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  • deu22ces
    Rookie
    • Jun 2010
    • 207

    #76
    Re: Which do you prefer Offline or Online?

    Originally posted by NDAlum
    I don't think it's fair to compare Madden to the actual NFL

    I can only take full control of 1 player during a play and I have to live with the AI of the 10 others. I can't coach them up to do specifically what I want. Many times I'll know a play is coming but I can only cover one of the routes. Let's say I'm taking away the PA TE corner route with a LB or safety and there's a slant underneath it.

    If the defense was given more options to counter the offensive attack I might change my tune.

    As it stands there are certain concepts in the game that screw over the AI and people exploit it. There are YouTube channels dedicated to finding these exploits and marketing them to the masses for widespread use.

    We all know that some plays work better than others. It's just how the game is.
    I agree. But that's where the Dev team comes in. I wrote b4 that I bet there are coders/programmers in that building who are told "we need hook/curl zones in the game". They are not educated how or why it's used. They are not told there is a progression to it. They put it in how they 'think' it should be, maybe read an article or 2.

    So back to your point, we can't trust LB's to behave like LB's if CPU controlled. And if we can't 'coach' them to be LB's, they have to be programmed to behave like one. This is why if a LB has a zone assignment in the game, he bails at the snap and drops so far back that unders are open all the time or a warp animation kicks in to come back for a run.

    If there was a progression: LB's should always take a 'read' step. Towards the line or lateral is a coach or scheme difference. But this step, or pause, keeps the LB near the LOS in case they 'read' a run. If it is a pass, this step mimics the first step of the QB for timing. The LB then mirrors the rest of the QB's drop steps, settling when the QB settles. This puts him at a depth that matches the routes Receivers are running. Now it's the AWR and/or PRC to diagnose who's entering/leaving your zone. The off arm (without the ball) of the QB is a 'tell' for throw depth. If it raises, the QB needs to get air to go deep, level and it's short to intermediate. If the LB next to you blitzed, you have to widen and adjust your coverage area.

    Too much detail there or not, the point is if programmers understood how the player is taught to behave, the AI could be coded 'smarter'. A LB who has a hook/curl zone but drops back 10-12 yards on a 3 step drop is useless to me.

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    • Dj_MyTime
      Pro
      • May 2012
      • 613

      #77
      Re: Which do you prefer Offline or Online?

      Originally posted by roadman
      Why are you taking things personally when someone says, only/strictly offline without personally knowing the person? This isn't the first time in this thread you responded similar to above.

      I really don't care how someone enjoy's the game they spend their money on and I would expect the same respect on the other end.

      I am strictly a offline player and I don't care how that is interpreted, no explanations needed.

      I have tried it before and it didn't suit my needs and certainly doesn't now, either.
      It's not personal, this is forum where opinions are expressed is it not...if you guys wanna play A.I. by all means, but the game in my opinion is better vs ''real'' competition.

      It's a different POV from the ''strict'' offline users, but that doesn't make it personal fella.
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      • Dj_MyTime
        Pro
        • May 2012
        • 613

        #78
        Re: Which do you prefer Offline or Online?

        Originally posted by NDAlum
        Man I'm a pretty seasoned vet in the online CFM crowd and the league generally goes towards those who can live in the grey area of the rules and play kinda cheap but not cheap enough to warrant removal from the league. Then the league starts to gravitate towards that style of play and most guys end up playing the same way after seeing what is successful. Then the same guys tend to win because they are the best at exploiting the game to find success. They are able to still stay narrowly within the rule sets and piss off other members because they all see what is happening.
        Then you are in, or have played in some shoddy leagues.
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        • Greencollarbaseball
          Pro
          • Jun 2012
          • 926

          #79
          Re: Which do you prefer Offline or Online?

          I play in an online franchise with one buddy, he's the dolphins and I'm the bears so it's essentially an offline franchise until we meet in the super bowl or when we play each other during the season every 5 years.


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          • ODogg
            Hall Of Fame
            • Feb 2003
            • 37953

            #80
            Re: Which do you prefer Offline or Online?

            Originally posted by Dj_MyTime
            It's not personal, this is forum where opinions are expressed is it not...if you guys wanna play A.I. by all means, but the game in my opinion is better vs ''real'' competition.
            You need to amend that..It's better vs "real" competition if you can find people that play with a semblance of real respect for how the sport is played.

