Let's put it to a vote: Do we need two game settings? (Sim vs online)

[DeuceDouglas]

Re: Let's put it to a vote: Do we need two game settings? (Sim vs online)

Yes but only after they make sliders work in a much better and more obvious fashion along with additional options for different aspects of the game. What I mean is 0 QB Accuracy slider = every throw off target, 100 QB Accuracy = no missed throws, 100 Run Blocking slider = O-Line pancaking immediately on run plays, etc.

I've mentioned it before but if sliders actually worked like this, it would allow them to give Online/Comp it's own standalone rule/slider set. Comp/online could have it's own and every Sim player would be free to tailor the game exactly to their liking. Most tuners would be replaced by slider tweaks for a given mode and you could gather the top Comp players together to help decide on the ruleset that they want to play by instead of them just always playing on default and having the game essentially built around that. It wouldn't be perfect but I think it would go a long way in appeasing both sides and if they just threw an Online/Sim setting on top of what we currently have I'm not sure how much would really be accomplished.

I don't think there is any need to distinctly create a divide between the two when they could both work simultaneously under the same roof, it's just about making the ability for that to happen much easier and more friendly than it currently is.

[phant030]

Re: Let's put it to a vote: Do we need two game settings? (Sim vs online)

I dont think so. I think the game should play closer to simulation in all modes (online and offline) It is something I believe the developers should stand firm on simply because its reality.

The game should have Tourney modes for hosted tournaments qualifying and tournament play and custom rules.

Tournament style gameplay should only be expected and isolated in actual tournament spaces. Simulation gameplay should be expected everywhere else.

[kehlis]

Re: Let's put it to a vote: Do we need two game settings? (Sim vs online)

I dont think so. I think the game should play closer to simulation in all modes (online and offline) It is something I believe the developers should stand firm on simply because its reality.

Right or wrong this is the kind of thought that has to go away if we want to get pure sim.

Like it or not, tournament style play is not going away, we need to offer some sort of compromise if we want to see a pure style game and the premise of this thread offers one.

Either way, one thing I can promise is that due to the $$ that the tourney crowd brings if this game is made as either/or the sim crowd will lose out 100% of the time.

[Fist Of Kings]

Re: Let's put it to a vote: Do we need two game settings? (Sim vs online)

I don't think we need 2 settings. Rex Dickson has said that madden is intended to be a sim game, so it should play realistically. Other sports games like the nba 2k series are known for sim, and arcadey play is looked down in the community. I'm guessing it's the same with the show and fifa, so I think that online players somehow wanting the unrealistic, arcadey play that we currently have in madden is a myth.

I've seen complaints from online players that are the same as those of us that play offline, like elite wrs/tes dropping wide open passes, or player ratings still not translating to what goes on the field. That doesn't sound like someone that wants an arcadey experience, it sounds like someone that wants their game to play realistically, online or not.

[JohnDoe8865]

Re: Let's put it to a vote: Do we need two game settings? (Sim vs online)

I've seen complaints from online players that are the same as those of us that play offline, like elite wrs/tes dropping wide open passes

But the bolded is not a problem for offline sim gamers. Occasionally, yes even elite WR/TE/RB, will drop catches while wide open in real life.

[kehlis]

Re: Let's put it to a vote: Do we need two game settings? (Sim vs online)

I don't think we need 2 settings. Rex Dickson has said that madden is intended to be a sim game, so it should play realistically. Other sports games like the nba 2k series are known for sim, and arcadey play is looked down in the community. I'm guessing it's the same with the show and fifa, so I think that online players somehow wanting the unrealistic, arcadey play that we currently have in madden is a myth.

I've seen complaints from online players that are the same as those of us that play offline, like elite wrs/tes dropping wide open passes, or player ratings still not translating to what goes on the field. That doesn't sound like someone that wants an arcadey experience, it sounds like someone that wants their game to play realistically, online or not.

I know the thread title is online/offline but the discussion really is about tourney players versus offline sim players. There are ton of online players that want a pure sim.

[phant030]

Re: Let's put it to a vote: Do we need two game settings? (Sim vs online)

Right or wrong this is the kind of thought that has to go away if we want to get pure sim.

Like it or not, tournament style play is not going away, we need to offer some sort of compromise if we want to see a pure style game and the premise of this thread offers one.

Either way, one thing I can promise is that due to the $$ that the tourney crowd brings if this game is made as either/or the sim crowd will lose out 100% of the time.

