Another good article on lack of CFM improvements by game informer

[roadman]

Re: Another good article on lack of CFM improvements by game informer

I get we are in an 'excuse' era right now where it's acceptable to be unaccountable and 'average'. But 2 things carry across all eras: 1) If you sit back and just 'take it' you get nothing. 2) the squeaky wheel gets the oil. The Franchise wheel just might start squeaking loud enough this year.

You had me to this point.

Agree with #1, and disagree with #2. CCM/CFM has been a sticking point for this forum the past 5 years here with a lot of yelling and screaming, yet, no results,

It's similar to Big when states in some of his post, they, (EA), will make the game they want. It takes a heckuva long time to see suggestions from this site implemented into the game.

Their priorities don't always match our priorities.

[UFCMPunk]

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Let me tell u something, man. If NBA live gets a weekly update show THIS YEAR, I will devote the rest of my life to bringing EA DOWN!!! Lol. For not putting it in madden, first.

Let Me tell you something, brother! If NBA Live gets a weekly update show this year dude. I will bodyslam EA Sports just like I body slammed Andre The Giant in the Silverdome..... Fixed it for you lol.

On a more serious note, I think it speaks volumes that sites are now taking notice and calling out EA for their lack of improvements in CFM. It's great that Rex tweeted about Deuce's thread but he made that last year and has constantly made updates to the OP with new ideas, new UI formats, etc. Maybe we will get to see Deuce's thread be an inspiration in years to come but track record will have us always asking... WHEN? Madden 19, Madden 20, Madden 24, etc.

What really would be interesting to me is how many gamers who play Madden, don't follow NBA or MLB yet play The Show or NBA 2K because of what their franchises modes offers compared to Madden's Franchise. Which may or may not be part of why these big sites are calling out EA for lack of CFM improvements because of what The Show has, or what NBA 2K has done and then look at Madden and go... meh.

Maybe more articles will come out speaking on this and it will lead to a true overhaul and more real life nfl depth(5th Year Option, Choosing your Gameday Rosters(Inactive/Active), Coach Carousel, etc.

[adembroski]

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Let me tell u something, man. If NBA live gets a weekly update show THIS YEAR, I will devote the rest of my life to bringing EA DOWN!!! Lol. For not putting it in madden, first.

And, it would be nice, actually if game mags did give madden lower scores for lack of CFM options. That should be a part of every sports game score. And, with everything being said, that could knock it down from 9/10 to 7.5/10 or something. And, with reviews specifically knocking lack of CFM, that could direct management some, possibly.


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Nice promo, but EA's gonna go over in that match.

[extremeskins04]

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I absolutely love and hate Deuce's CFM post/blog.

I love it because it's the way Madden CFM should be and practically every single point and feature he puts into it actually makes sense and fits what Madden needs.

I hate it because it's extremely depressing knowing that we are a VERY long way off from seeing something like what Deuce posted, if we ever see it. Considering how Madden has been developed over the years and what's been put into it (CFM-wise), it would take them an insurmountable amount of time and effort to not only develop something like that but also QA the heck out of it to make sure it doesn't break the entire game.

It's nice that Rex acknowledged it and gave Deuce his long overdue props for it, and as much as Rex probably loves the ideas, he's probably thinking "hmmm, Madden 2030 maybe?"

I mean EA would have to devote a ton of "dev manpower" and "QA manpower" to that kind of a project and it would take away from their money-making MUT mode.

I can still dream though...

[Toupal]

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They took resources from Madden to put into a game that is getting CRUSHED by 2k. 2k, a game that is referenced on a football game forum way more than it should.

We see the resources EA is tearing away from Madden in order to compete. Could you imagine if it were the other way around????

The idea of being able to share features with NBA Live scares me more than it does excite me. Because honestly, this just sounds like another excuse for them NOT to put something into Maddens' CFM.

I can already hear it.... "We would like to add this feature, but it doesn't fit to the framework of NBA Live."

They have had the exclusive rights to the NFL for almost 11 years now, and Franchise Mode has removed and washed down more features than it added, and they will continue this streak for a long time to come. I mean there is a reason EA was voted "The Worst Company Ever". And it the way they have run Madden has been just an example of their work.

[howboutdat]

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Yes, and some people in this forum want to minimalize our discussions as just the 'complainers' of OS. It's quite clear that it's bigger and realized by more people than that.

I laugh when people, and EA, say Franchise is "good" or "improved". Compared to what? is the question that comes first to mind. You can only be compared to your past efforts and present 'competition'. is CFM 'improved' over M13/CCM mistake? Sure. Over the rushed $ grab of the 1st PS3/360 year? sure. But we're comparing it to inferior, stripped down versions. It's where we're supposed to and should be by now that irritates at least this football gamer.

