact happens on madden. In the NFL you see a lot more arm tackles/not quite solid contact (like not wrapping up) from defenders, and that's what power backs are truly good at, running through arm tackles and absorbing a blow from a defender who isn't trying to wrap up.

There's too much head on and perfect angle type of stuff going on in madden. Still see "magnet" tackles happen, where a defender kind of just glides over to a ball carrier to trigger the tackle animation rather than actually making up the ground.

Also, on elusiveness, it definitely seems to be the attribute to have, at least in sims. Someone ran some test sims and elusiveness correlated highly to amount of broken tackles on the season

[Mattanite]

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I've noticed a few people hit on it in these posts, but this year it seems the best stiff arms and trucks come when you "charge them up"... If I flick the truck stick with AP this year he falls forward but doesn't often break the tackle... if I hold it to time it perfectly its an explosion of awesomeness!!