I understand the POV...if the modes themselves have separate settings...ex. ranked rules on and ranked rules off, ...it would work for me.

But if all online competitive modes are set to tourney settings wit no CPU errors, etc.. and offline. Madden turns into a No Buy for me...to me that's not compromise. They already compromise with user control, agility, catch boost...can't "give in" to what I to believe as normal behavior from pro football players.

[kehlis]

Re: Let's put it to a vote: Do we need two game settings? (Sim vs online)

I understand the POV...if the modes themselves have separate settings...ex. ranked rules on and ranked rules off, ...it would work for me.

But if all online competitive modes are set to tourney settings wit no CPU errors, etc.. and offline. Madden turns into a No Buy for me...to me that's not compromise. They already compromise with user control, agility, catch boost...can't "give in" to what I to believe as normal behavior from pro football players.

I don't disagree, see the post I just made above this one.

[BadAssHskr]

Re: Let's put it to a vote: Do we need two game settings? (Sim vs online)

I know the thread title is online/offline but the discussion really is about tourney players versus offline sim players. There are ton of online players that want a pure sim.

Yep distinction has to be made. Tourney guys and franchise guys. I play solo online franchise, and i expect to be included in the sim crowd.

Really the game should be branded and played as sim, and then be able to switch to tourney mode.

[jfsolo]

Re: Let's put it to a vote: Do we need two game settings? (Sim vs online)

Right or wrong this is the kind of thought that has to go away if we want to get pure sim.

Like it or not, tournament style play is not going away, we need to offer some sort of compromise if we want to see a pure style game and the premise of this thread offers one.

Either way, one thing I can promise is that due to the $$ that the tourney crowd brings if this game is made as either/or the sim crowd will lose out 100% of the time.

Yep, if it's an either or, the sim crowd is toast.

A couple of tweets by Clint in the last hour:

Clint Oldenburg @ClintOldenburg
@gratwickfilms @DenairNYC you're preaching to the choir here, I'm a sim guy. But the reality is we are in the vast minority of gamers.

Clint Oldenburg
@ClintOldenburg
@gratwickfilms @DenairNYC gamers want skill mechanics to dictate outcomes, not random dice rolls. Perfect solution is offering unique modes

[phant030]

Re: Let's put it to a vote: Do we need two game settings? (Sim vs online)

Clint Oldenburg
@ClintOldenburg
@gratwickfilms @DenairNYC gamers want skill mechanics to dictate outcomes, not random dice rolls. Perfect solution is offering unique modes

User should be able to impact and influence outcomes. Should never be absolute (ex. green release in 2k) just because the user is involved. If a game was all absolute to user input, no one would buy or play it, in my opinion.

Last year Rex told community user gets boost when using play receiver vs agg catch -- ppl still refused to and just 'let the computer do it"...if they want user to dictate outcomes, i sure see lot of non user open field tackles, lot of non user DB play on deep passes, etc. But, i digress.

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[burter]

Re: Let's put it to a vote: Do we need two game settings? (Sim vs online)

But the bolded is not a problem for offline sim gamers. Occasionally, yes even elite WR/TE/RB, will drop catches while wide open in real life.

Yep, not sure why people think it never happens. Fitzgerald has been making crazy catches all year to bail out sorry a** Palmer, but this past Sunday he drop probably the easiest pass ever thrown to him. It happens and I wish the online people would understand that so we won't get patches that totally destroy the game for us sim offline people........

[fistofrage]

Re: Let's put it to a vote: Do we need two game settings? (Sim vs online)

Yep, if it's an either or, the sim crowd is toast.

A couple of tweets by Clint in the last hour:

It seems then that the solution for a quick fix would have online games be in rookie mode with offensive sliders and special teams accuracy at 100. Every pass on the mark every catch made and field goals absolutely automatic and then give us sliders that work.

[timhere1970]

Re: Let's put it to a vote: Do we need two game settings? (Sim vs online)

It seems then that the solution for a quick fix would have online games be in rookie mode with offensive sliders and special teams accuracy at 100. Every pass on the mark every catch made and field goals absolutely automatic and then give us sliders that work.

Games had simulation and arcade modes 25 years ago. madden should be able to keep up with the nineties.

[fistofrage]

Re: Let's put it to a vote: Do we need two game settings? (Sim vs online)

Games had simulation and arcade modes 25 years ago. madden should be able to keep up with the nineties.

Their sim engine in some areas doesn't even match what the Commodore 64 had in the 1980's.