I get we are in an 'excuse' era right now where it's acceptable to be unaccountable and 'average'. But 2 things carry across all eras: 1) If you sit back and just 'take it' you get nothing. 2) the squeaky wheel gets the oil. The Franchise wheel just might start squeaking loud enough this year.

Franchise to me is 'playable'. Anyone who thinks Franchise is 'improved' or "already good" needs to take the time and read through DeuceDouglas' thread he just updated. It is a massive effort to remind everyone of what once was in a football Franchise mode (Madden/2K/NCAA/Head Coach) as well as some great additions of his own. Be informed of the past b4 you start saying how great something is today.

Yes, every bit of this 100% . Good compared to what exactly ? Thats like saying , you used to have a BMW, now you have a ford focus. Is the car decent? Sure , is it good? when you have had much better in the past. Nope.

Whether you like or dislike my comments because i state how i feel and how i hear MANY others feel ,especially from online leagues, Does not diminish this is how ALOT of people feel about CFM's current state. I dont just say the things i say, as myself alone, but what i hear accumulatively from alot of sources not just myself.And i can assure you, despite the numbers EA wants to toss around about people playing more and longer, that does not prove the mode is "good or better" when you look at what we have had in the past.The issue today is, you can find data/numbers to almost argue any point you want to make, to make your point right. It frustrates people we are in an era of much , much more powerful consoles, yet have to settle for mediocre additions and features.The game mode that gets played the most, saw usage go up almost 100%, and yet gets the least amount of resources( or sure seems to).What about that data?There is always a good excuse but little action.

I have run a very successful online league since madden 12.We have played year round have 60 + seasons worth under my belt doing this. Alot of very good guys, who are not " just whinners or complainers " are all saying the same things im saying here and is why i do.Most dont use social media, and most wont come here, for reasons im not going into. But i will tell you this, i have never before heard the talk i have heard since the news of CFM not getting much this year before. People are FED UP.Im saying this not only as my self, but as one who talks to numerous other online commishes on the reg.People are just fed up with madden at this point.Between the gameplay issues and the lack of respect CFM gets, they are just pissed.The real breaking point was this past year.They hyped up CFM as a focus and most resources ever, and no matter how the lovers of EA want to spin it, it was a total let down. Now to hear its not getting much this year, man guys are very pissed and are seriously thinking about not buying madden again.

You may say, no big deal.But im saying this as one who knows these people. They have lost all hope in madden ever being what they want it to be.Since madden 12 we have made alot of good friendships thru this , and honestly is the only reason most of us have even put up with madden to this point to be honest.But thats about to change,alot of guys are very seriously debating giving up madden all together and instead spending their 60 $ on a quality game they can enjoy instead.Again, to them its more than just giving up a game, its not being as close to friends they have made and just walking away from whats brought us together.Sure we would still be in contact, but not like we are on the daily now more than likely.So when i , as a commish , hear people seriously giving these things thought,as well as myself, CFM is NOT good now.Sorry,but that is data i see and use to judge the mode.

On one hand it saddens me,but i knew it would come to this. Just odd to me for people to say EA cares so much about CFM, yet this is the outcome we get in all that caring.Hard for me to believe it.And this is not because of the Devs, i believe strongly if EA would take off the handcuffs and allow them the freedom and resources, madden would be great.And in all honesty EA would see the sales go up, just like they wish they would, if they at the top would just stop thinking they know so much and let them make madden great again.

[Toupal]

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Yes, every bit of this 100% . Good compared to what exactly ? Thats like saying , you used to have a BMW, now you have a ford focus. Is the car decent? Sure , is it good? when you have had much better in the past. Nope.

Whether you like or dislike my comments because i state how i feel and how i hear MANY others feel ,especially from online leagues, Does not diminish this is how ALOT of people feel about CFM's current state. I dont just say the things i say, as myself alone, but what i hear accumulatively from alot of sources not just myself.And i can assure you, despite the numbers EA wants to toss around about people playing more and longer, that does not prove the mode is "good or better" when you look at what we have had in the past.The issue today is, you can find data/numbers to almost argue any point you want to make, to make your point right. It frustrates people we are in an era of much , much more powerful consoles, yet have to settle for mediocre additions and features.The game mode that gets played the most, saw usage go up almost 100%, and yet gets the least amount of resources( or sure seems to).What about that data?There is always a good excuse but little action.

I have run a very successful online league since madden 12.We have played year round have 60 + seasons worth under my belt doing this. Alot of very good guys, who are not " just whinners or complainers " are all saying the same things im saying here and is why i do.Most dont use social media, and most wont come here, for reasons im not going into. But i will tell you this, i have never before heard the talk i have heard since the news of CFM not getting much this year before. People are FED UP.Im saying this not only as my self, but as one who talks to numerous other online commishes on the reg.People are just fed up with madden at this point.Between the gameplay issues and the lack of respect CFM gets, they are just pissed.The real breaking point was this past year.They hyped up CFM as a focus and most resources ever, and no matter how the lovers of EA want to spin it, it was a total let down. Now to hear its not getting much this year, man guys are very pissed and are seriously thinking about not buying madden again.

