WR not attacking the ball on deep 50/50 balls

[brutusbrown1998]

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This is how catching was tuned back in the day in Madden when you always had to User catch. It's how it should be, IMO.

1. No it wasn’t

2. No it shouldn’t.


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[Phillyboi207]

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1. No it wasn’t

2. No it shouldn’t.


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Yeah it was. User catching used to be all about timing to high point the ball instead of just holding a button.

No comment on the 2nd part. I could take it or leave it.

[bkrich83]

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1. No it wasn’t

2. No it shouldn’t.


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1. Yes it indeed was. That's not even in question.

2. Is personal opinion which is why he said "imo" I believe it should be an option either way.

Yeah it was. User catching used to be all about timing to high point the ball instead of just holding a button.

No comment on the 2nd part. I could take it or leave it.

Exactly!!

[mixxx01]

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I really, really hope that the scenario Clint is talking about only applies to competitive and arcade mode. If I'm playing in simulation mode and a critical third down pass is thrown to Jones with some traffic around him I shouldn't have to user possession catch with him. Shouldn't his awareness and traits dictate that?

Yes they should. I really don’t understand this logic. It’s becoming nonsensical.


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[DeuceDouglas]

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I really, really hope that the scenario Clint is talking about only applies to competitive and arcade mode. If I'm playing in simulation mode and a critical third down pass is thrown to Jones with some traffic around him I shouldn't have to user possession catch with him. Shouldn't his awareness and traits dictate that?

I completely agree with this. I have no issue with my receiver going to the ground if it's in a contextually accurate situation and I'm willing to be pretty lenient on what falls under the "accurate" umbrella as well. If my WR is going to the ground on a WR screen or when he's on a streak and has the CB beat by five yards then, yeah, that's frustrating. But that's a logic issue. I really dislike the idea of having to hold players that I'm not even controlling hands just to get them to do completely basic stuff or more so not do completely stupid stuff.

Example:

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I strongly disagree with the concept that because the RB doesn't have the RAC trait, I am forced to press the button every time just to get him to even react to the pass. I've been under the impression that it was a bug and players not reacting and letting the ball go by or hit them in the head was a result of things not triggering properly but it seems like based on Clint's tweet this is actually a design decision.

[squadron supreme]

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I completely agree with this. I have no issue with my receiver going to the ground if it's in a contextually accurate situation and I'm willing to be pretty lenient on what falls under the "accurate" umbrella as well. If my WR is going to the ground on a WR screen or when he's on a streak and has the CB beat by five yards then, yeah, that's frustrating. But that's a logic issue. I really dislike the idea of having to hold players that I'm not even controlling hands just to get them to do completely basic stuff or more so not do completely stupid stuff.

Example:

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I strongly disagree with the concept that because the RB doesn't have the RAC trait, I am forced to press the button every time just to get him to even react to the pass. I've been under the impression that it was a bug and players not reacting and letting the ball go by or hit them in the head was a result of things not triggering properly but it seems like based on Clint's tweet this is actually a design decision.

What's also infuriating is that I've seen Robinson, White, and Miller in my Bears connected franchise high point and catch touch passes over the middle without me having to user catch. Yet down the sideline, they do nothing.

The same thing has happened when the cpu throws down the sideline or corner routes. Brady was picked off throwing a corner route to Gronk who didn't leave his feet. It was suggested earlier in the thread to try changing the receiver coaching adjustments so that might be my last recourse.

[ASZEMPLE]

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With implementation of the 3 catch types I’ve strongly disliked this feature, and would like it to return to 100% user control and user timing when I decide to catch it and when I don’t let the CPU decide the the right catch and animation, to me overcomplicated things, and at the same time took user control away from usering the WRs and added those ugly two man catching animations.


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[aceoye]

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I have found pushing the button later in the play like when the ball is closer to the intended receiver has helped with 50/50 balls. Purely anecdotal but that’s been my experience.

The biggest problem with this and why its unreliable is that the game has become so animation based that you wont even get an opportunity to try this because the WR and DB are already in animations before the ball gets there rendering user catching useless.

[edaddy]

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I really, really hope that the scenario Clint is talking about only applies to competitive and arcade mode. If I'm playing in simulation mode and a critical third down pass is thrown to Jones with some traffic around him I shouldn't have to user possession catch with him. Shouldn't his awareness and traits dictate that?

I agree with this as well..at some point at least in sim mode ratings and traits should be able to dictate the outcome of the play..I can't remember a Madden where you had to strictly use user catch to make a play ever!!..It was always dictated by a rating and/or trait setting if you didn't user catch..If you think about it we don't user tackle , cover, or shed blocks every play the AI and ratings take over..I assumed competitive mode was made for that purpose Stick skills..This is the only Madden where wr's don't fight for the deep ball..and What makes it worse they just let the ball drop in front of them..

[bkrich83]

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The biggest problem with this and why its unreliable is that the game has become so animation based that you wont even get an opportunity to try this because the WR and DB are already in animations before the ball gets there rendering user catching useless.

I haven’t seen this since at all. This is untrue.


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[aceoye]

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I haven’t seen this since at all. This is untrue.


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This is definitely true. Just because you press the catch button when the receiver attempts to catch when the ball gets close doesn't mean you weren't in an animation while the ball was in the air.

[SilverBullet19]

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The biggest problem with this and why its unreliable is that the game has become so animation based that you wont even get an opportunity to try this because the WR and DB are already in animations before the ball gets there rendering user catching useless.

I’m also gonna disagree here...haven’t seen this at all. I’ve made plenty of user catches on deep passes, missed plenty too, but they are definitely not mid animation by the time the ball is there


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[bkrich83]

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This is definitely true. Just because you press the catch button when the receiver attempts to catch when the ball gets close doesn't mean you weren't in an animation while the ball was in the air.

I know what you’re saying. I guess part of it is how late are you hitting the button but in my experience this is quite simply false.


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[aceoye]

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I’m also gonna disagree here...haven’t seen this at all. I’ve made plenty of user catches on deep passes, missed plenty too, but they are definitely not mid animation by the time the ball is there


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When I get home and delete my xbox DVR I gameclips I'll record some and prove it to you. Wide Receivers are already in animations before the ball is there. Its why it doesn't matter if you attempt or CPU the results are the same on jumpballs

[bkrich83]

WR not attacking the ball on deep 50/50 balls

When I get home and delete my xbox DVR I gameclips I'll record some and prove it to you. Wide Receivers are already in animations before the ball is there. Its why it doesn't matter if you attempt or CPU the results are the same on jumpballs

When are you hitting the catch button? How late in the process.


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