Madden NFL 17 Features Several Key Presentation Improvements

[avwhitechic]

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Listen man, I own my own company, I have a kid, I have my own life. I'm in here because I want to be and because this community helped me get opportunities I wouldn't have had otherwise. I don't need to be. So if you want anybody to ever engage with you, don't let your saltiness show so hard.

I don't recall attacking or insulting you one time and if I did and didn't realize my apologies but I thought I could share my opinion on presentation on this particular post. Again I'm a consumer that's considering a purchase of a product that's lacking what I desire. Nothing personal towards you and whatever sacrifices you've had to make regarding the game or getting a chance to test it


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[bucky60]

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but the fact is they make the engine crawl.

What about a custom camera vs a non custom camera makes the engine crawl? I could see the placement of a camera having an effect, but I'm, not sure how a camera being custom would make the graphics crawl.

Game. Development. Is. Triage. Remember that, burn it into your mind.

Game development should be about design, code, test, maintenance with enhancements going through the same steps. I don't have to burn software development into my brain, it already is. I've been designing and developing software since the 80's.

My question above is a serious question. I wonder if someone on the development team could answer it. There may be a legit reason.

[mrprice33]

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I don't recall attacking or insulting you one time and if I did and didn't realize my apologies but I thought I could share my opinion on presentation on this particular post. Again I'm a consumer that's considering a purchase of a product that's lacking what I desire. Nothing personal towards you and whatever sacrifices you've had to make regarding the game or getting a chance to test it


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No, it's no sacrifices at all. Your response to me was that it sounded like I helped create that baby, which is condescending and unnecessary. So I'm telling you that if you engage me like an adult I will do the same, but I have no obligation to engage with you at all, and you'd do well to remember that.

[avwhitechic]

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No, it's no sacrifices at all. Your response to me was that it sounded like I helped create that baby, which is condescending and unnecessary. So I'm telling you that if you engage me like an adult I will do the same, but I have no obligation to engage with you at all, and you'd do well to remember that.

Message received..trust me keyboard tounge wrestling ain't my thing


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[mrprice33]

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What about a custom camera vs a non custom camera makes the engine crawl? I could see the placement of a camera having an effect, but I'm, not sure how a camera being custom would make the graphics crawl.



Game development should be about design, code, test, maintenance with enhancements going through the same steps. I don't have to burn software development into my brain, it already is. I've been designing and developing software since the 80's.

My question above is a serious question. I wonder if someone on the development team could answer it. There may be a legit reason.

Because if you have a completely customizable camera it can placed in a position where the engine could be adversely affected. And if that's not a risk they're willing to take, then it's a risk they're not willing to take.

And really? You don't think game development is triage? Have you ever had to develop on a deadline? Have you ever had to do anything creative on a deadline? I've had to write reviews on deadline and I always wish I can go back and fix something after it's done. It's always about doing the best you can to meet your design philosophy and goals for that cycle. So yes, you have to make concessions, you have to let some things go for next time. It's hard to believe you have done software development in any serious way and not feel like that, as basically every software dev I've ever spoken to has described design as triage to me. Maybe you're just especially good at it.

[K_GUN]

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By the way Ian Cummings told us the same thing with the frame rate issues...that was 09'


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Soooo....then why is it so hard to comprehend?

Its not that difficult


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[mrprice33]

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Soooo....then why is it so hard to comprehend?

Its not that difficult


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BECAUSE ALL PROGRESS IS LINEAR!

Anyway, there's a lot of cool stuff in regular play-now presentation, but the really cool stuff is still to come.

[msdm27]

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Because if you have a completely customizable camera it can placed in a position where the engine could be adversely affected. And if that's not a risk they're willing to take, then it's a risk they're not willing to take.

And really? You don't think game development is triage? Have you ever had to develop on a deadline? Have you ever had to do anything creative on a deadline? I've had to write reviews on deadline and I always wish I can go back and fix something after it's done. It's always about doing the best you can to meet your design philosophy and goals for that cycle. So yes, you have to make concessions, you have to let some things go for next time. It's hard to believe you have done software development in any serious way and not feel like that, as basically every software dev I've ever spoken to has described design as triage to me. Maybe you're just especially good at it.

@mrprice:
Sometimes it is better to stop, take a breath and maybe jump back into the threads a bit later I say this as I see your responses are getting a bit hostile, and while it's not cool to be "attacked" unfairly, it is also not necessary to respond in passive aggressive way.

Just my two cents of friendly advice

I do reckon one point you had earlier is very valid, and will probably always apply to Madden and any other game... Once something is fixed/added, the customer goes straight into "taken for granted" mode and moves on to the next critique... I believe this must be a very hard way of thinking and living if that's how peeps approach a video game, nothing will ever be enough.