You may say, no big deal.But im saying this as one who knows these people. They have lost all hope in madden ever being what they want it to be.Since madden 12 we have made alot of good friendships thru this , and honestly is the only reason most of us have even put up with madden to this point to be honest.But thats about to change,alot of guys are very seriously debating giving up madden all together and instead spending their 60 $ on a quality game they can enjoy instead.Again, to them its more than just giving up a game, its not being as close to friends they have made and just walking away from whats brought us together.Sure we would still be in contact, but not like we are on the daily now more than likely.So when i , as a commish , hear people seriously giving these things thought,as well as myself, CFM is NOT good now.Sorry,but that is data i see and use to judge the mode.

On one hand it saddens me,but i knew it would come to this. Just odd to me for people to say EA cares so much about CFM, yet this is the outcome we get in all that caring.Hard for me to believe it.And this is not because of the Devs, i believe strongly if EA would take off the handcuffs and allow them the freedom and resources, madden would be great.And in all honesty EA would see the sales go up, just like they wish they would, if they at the top would just stop thinking they know so much and let them make madden great again.

You hit the nail on the head.

And in the last few years, I haven't seen as many people get labeled as "whiners" or "haters". I think people have every reason to be pissed, however no one can hold EA accountable . They only way to speak to EA is through money and purchases. And I'm hoping enough people can put a dent into Maddens sales to make a difference.

The only think that would make me happier than getting the additions we have been asking for and deserve, is an interview where they get grilled for having such a lackluster CFM. I want real answers as to why Madden is as dull as it is compared to other sports titles. Not some run around answer like they've been feeding us for the past decade.

[howboutdat]

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no one can hold EA accountable .

That right there is part of the problem.When there is always excuses, then no one is to blame. Our society is now based on that and if you dare try to hold someone accountable, then your in the wrong for expecting something good.Unless you just sugar coat it to death so no one's feelings might get hurt.Basically just water down the truth to sound nice. That is what is wrong with this world today in a nutshell.

The only think that would make me happier than getting the additions we have been asking for and deserve, is an interview where they get grilled for having such a lackluster CFM. I want real answers as to why Madden is as dull as it is compared to other sports titles. Not some run around answer like they've been feeding us for the past decade.

That wont happen sadly. The only answers they are allowed to give are run around , typical business responses. Its just like trying to ask a politician why they didnt vote in good bill or out a bad one. You will never get the real facts because everything has to be " protected" now in days.Businesses dont want customers knowing the 100% truth behind things, because they know it will piss people off. I get it, i just dont like it because i believe in being honest. I was brought up to believe half truth is still a lie.

[roadman]

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Well, I'm sure this will be counted as Rex is lying.

More goodwill towards Duece from Rex:

Very thorough write up. @EA_White and I will definitely go through it all. Thanks @DeuceDouglas

[howboutdat]

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Well, I'm sure this will be counted as Rex is lying.

More goodwill towards Duece from Rex:

Very thorough write up. @EA_White and I will definitely go through it all. Thanks @DeuceDouglas

i wouldnt call it lying, im sure they will go thru it, but no where does that say , we will get right on it either.I mean it would take until 2060 at this rate to get all that in there anyways.So can we expect alot of it ?prob not in reality.So its a nice gesture , but i am surprised how a mode he calls "already good" could still need so much and he basically admit that by highlighting the article that was very well done.

And let me state before someone points out something im not saying and says i am saying it.Im sure Rex would be all for adding it all as would John and the CFM Team, its something they would all be very proud of and should be if they added it. But we all know that will not be allowed, because the big dogs aint giving them what they need, havent and wont going forward. Im surprised some think they will, based on what?When have they in last 10 years given the franchise dev team what they really need to make franchise great again?

[roadman]

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i wouldnt call it lying, im sure they will go thru it, but no where does that say , we will get right on it either.I mean it would take until 2060 at this rate to get all that in there anyways.So can we expect alot of it ?prob not in reality.So its a nice gesture , but i am surprised how a mode he calls "already good" could still need so much and he basically admit that by highlighting the article that was very well done.

And let me state before someone points out something im not saying and says i am saying it.Im sure Rex would be all for adding it all as would John and the CFM Team, its something they would all be very proud of and should be if they added it. But we all know that will not be allowed, because the big dogs aint giving them what they need, havent and wont going forward. Im surprised some think they will, based on what?When have they in last 10 years given the franchise dev team what they really need to make franchise great again?

