Does Madden Cheat so CPU wins?

[JayCutlersCig]

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Anyone else sick of the mandatory false starts from the AI offense whenever they get close to the red zone?

On defense, I’ve had the AI offense get five false start penalties in a row. You have to call a timeout to stop it; I wanted to see how far it could go and had offenses at 1st and 40 before.

[burth179]

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Not sure if I'd say they "cheat" but there are definitely certain games where the game is programmed to be tougher than others, and it seems to be pre-determined before the game even starts.

In Madden, Penalties will go against you, the AI QB will be 95% completion %, etc.

And that's not to say it's impossible to win (far from it), it's just trying REALLY hard to screw you over in random games here and there. It is what it is.

[Thunderhorse]

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This game is scripted and the people who try to defend it are incredibly ignorant or just flat out dense.

[kehlis]

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This game is scripted and the people who try to defend it are incredibly ignorant or just flat out dense.

Let's not use insults please.

Make your point maturely, not aggressively.

[Thunderhorse]

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Let's not use insults please.

Make your point maturely, not aggressively.

Perhaps denial?

[kehlis]

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Perhaps denial?

Not interested in a back and forth.

It's a pretty simple ask. You can take it or leave it. Up to you.

[Hooe]

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This game is scripted

You do realize how utterly impossible it would be for Tiburon to have rigid scripted sequences for every user's games across millions of consoles, each with different final scores, stats, scenarios, and human / CPU opponents?

That said, the blocked field goal sequence is clearly a special case where if a user times inputs incredibly precisely it triggers a canned block-kick set of animations depending on which player of the three eligible kick blockers the user is controlling. The CPU, if it gets a good dice roll and you don't achieve a perfect kick (100% power, no over-kick, 100% accuracy; you'll see a blue pulse under your kicker when you pull it off), can pull off blocked field goals as well, obviously.

In addition, achieving a perfect kick will prevent user opponents from pulling off a blocked field goal as well.

[NinersFan49]

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You do realize how utterly impossible it would be for Tiburon to have rigid scripted sequences for every user's games across millions of consoles, each with different final scores, stats, scenarios, and human / CPU opponents?

It isn't rigidly scripted for every game for every user. It's more of a loose scripting algorithm that guides the game in a certain direction. Like if one team (user or cpu) gets too far ahead early, it will slow them down and allow the other team to catch up.

It will force a loss on the user very rarely, mostly it just wants the game to follow a pattern.

[roadman]

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It isn't rigidly scripted for every game for every user. It's more of a loose scripting algorithm that guides the game in a certain direction. Like if one team (user or cpu) gets too far ahead early, it will slow them down and allow the other team to catch up.

It will force a loss on the user very rarely, mostly it just wants the game to follow a pattern.

So, that could be similar to what the NFL experiences on Sunday's sometimes.

Take for instance last weeks Browns vs Packers game. Browns, the worst team in the league, had a 21 to 7 lead going into the 4th quarter. The game started to guide towards the Packers direction in the 4th quarter and the game went into OT with the Packers prevailing and winning in OT.

Same with the SB last year, a tale of 2 halves and close to 2.5 halves.

[JayhawkerStL]

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Sports fans ought to be required to a take a course in statistics. The same logical fallacies you see in this thread are common when fans talk about real life sports.

The number one problem developers face when trying to make sports games sim is that the people judging its "sim-ness" often have misconceptions about what that means, and sometimes, are just clueless. The more realistic the game, less likely many fans are to believe it is not scripted.

Honestly, every time this comes up, all it does is out the guys that I never want to have sports discussions with. It's not different than every poker game I play, where the certain niche of gamer will scream that the cards are not random and are set to force action and make it so that bigger hands like flushes and straights are more common. Prominence Poker finally just put a stickied thread up about card randomization. It doesn't stop the endless complaining, but it does seem to keep it in one thread.

That niche of gamer sees sports games as a platform for them to show how smart and logical they are. When they play and get different results, they will never, ever, look at what they can do different. Best case scenario, they will tweak sliders to get the results they want from their poor decisions. And if they lose, it sure as hell wasn't their fault.

The worst was the fix for the NHL game in which gamers adjusted sliders so that CPU teams would not alter their strategies anymore. Because they weren't altering theirs, so late in the game, when the CPU would go more aggressive, they called it comeback code. Even though the game has a ton of tools to adjust strategy on the fly, to play more conservative, to focus on getting your third line more minutes because fatigue sets in when you are on defense longer, the "fix" was to make the CPU dumber than them.

[Shogunreaper]

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Probably the best way to describe it.

was that before the qb ai patch?

because the cpu never misses a sack opportunity on me.

[Thunderhorse]

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So, that could be similar to what the NFL experiences on Sunday's sometimes.

Take for instance last weeks Browns vs Packers game. Browns, the worst team in the league, had a 21 to 7 lead going into the 4th quarter. The game started to guide towards the Packers direction in the 4th quarter and the game went into OT with the Packers prevailing and winning in OT.

Same with the SB last year, a tale of 2 halves and close to 2.5 halves.

