Madden NFL 17 Player Ratings - Top 5 Quarterbacks

[DeuceDouglas]

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That's what I was thinking. So when they say there are less 90 overalls this year what does that even mean. All this guys might be 99 over or close to it in the old system.

At least with these guys the lower overall just seems to be number that is calculated different

Yeah, I popped all their numbers into M16 and all three were a 99. Makes me wonder what it would take for a QB to be a 99 in M17 because these guys numbers are jacked and they're not too close. If I had to take a guess, I'd say that all the passing attributes are weighted fairly evenly so anything they don't do as well (Brady Throw On Run) dips the overall. And maybe to be a 99 you basically have to be 99 in all of them or something.

[roadman]

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Glad ratings are lower, the problem is where will they be after the first 2 roster updates? In the past everyone that's having ONE good season has shot up to the 90s

SS, did you listen to this interview about a week ago or so?

Start listening at the 10:30 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK-Z66Sdres

[jwing7]

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I will be severely disappointed when they reveal that Philip Rivers is still worse than Andy Dalton even though he was the only starter left standing in that Chargers offense and was making accurate throws in horrific pockets while Andy got to take tea breaks in his pocket while throwing to AJ Green, Tyler Eifert, Mohamed Sanu and Marvin Jones while handing off to Giovani Bernard and Jeremy Hill.

Brady is the best quarterback in the league in the way that Peyton Manning was the best QB in the league last year: reputation and past accomplishments. Brady is still a great QB, but he's not the best. Aaron Rodgers has been the best for years now. Russell Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger and Cam Newton all belong in Brady's air space in terms of being in the upper echelon of great QBs along with Drew Brees and Philip Rivers.

Rivers is a great player but Dalton was putting up MVP type numbers last year before he was injured.

I'm lost on your Brady comparison. He was an elite QB last year based on performance, not reputation. Manning was straight garbage last year and wasn't ever thought of as "great" during any stretch.

Cam had a great year but I don't get all the love he's getting. He played a soft schedule and folded in the Super Bowl when he faced his first adversity of the year. Until he can come up in clutch moments, I think you have to put him below Brady, Ben and Rodgers.

With that said, Cam should be the most dominant QB to play with in Madden.

[juduking]

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I don't know. Aaron Rodgers looked above average last year without a number one receiver or a top tight end. Certainly not the best QB in the league. The best QB in the league would put up great numbers regardless of supporting cast, kind of like how Tom Brady does it with Edelman and Gronkowski hurt half the year. Like always though, body of work outweighs current ratings. Players should be rated based on what have you done for me lately, not their entire careers. Rodgers is low 90s in my opinion, not the best QB in the league.

[Godgers12]

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I don't know. Aaron Rodgers looked above average last year without a number one receiver or a top tight end. Certainly not the best QB in the league. The best QB in the league would put up great numbers regardless of supporting cast, kind of like how Tom Brady does it with Edelman and Gronkowski hurt half the year. Like always though, body of work outweighs current ratings. Players should be rated based on what have you done for me lately, not their entire careers. Rodgers is low 90s in my opinion, not the best QB in the league.

Rodgers had no WRs last year that could get open, that's not on him. Also, you take away Gronk, and Brady struggles just as bad if not worse than Rodgers last year.

[Yazan Gable]

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I don't know. Aaron Rodgers looked above average last year without a number one receiver or a top tight end. Certainly not the best QB in the league. The best QB in the league would put up great numbers regardless of supporting cast, kind of like how Tom Brady does it with Edelman and Gronkowski hurt half the year. Like always though, body of work outweighs current ratings. Players should be rated based on what have you done for me lately, not their entire careers. Rodgers is low 90s in my opinion, not the best QB in the league.

Aaron Rodgers was left with a certified No. 2 receiver trying to play No. 1 and a guy in Davante Adams who is incapable of getting separation or even catching the ball. Aaron Rodgers still made that questionable receiving corp and struggling offensive line look better than it should. Tom Brady had a better defense to help keep his team in the game and has an offensive scheme that requires him to get the ball out quickly to players who can get good yardage after the catch. Aaron Rodgers did not have that luxury with the receivers he was working with. He was making accurate throws to mediocre receivers who kept dropping his passes or being in the wrong place.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2016/film-room-aaron-rodgers

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2015/film-room-davante-adams

[juduking]

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Rodgers had no WRs last year that could get open, that's not on him. Also, you take away Gronk, and Brady struggles just as bad if not worse than Rodgers last year.

I thought the argument was that a franchise QB, and certainly the best QB in the league makes those around him better? Rogers still put up decent numbers considering his receiving corps problems, but stats wise, he was middle of the pack. His ratings should reflect that, but with him being rated as the best quarterback in the NFL, it seems his body of work is outweighing his last years performance. That is the point I was trying to make.

[jwing7]

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Rodgers had no WRs last year that could get open, that's not on him. Also, you take away Gronk, and Brady struggles just as bad if not worse than Rodgers last year.

Brady and Manning made careers out of no name receivers. Stop being such a homer.

[The JareBear]

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Brady and Manning made careers out of no name receivers. Stop being such a homer.

I definitely agree that Brady has made more millionaires than the lotto. I do think Manning had guys that were Pro Bowl bound with or without him, well, at least in a couple cases. I think he definitely made Julius Thomas a lot of money, though.