No, no way that will be added all in one year, but if several of those items were added next year and the following years, I would be a happy camper and I think others would be too. I know history shows otherwise, but at least this should be considered a glimmer of hope at the least.

Some are acting it's too late to be happy if some of those additions are added in the next several years. Yes, it's ok to feel burned from the past, but I would hope there is a glimmer of hope that Rex will share this info with John White.

And to bring up your last point, I agree. Some people on Twitter are calling for John White's job. That's going a bit too far with the state of affairs, I don't think Duece wants that, either. As you said, they are being handcuffed at the current moment, but I think we see some additions to CFM in 19 and more. I'm getting to0 old if that isn't the case.

[howboutdat]

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And to bring up your last point, I agree. Some people on Twitter are calling for John White's job. That's going a bit too far with the state of affairs, I don't think Duece wants that, either. As you said, they are being handcuffed at the current moment, but I think we see some additions to CFM in 19 and more. I'm getting to old if that isn't the case.

Yeah i saw that, and people are just , well dumb for saying that quite frankly. John has been a good head of CFM and im sure it was not his choice to go work on Live.He has been the best head of CFM as far as im concerned. He is the only one who has taken the time to respond to my DMs on twitter, listen , and talk with me on things.As i stated before, i told him about not being able to put people on auto from the app after they updated the app.He didnt even know that the update caused that issue. He stayed in communication with me until they got it resolved, asking me to check and see if it was working yet.The guy does really try, what is so frustrating is knowing they have people like him and rex in place that could do great things with madden, but they are not allowed to.Also what worries me there is,how long will they put up with the handcuffs before they themselves get fed up with it?Then what? just start all over again in a new direction.

Yeah i know the montra, its a business.Well 1 thing i know about business, make a great product, it will sell and you will have more sells from word of mouth than you think from doing that.Think about all the people who have already stopped buying madden over the last 10 years and refuse to. Now imagine they hearing from everyone playing it, things have finally really turned around.Im not sure why thats so hard for the big dogs to understand .

[roadman]

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Yeah i know the montra, its a business.Well 1 thing i know about business, make a great product, it will sell and you will have more sells from word of mouth than you think from doing that.Think about all the people who have already stopped buying madden over the last 10 years and refuse to. Now imagine they hearing from everyone playing it, things have finally really turned around.Im not sure why thats so hard for the big dogs to understand .

It's because they see the same sales volume stay the same or slightly increased over the past few years.

If they saw a drop in the bottom line, maybe they would go in a direction that is favorable.

All those people that stopped buying over the past decade have been replaced by a newer generation.

[timhere1970]

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No, no way that will be added all in one year, but if several of those items were added next year and the following years, I would be a happy camper and I think others would be too. I know history shows otherwise, but at least this should be considered a glimmer of hope at the least.

Some are acting it's too late to be happy if some of those additions are added in the next several years. Yes, it's ok to feel burned from the past, but I would hope there is a glimmer of hope that Rex will share this info with John White.

And to bring up your last point, I agree. Some people on Twitter are calling for John White's job. That's going a bit too far with the state of affairs, I don't think Duece wants that, either. As you said, they are being handcuffed at the current moment, but I think we see some additions to CFM in 19 and more. I'm getting to0 old if that isn't the case.

Hopefully, we see '19 have some cfm improvements. The problem is we are always waiting for the game that may come out next time before this year's game is released. Deuce's article that Rex recently referenced came out before madden '17. That was before the, "biggest franchise Improvement ever" came out. Franchise may get better over the years but the pace ea is willing to go means we will never have an immersive franchise as long as they are the only comany making the game. I will still buy it and play it as i love me some football but interest will wane quickly when I start my basketball franchise. In fact, I am going home tonight to make a big decision on which future hall of famer I can afford to keep at 31 years old and which I am going to have to let walk. I have thought of that a lot today while madden, my favorite sport by far hasn't been in my console in over six months.

[roadman]

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Hopefully, we see '19 have some cfm improvements. The problem is we are always waiting for the game that may come out next time before this year's game is released. Deuce's article that Rex recently referenced came out before madden '17. That was before the, "biggest franchise Improvement ever" came out. Franchise may get better over the years but the pace ea is willing to go means we will never have an immersive franchise as long as they are the only comany making the game. I will still buy it and play it as i love me some football but interest will wane quickly when I start my basketball franchise. In fact, I am going home tonight to make a big decision on which future hall of famer I can afford to keep at 31 years old and which I am going to have to let walk. I have thought of that a lot today while madden, my favorite sport by far hasn't been in my console in over six months.

I'm thinking this is the first time Rex has seen the article and had time to read it.

I'm just the opposite, I have Madden in the console because of game play and the basketball game ****ting on the shelf lately because of game play.

I do agree CFM needs some major attention for players to get back into Madden.