I cannot get pressure

[King Gro23]

Re: I cannot get pressure

Okay so after reading the entire thread I think there are mixed results..

With that being said I am with the OP. There is not enough pressure. In madden 17 and many other iterations ;; why do people think a QB can just stand flat footed and look like your uncle Denny throwing to his nephews at a family get together?

Yes you can user a DE and beat tackle for sack , or you can nano blitz a backer, lastly you can send a DB. Those get pressure quick.

But I think why every body is upset is because Pockets do not cave. Oline IRL can stay in front of their assignments more times than not. But how many plays do you see a Dline get less then a yard of penetration? DLINEMAN push blockers into QB, DLINE BEAT LINEMAN SHOOTING DOUBLE TEAMS AND INSIDE GAPS, once again In general the lineman consistently get drove back into backfield trying to block D.

That doesn't happen in madden you either slip free and get sack or your entire line is stonewalled with zero push moving offense back.


The lack of push and pocket collapse is the problem and the eye sore.. My humbled opinion

[ryangrand3]

Re: I cannot get pressure

I play on all pro with pass protection slider at 0 for user and cpu. Both myself and the opposing quarterback can sit under center, receive the snap, check on their fantasy lineup, have a cup of coffee, then throw the ball to any receiver they choose because it's been an excess of 8 seconds and every single one of them has separated from the defender. That's with 4-6 man pressure. I can only get home with a jail break blitz. And even that takes 3 seconds. This pass rush is unrealistic and 100% broken

[chickenhed]

Re: I cannot get pressure

That's probably more pressure than real life man. I posted some statistics already.

Qbs are pressures on averge roughly 33% of the time. It ranges from the 20's to 40's. Some lines are worse and some are better and some qbs get rid of the ball quicker than others.

Those percentages were pretty dead on you gave me.

I understand the animations and pocket may not be perfect but I never really argued that.

While I completely understand what you're saying and the stats make sense, the issue I have is when star Defensive linemen get pushed around like rag dolls.

For example, Geno Atkins registered 86 QB pressures last year. That's an average of around 5 pressures per game. If he isn't double-teamed, he will disrupt a play quite often. Let alone if he is single-blocked by an average OG.

Playing a game and having JJ Watt get manhandled by a low 70's tier offensive lineman single-blocking him for the entire game is very frustrating.

[roadman]

Re: I cannot get pressure

I play on all pro with pass protection slider at 0 for user and cpu. Both myself and the opposing quarterback can sit under center, receive the snap, check on their fantasy lineup, have a cup of coffee, then throw the ball to any receiver they choose because it's been an excess of 8 seconds and every single one of them has separated from the defender. That's with 4-6 man pressure. I can only get home with a jail break blitz. And even that takes 3 seconds. This pass rush is unrealistic and 100% broken

Is this with the new patch installed?

[roadman]

Re: I cannot get pressure

While I completely understand what you're saying and the stats make sense, the issue I have is when star Defensive linemen get pushed around like rag dolls.

For example, Geno Atkins registered 86 QB pressures last year. That's an average of around 5 pressures per game. If he isn't double-teamed, he will disrupt a play quite often. Let alone if he is single-blocked by an average OG.

Playing a game and having JJ Watt get manhandled by a low 70's tier offensive lineman single-blocking him for the entire game is very frustrating.

I'm seeing Peppers, Matthews and Daniels getting pressure in my CFM games, and it's not sporadic either.

I have Speed Parity at 45.

[ryangrand3]

Re: I cannot get pressure

Is this with the new patch installed?

Yep, just finished a game. I've been playing with user and cpu pass reaction time and pass coverage 95/95 and 95/95 because with zero pass rush each quarterback shreds for 500 yards and 6 tds

[roadman]

Re: I cannot get pressure

Yep, just finished a game. I've been playing with user and cpu pass reaction time and pass coverage 95/95 and 95/95 because with zero pass rush each quarterback shreds for 500 yards and 6 tds

Interesting.

Others, including myself, are seeing scrambling QB's rush around ends infrequently during the game once they are pressured. I'm also seeing QB's throwing the ball away once they sense pressure.

My settings are all around default all-pro.

The game is tuned on all-pro from 5 to 8 minutes quarters.

[ryangrand3]

Re: I cannot get pressure

Interesting.