Honestly I understand the debate. Rodgers and Brady are both super beasts. Their ratings are awesome, regardless of who is higher.

[Yazan Gable]

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I thought the argument was that a franchise QB, and certainly the best QB in the league makes those around him better? Rogers still put up decent numbers considering his receiving corps problems, but stats wise, he was middle of the pack. His ratings should reflect that, but with him being rated as the best quarterback in the NFL, it seems his body of work is outweighing his last years performance. That is the point I was trying to make.

He did make them better. That's how bad what he had to use was. He was still an exceptional quarterback, but he was in a bad situation.

Brady and Manning made careers out of no name receivers. Stop being such a homer.

Legendary no-name receivers such as 19th overall pick Marvin Harrison, 30th overall Reggie Wayne, 22nd overall Demaryius Thomas, 82nd overall Emmanuel Sanders, 87th overall Eric Decker, 4th overall Edgerrin James and 30th overall Joseph Addai (they caught passes too.) Let's not forget 24th overall Ty Law, 65th overall Deion Branch, 42nd overall Rob Gronkowski, Hall of Fame no-name receiver Randy Moss, 32nd overall Ben Watson, 56th overall Shane Vereen. I mean, just loaded with terrible, undrafted day 3 players.

[Godgers12]

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I thought the argument was that a franchise QB, and certainly the best QB in the league makes those around him better? Rogers still put up decent numbers considering his receiving corps problems, but stats wise, he was middle of the pack. His ratings should reflect that, but with him being rated as the best quarterback in the NFL, it seems his body of work is outweighing his last years performance. That is the point I was trying to make.

So he's suppose to throw to WRs who are covered and throw 5 picks a game? Our entire WR corps was incapable of beating man. Brady wouldn't have done any better.

[The JareBear]

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He did make them better. That's how bad what he had to use was. He was still an exceptional quarterback, but he was in a bad situation.Legendary no-name receivers such as 19th overall pick Marvin Harrison, 30th overall Reggie Wayne, 22nd overall Demaryius Thomas, 82nd overall Emmanuel Sanders, 87th overall Eric Decker, 4th overall Edgerrin James and 30th overall Joseph Addai (they caught passes too.) Let's not forget 24th overall Ty Law, 65th overall Deion Branch, 42nd overall Rob Gronkowski, Hall of Fame no-name receiver Randy Moss, 32nd overall Ben Watson, 56th overall Shane Vereen. I mean, just loaded with terrible, undrafted day 3 players.

Agreed on Manning's teammates.

As for Brady: Gronk is an All-Pro no matter where he plays, for sure, but the other cases, I mean, I don't think Ben Watson ever really set the league on fire, did he? Look at what Moss was doing right before Brady, and immediately after. Deion Branch had steep drop offs after leaving Brady, as did Wes Welker.

[jwing7]

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He did make them better. That's how bad what he had to use was. He was still an exceptional quarterback, but he was in a bad situation.Legendary no-name receivers such as 19th overall pick Marvin Harrison, 30th overall Reggie Wayne, 22nd overall Demaryius Thomas, 82nd overall Emmanuel Sanders, 87th overall Eric Decker, 4th overall Edgerrin James and 30th overall Joseph Addai (they caught passes too.) Let's not forget 24th overall Ty Law, 65th overall Deion Branch, 42nd overall Rob Gronkowski, Hall of Fame no-name receiver Randy Moss, 32nd overall Ben Watson, 56th overall Shane Vereen. I mean, just loaded with terrible, undrafted day 3 players.

You seem to be forgetting Austin Collie, Pierre Garcon, Brandon Stokely. Decker is a good player but Manning certainly inflated his stats and got him that contract. Same with DT as well (I'm a Broncos fan btw).

Brady had Moss for one good season. You're leaving out players like Troy Brown, Welker and Edlemen.

Do you want to keep rattling off draft positions of players over the past 15 years or maybe admit that Brady and Manning were consistently the best regardless of what talent surrounded them (which they have had a fair amount at times). Or I guess we can make excuses for Rodgers when he had Adams (pick #53), Cobb (pick #64) and Lacy (pick #61) for most of the year.

[Mauer4MVP]

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Agreed on Manning's teammates.

As for Brady: Gronk is an All-Pro no matter where he plays, for sure, but the other cases, I mean, I don't think Ben Watson ever really set the league on fire, did he? Look at what Moss was doing right before Brady, and immediately after. Deion Branch had steep drop offs after leaving Brady, as did Wes Welker.

I'm sorry. Brady did not make Moss. That is flat out preposterous. Moss is arguably the greatest ever and at least a consensus #2.

[Mauer4MVP]

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You seem to be forgetting Austin Collie, Pierre Garcon, Brandon Stokely. Decker is a good player but Manning certainly inflated his stats and got him that contract. Same with DT as well (I'm a Broncos fan btw).

Brady had Moss for one good season. You're leaving out players like Troy Brown, Welker and Edlemen.

Do you want to keep rattling off draft positions of players over the past 15 years or maybe admit that Brady and Manning were consistently the best regardless of what talent surrounded them (which they have had a fair amount at times). Or I guess we can make excuses for Rodgers when he had Adams (pick #53), Cobb (pick #64) and Lacy (pick #61) for most of the year.

Personally, I think Adams, Cobb, and Lacy are all insanely overrated.