I didn't watch the Browns game, I do know they have been the most incompetent team in football for 2 years running. (I also want to say it is absolutely tragic, and that organization should be absolutely ashamed of themselves for letting down that fanbase in such consistent ways. Eventually your fanbase deserves better). The Patriots adjusted in the second half. You've used this line of thinking before but in my opinion it is not applicable here and is essentially a poor excuse. I've lived in Atlanta for 14 years now, they have a history of breaking down in the second half.

It wasn't some magical statistical number pulled out of a hidden algorithm that enabled the Patriots to come back. They adjusted their offensive scheme and took Dwight Freeney out of the game by essentially turning Martellus Bennett into an extra offensive tackle. In addition to that, Shannahan called an abysmal second half. Atlanta refused to run the ball to work the clock and New England not only took advantage of that, but also proved they could play a superior physical game over 60 minutes vs. the 30 minutes Atlanta could put up. New England has also been there before, and Belichick is obviously the greatest coach in the history of the game. He was an incredible defensive coordinator in New York, too.

[Thunderhorse]

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Sports fans ought to be required to a take a course in statistics. The same logical fallacies you see in this thread are common when fans talk about real life sports.

The number one problem developers face when trying to make sports games sim is that the people judging its "sim-ness" often have misconceptions about what that means, and sometimes, are just clueless. The more realistic the game, less likely many fans are to believe it is not scripted.

Honestly, every time this comes up, all it does is out the guys that I never want to have sports discussions with. It's not different than every poker game I play, where the certain niche of gamer will scream that the cards are not random and are set to force action and make it so that bigger hands like flushes and straights are more common. Prominence Poker finally just put a stickied thread up about card randomization. It doesn't stop the endless complaining, but it does seem to keep it in one thread.

That niche of gamer sees sports games as a platform for them to show how smart and logical they are. When they play and get different results, they will never, ever, look at what they can do different. Best case scenario, they will tweak sliders to get the results they want from their poor decisions. And if they lose, it sure as hell wasn't their fault.

The worst was the fix for the NHL game in which gamers adjusted sliders so that CPU teams would not alter their strategies anymore. Because they weren't altering theirs, so late in the game, when the CPU would go more aggressive, they called it comeback code. Even though the game has a ton of tools to adjust strategy on the fly, to play more conservative, to focus on getting your third line more minutes because fatigue sets in when you are on defense longer, the "fix" was to make the CPU dumber than them.

I don't understand the "sim" crowd and I stopped using the term a couple of years ago because I began to see I am not in that mold.

If one demands "simulation", how do they even accept user input? If we are talking about a game like NFL head coach back in the day, I understand the simulation perspective. The user takes the role of the coach and the players play with minimal user input. That is closer to a simulation.

I personally don't understand how people want user input and user "skill" to be parts of the game, but also demand a simulated stat line to maintain some kind of average of what the typical NFL game is. The community hasn't been able to uniformly define what "simulation" means for some time, probably because they do not understand what a full out "sim" is.

[roadman]

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I didn't watch the Browns game, I do know they have been the most incompetent team in football for 2 years running. (I also want to say it is absolutely tragic, and that organization should be absolutely ashamed of themselves for letting down that fanbase in such consistent ways. Eventually your fanbase deserves better). The Patriots adjusted in the second half. You've used this line of thinking before but in my opinion it is not applicable here and is essentially a poor excuse. I've lived in Atlanta for 14 years now, they have a history of breaking down in the second half.

It wasn't some magical statistical number pulled out of a hidden algorithm that enabled the Patriots to come back. They adjusted their offensive scheme and took Dwight Freeney out of the game by essentially turning Martellus Bennett into an extra offensive tackle. In addition to that, Shannahan called an abysmal second half. Atlanta refused to run the ball to work the clock and New England not only took advantage of that, but also proved they could play a superior physical game over 60 minutes vs. the 30 minutes Atlanta could put up. New England has also been there before, and Belichick is obviously the greatest coach in the history of the game. He was an incredible defensive coordinator in New York, too.

Packers had Brett Hundley at QB, so, that could equal out the Browns ineptitude.

All I am saying, without putting video game techno jargon into the equation, is those momentum shifts that happen in Madden , they can also happen in the NFL on any given Sunday.

Now, putting video game jargon into the picture, we can boil it down to human beings vs software.

And you are correct, I have used that line of thinking before, but you are incorrect that I am personally using it as a poor excuse.

It's a matter of opinion and we both have them and both are different options of looking at it.

[Thunderhorse]

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Packers had Brett Hundley at QB, so, that could equal out the Browns ineptitude.

All I am saying, without putting video game techno jargon into the equation, is those momentum shifts that happen in Madden , they can also happen in the NFL on any given Sunday.

Now, putting video game jargon into the picture, we can boil it down to human beings vs software.

And you are correct, I have used that line of thinking before, but you are incorrect that I am personally using it as a poor excuse.

It's a matter of opinion and we both have them and both are different options of looking at it.

I simply agree to disagree then. I don't think a young QB who lacks the talent and experience of Rodgers is an appropriate comparison to a franchise that has clear issues, historically from top to bottom. I assume part of that was sarcasm.

Your sentiment that the momentum shifts are equatable has no base in my opinion, because it does not allow for talent differential between players, coaching ability, and other intangible elements of the sport.