            It's not "better" in any way to me to witness the Patriots long bombing it 3 times in a row incomplete and then HAIL MARY'ing it on 4th and 37 from their own 10 in the 1st quarter.

            No sir, the AI may not be the best but it wouldn't do that kind of stupidity.

            So yes, I 100% agree it's better versus a human but only if they respect the sport and play it in that manner. Otherwise, forget it, give me the AI any day.
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            • aholbert32
              (aka Alberto)
              • Jul 2002
              • 33106

              #81
              Re: Which do you prefer Offline or Online?

              Originally posted by ODogg
              You need to amend that..It's better vs "real" competition if you can find people that play with a semblance of real respect for how the sport is played.

              It's not "better" in any way to me to witness the Patriots long bombing it 3 times in a row incomplete and then HAIL MARY'ing it on 4th and 37 from their own 10 in the 1st quarter.

              No sir, the AI may not be the best but it wouldn't do that kind of stupidity.

              So yes, I 100% agree it's better versus a human but only if they respect the sport and play it in that manner. Otherwise, forget it, give me the AI any day.




              This.

              I'm 39 yrs old with a wife, kid and a full time job. When I find the time to play Madden, I want to play as close to a sim game as possible. While there are leagues or individuals who play sim, my schedule has to work with them in order to get a realistic/sim game. That gets much harder as you get older.

              I'm offline only and probably will be for the rest of my life.

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              • ForUntoOblivionSoar∞
                MVP
                • Dec 2009
                • 4682

                #82
                Re: Which do you prefer Offline or Online?

                Originally posted by aholbert32


                This.

                I'm 39 yrs old with a wife, kid and a full time job. When I find the time to play Madden, I want to play as close to a sim game as possible. While there are leagues or individuals who play sim, my schedule has to work with them in order to get a realistic/sim game. That gets much harder as you get older.

                I'm offline only and probably will be for the rest of my life.
                Scheduling/location is a bigger conflict than finding other sim people. There are plenty of sim minded online CFM people out there. Unfortunately the ones who have flexible enough schedules to do it tend to be college age. For older people like yourself, it's really, really hard.

                One guy who runs a somewhat famous sim league allegedly lost a girlfriend due to his necessary committeemen to the league. Guy by the name of JazzyJeff or something like that.

                But fathers with kids can't afford the necessary commitment, lest their wives make them sleep on the couch. Therein lies the true roadblock to sim online CFM for most people, and it's why improving the A.I. is so important.
                Originally posted by Therebelyell626
                I am going to create a team called "the happy town fundament rapscallions" and hurt your already diminishing image
                https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2049813056

                Last edited by your mom; 06-06-2006 at 6:06 PM.

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                • K_GUN
                  C*t*z*n *f RSN
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 3891

                  #83
                  Re: Which do you prefer Offline or Online?

                  Originally posted by aholbert32
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                  This.



                  I'm 39 yrs old with a wife, kid and a full time job. When I find the time to play Madden, I want to play as close to a sim game as possible. While there are leagues or individuals who play sim, my schedule has to work with them in order to get a realistic/sim game. That gets much harder as you get older.



                  I'm offline only and probably will be for the rest of my life.


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                  • ForUntoOblivionSoar∞
                    MVP
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 4682

                    #84
                    Re: Which do you prefer Offline or Online?

                    Still, if you have a flexible enough schedule, not much beats being in an online franchise league with sim minded people.
                    Originally posted by Therebelyell626
                    I am going to create a team called "the happy town fundament rapscallions" and hurt your already diminishing image
                    https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2049813056

                    Last edited by your mom; 06-06-2006 at 6:06 PM.

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                    • Unlucky 13
                      MVP
                      • Apr 2009
                      • 1707

                      #85
                      Re: Which do you prefer Offline or Online?

                      Originally posted by aholbert32
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                      This.

                      I'm 39 yrs old with a wife, kid and a full time job. When I find the time to play Madden, I want to play as close to a sim game as possible. While there are leagues or individuals who play sim, my schedule has to work with them in order to get a realistic/sim game. That gets much harder as you get older.