Others, including myself, are seeing scrambling QB's rush around ends infrequently during the game once they are pressured. I'm also seeing QB's throwing the ball away once they sense pressure.

My settings are all around default all-pro.

The game is tuned on all-pro from 5 to 8 minutes quarters.

Yeah I'm certainly puzzled, my cpu an accuracy is 70 but his ai seems awful. He will occasionally throw the ball away after 3 or 4 seconds even though he has a pocket that would give a real life quarterback a wet dream

[chickenhed]

Re: I cannot get pressure

I'm seeing Peppers, Matthews and Daniels getting pressure in my CFM games, and it's not sporadic either.

I have Speed Parity at 45.

Thanks for the input. I'm using JoshC's sliders that leave everything default except penalties and auto subs. But I have not implemented the 45 speed parity change he did yet.

Hopefully it works magic.

Oh, do you think changing the coach scheme and/or changing the player scheme/archetype has any effect? In my Rams franchise I tried changing my coach DT scheme to Pass rusher, Balanced, Run Stopper, etc, and also changed Donald's player archetype as well, but neither seemed to have any real effect on Aaron Donald getting pressure.

[roadman]

Re: I cannot get pressure

Thanks for the input. I'm using JoshC's sliders that leave everything default except penalties and auto subs. But I have not implemented the 45 speed parity change he did yet.

Hopefully it works magic.

Oh, do you think changing the coach scheme and/or changing the player scheme/archetype has any effect? In my Rams franchise I tried changing my coach DT scheme to Pass rusher, Balanced, Run Stopper, etc, and also changed Donald's player archetype as well, but neither seemed to have any real effect on Aaron Donald getting pressure.

Yeah, I'm not sure about your last question, but I was experiencing the same as you were before Josh made the 3 changes.

The DL fights off and battles more with the changes. Peppers and Matthews are getting up field more on a consistent basis.

[roadman]

Re: I cannot get pressure

Yeah I'm certainly puzzled, my cpu an accuracy is 70 but his ai seems awful. He will occasionally throw the ball away after 3 or 4 seconds even though he has a pocket that would give a real life quarterback a wet dream

That is because the QB senses pressure, even though the pocket is a wide open pocket, someone is breaking free.

[prototype561]

Re: I cannot get pressure

6-8 times a game the CPU runs all verticals, sometimes against a 6 man blitz, and 90% time the WR's run the entire vertical route turn around come back and catch the ball before I get any pressure. I'm talking about running 60+ yds and then turn around and come back for the catch. It's at least 6 seconds with no pressure.

[mcavner]

Re: I cannot get pressure

You know, all I want, and ever wanted as it's a legacy issue, is for my D to get as many sacks as the cpu. They sack me on screen passes, I can't get the ball off in a second at the last minute like they can (even with auto pass with the cpu controlling my qb)... its kinda crazy how long this has been a thing.

It is not a pressure issue - its a sack issue. I force a throwaway or two on every drive, but rarely get sacks. Really wish the programmers could make the pass rush work better through sliders in a way that didn't just result in more incomplete passes.

[roadman]

Re: I cannot get pressure

You know, all I want, and ever wanted as it's a legacy issue, is for my D to get as many sacks as the cpu. They sack me on screen passes, I can't get the ball off in a second at the last minute like they can (even with auto pass with the cpu controlling my qb)... its kinda crazy how long this has been a thing.



It is not a pressure issue - its a sack issue. I force a throwaway or two on every drive, but rarely get sacks. Really wish the programmers could make the pass rush work better through sliders in a way that didn't just result in more incomplete passes.

I guess I just don't see this issue. In my CFM's there is a good balance where the user(me)will win the sack total or the AI will.

It varies from game to game with me.

[mcavner]

Re: I cannot get pressure

I guess I just don't see this issue. In my CFM's there is a good balance where the user(me)will win the sack total or the AI will.

It varies from game to game with me.

Fair enough. But it's an issue because I, and other users, can't get the sliders to make what I feel should be happening, happen. That's what the sliders are supposed to do.

You see some guys here can't pass, others are saying it's too easy... some guys can run at will and some guys can't get started. But what we all need are sliders that are intuitive and responsive - and with the sack/pressure issue we don't have a platform that we can tweak to make the game play right to our own perspective.