Unfortunately it is pretty easy to see plenty of folks that fit this prerogative in here

I do hope to see more meat to the presentation additions shortly

[mrprice33]

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@mrprice:
Sometimes it is better to stop, take a breath and maybe jump back into the threads a bit later I say this as I see your responses are getting a bit hostile, and while it's not cool to be "attacked" unfairly, it is also not necessary to respond in passive aggressive way.

Just my two cents of friendly advice

I do reckon one point you had earlier is very valid, and will probably always apply to Madden and any other game... Once something is fixed/added, the customer goes straight into "taken for granted" mode and moves on to the next critique... I believe this must be a very hard way of thinking and living if that's how peeps approach a video game, nothing will ever be enough.

Unfortunately it is pretty easy to see plenty of folks that fit this prerogative in here

I do hope to see more meat to the presentation additions shortly

I need to remember that the ignore list is there for a reason. You're right though.

[strawberryshortcake]

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Unless I glossed it over, did they mention anything about reworking the playcalling screen so the graphics don't cover up the replays or whatever is going on on the field after the play is over?

Madden 16 playcalling screen


Something along the line of this so I can still see the action on the field, especially during replays, or just about anytime there is something on the field. Just a quick mock-up that I did a few years ago. Just the idea of not covering up the action with playcalling screen would be great.

[mrprice33]

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Unless I glossed it over, did they mention anything about reworking the playcalling screen so the graphics don't cover up the replays or whatever is going on on the field after the play is over?

Madden 16 playcalling screen


Something along the line of this so I can still see the action on the field, especially during replays, or just about anytime there is something on the field. Just a quick mock-up that I did a few years ago. Just the idea of not covering up the action with playcalling screen would be great.

Unfortunately the play-calling screen hasn't changed. There are more stoppages for replays, though, which might help?

[bucky60]

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Because if you have a completely customizable camera it can placed in a position where the engine could be adversely affected. And if that's not a risk they're willing to take, then it's a risk they're not willing to take.

That's dependent on the placement of the camera. And that could very well be a risk they don't want to take because some might not understand this and complain. But technically, as far as I can tell, a custom camera would work and not cause frame-rate problems dependent on it's placement.

Have you ever had to develop on a deadline?

Are you serious? Of course I have. Some pretty stringent deadlines.

Have you ever had to do anything creative on a deadline?

Off course.

I've had to write reviews on deadline

You've written reviews? I've written software. Since the 80's.

So yes, you have to make concessions, you have to let some things go for next time.

Man, of course I had to make concessions and put things off as a future enhancement. We've had to push off known bugs.

It's hard to believe you have done software development in any serious way and not feel like that, as basically every software dev I've ever spoken to has described design as triage to me. Maybe you're just especially good at it.

I've done compilers, linker's and simulators for hardware that hadn't even been developed yet, just designed and in the process of being developed. Simulations of hardware at the actual clock level. We took the hardware schematic's from the hardware designers and wrote simulations at that level. I'd say that's pretty serious.

Why you so salty about this? I think it's great you've spent all this time trying to help the community. I have not attacked you. Just asked what was probably a legit question about custom camera's and gave my very educated opinion on software development.

And yes, I was pretty good at it, and still am pretty good at it.

Dude, chill, get back to answering questions and THANKS for your time!!!!!!!!!! Seriously THANKS!!!!!!!!

[strawberryshortcake]

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Unfortunately the play-calling screen hasn't changed. There are more stoppages for replays, though, which might help?

Thanks. Is there at least some type of "delay" (millisecond) to the button mash when the replay kicks in? "Button Delay" is never a good thing in a video game, but sometimes in the heat of the moment, you want to smash that "X" button, and you're like oops, I actually wanted to see that replay.

And can there be replays after each and every single play if the user wanted?

[StL_RamZ]

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We're able to do things that push the limits of what broadcast wishes it could

This is the issue here, EA think it knows what WE want, we dont want to push the limits of what broadcast wishes it could, an authentic broadcast presentation is what we want,

But besides the point I can honestly careless about those intros or what ever else has pushed the limits, they are nice and I'm ok with them. It's just when they said that it rubbed me the wrong way

[mrprice33]

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Thanks. Is there at least some type of "delay" (millisecond) to the button mash when the replay kicks in? "Button Delay" is never a good thing in a video game, but sometimes in the heat of the moment, you want to smash that "X" button, and you're like oops, I actually wanted to see that replay.

I might be misremembering this, but I think it's a hold this year. So you hold A/X and the icon pops up in the bottom right of the screen, and it fills around in green. When it fills up all the way, it skips to the next play. Again, I could be completely misremembering this, but I'm relatively certain that's how it worked.

Nope, I was right: http://www.operationsports.com/forum...&postcount=895