                      I'm offline only and probably will be for the rest of my life.
                      Yup. I'm 39, with a wife and two kids. I only game after 10pm when I get the chance.

                      Plus, I cannot get broadband where I live, no matter how I want it. So for me, offline is a mandate. Haven't seen anyone else mention that yet. There are about 30-40 million Americans who don't have access.
                      Anyone who claims to be a fan of two teams in the same pro sport is actually a fan of none.

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                      • SyncereBlackout
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                        • Aug 2014
                        • 828

                        #86
                        Re: Which do you prefer Offline or Online?

                        Originally posted by aholbert32
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                        This.



                        I'm 39 yrs old with a wife, kid and a full time job. When I find the time to play Madden, I want to play as close to a sim game as possible. While there are leagues or individuals who play sim, my schedule has to work with them in order to get a realistic/sim game. That gets much harder as you get older.



                        I'm offline only and probably will be for the rest of my life.


                        I may be right behind you. I still play online only CFM but max 18 users for the reasons outlined above.

                        Practice? Yeah right. Hard enough finding time in the 48 hour window to play. I've been running an online CFM since inception and NCAA, never won a Super Bowl. Ever (worst commish on the sticks)

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                        • huskerfan4life
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                          • Jul 2007
                          • 926

                          #87
                          Re: Which do you prefer Offline or Online?

                          I basically play offline, but I will do the MUT solo missions
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                          • extremeskins04
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                            • Aug 2010
                            • 3864

                            #88
                            Re: Which do you prefer Offline or Online?

                            Offline CFM player. Have been for years and not stopping now.

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                            • SilverBullet19
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2015
                              • 4089

                              #89
                              Re: Which do you prefer Offline or Online?

                              offline franchise for me.

                              I have tried head-to-head at times. The human challenge is fun, but there's just too many issues of people using the same play over and over because it glitches in their favor (happened a lot when I did online in NCAA), quitting when they're losing so you don't get a win, obnoxious trash talk, etc.

                              I also tried a connected franchise with friends, but it's just too hard getting everyone on a schedule to play. Offline I can play whenever I want, and have no issues.

                              The final nail in the online NCAA coffin for me was a guy playing with Northwestern. He ran the same play. every. time. He had found a glitch on an option pass that left a receiver wide open every time for about 15-20 yards. I was pissed, but pressed on. Finally, in the 2nd quarter, I figured out how to stop it. 2nd down he tried again, stopped it. 3rd down, stopped it. 4th down...stopped it. He IMMEDIATELY said "F*** this, this is bulls**t!" into his mic and quit.

                              he was winning 31-21...he just knew he couldn't win without that play.
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                              • OhMrHanky
                                MVP
                                • Aug 2012
                                • 1898

                                #90
                                Re: Which do you prefer Offline or Online?

                                Originally posted by SilverBullet19
                                offline franchise for me.



                                I have tried head-to-head at times. The human challenge is fun, but there's just too many issues of people using the same play over and over because it glitches in their favor (happened a lot when I did online in NCAA), quitting when they're losing so you don't get a win, obnoxious trash talk, etc.



                                I also tried a connected franchise with friends, but it's just too hard getting everyone on a schedule to play. Offline I can play whenever I want, and have no issues.



                                The final nail in the online NCAA coffin for me was a guy playing with Northwestern. He ran the same play. every. time. He had found a glitch on an option pass that left a receiver wide open every time for about 15-20 yards. I was pissed, but pressed on. Finally, in the 2nd quarter, I figured out how to stop it. 2nd down he tried again, stopped it. 3rd down, stopped it. 4th down...stopped it. He IMMEDIATELY said "F*** this, this is bulls**t!" into his mic and quit.



                                he was winning 31-21...he just knew he couldn't win without that play.


                                Lol. I think I had a similar experience years ago playing vs the steelers. This guy just kept running the HB option pass with Jerome Bettis. Lol. I could not stop it. I tried playing as a MLB, I tried the S, I tried the CB, linemen, I tried zone, I tried man. I just couldn't figure it out in that particular game. He beat me. And, that was the last time I played online for like 8-10 years. Lol.

                                U know? It's just one bad stupid game like that that taints it. And, for that version of madden, it's quite possible that was an unstoppable play. Maybe not. But, either way, it just killed me that someone would even want to throw a HB option that often.


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