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  • briz1046
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    • May 2013
    • 1017

    #91
    Re: Madden 20 Player Ratings Will Be Much Different Than Before by StickSkillz

    Originally posted by Godgers12
    Ratings alone cannot be used to correctly differentiate players. There could be 2 players with similar ratings that play a completely different way and effect different areas of the game. Such as Aaron Donald and Khalil Mack. 2 completely different players, yet 2 players with similar ratings.

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    We haven't seen a list of these
    " abilities and x factors" but I can imagine one whereby they both have similar abilities too

    Whilst this may accentuate the difference between star players and the rest I'm not convinced it will separate one star from another star ( specifically the two mentioned above ) any more than the current system

    In my opinion a greater impact from ( and gradient between ) the ratings and a development of the already present trait system would have achieved this in a more realistic fashion , but we dont know yet
    Last edited by briz1046; 05-19-2019, 09:19 AM.
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    • Godgers12
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      • Dec 2012
      • 2265

      #92
      Re: Madden 20 Player Ratings Will Be Much Different Than Before by StickSkillz

      Originally posted by briz1046
      We haven't seen a list of these
      " abilities and x factors" but I can imagine one whereby they both have similar abilities too

      Whilst this may accentuate the difference between star players and the rest I'm not convinced it will separate one star from another any more than the current system

      In my opinion a greater impact from ( and gradient between ) the ratings and a development of the already present trait system would have achieved this in a more realistic fashion , but we dont know yet
      Also, I think every development in the game should have varying degrees of abilities, creating specialist type players. Who may have lower ratings, but have traits that work in your system, Bellichick has made a career out of doing that. They should just go to a full fledged badge system similar to 2k.

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      • briz1046
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        • May 2013
        • 1017

        #93
        Re: Madden 20 Player Ratings Will Be Much Different Than Before by StickSkillz

        Originally posted by Godgers12
        Also, I think every development in the game should have varying degrees of abilities, creating specialist type players. Who may have lower ratings, but have traits that work in your system, Bellichick has made a career out of doing that. They should just go to a full fledged badge system similar to 2k.

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        I keep hearing how this system was better than Maddens but I'm not convinced
        I think many people are confusing the merit of the system with how it was executed, that is to say they preferred how APF played so its "system" must be better , rather than its application worked better
        I'd like to see a specific example of badges doing something that ratings and traits can't , assuming equally good execution
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        • adembroski
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          • Jul 2002
          • 5829

          #94
          Re: Madden 20 Player Ratings Will Be Much Different Than Before by StickSkillz

          Originally posted by DaReal Milticket
          Hmm, seems high to me with all this talk on spread out ratings... If this guy is a 74, Murray will be a 78. Going to be interesting if this whole rating thing is actually any different then before or just talk.
          Rashad Penny was a 76, same position, 5 picks later.

          I think you'll see pretty much the same ratings at the top of the draft, but it'll stretch out as it goes down.
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          • illwill10
            Hall Of Fame
            • Mar 2009
            • 19828

            #95
            Re: Madden 20 Player Ratings Will Be Much Different Than Before by StickSkillz

            With Game play stream Thursday, wonder how in depth they will get. I don't think they were that in depth with the Abilities stream. I know it's early, but I would like to see small clips. With gameplay, you can't just talk about it, you have to show an example. I don't want to just hear "With spread out ratings, you will immediately see and feel the difference between elite and averaged players". Thats sounds nice, but without video proof, it still leaves doubt.

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            • roadman
              *ll St*r
              • Aug 2003
              • 26339

              #96
              Re: Madden 20 Player Ratings Will Be Much Different Than Before by StickSkillz

              Originally posted by illwill10
              With Game play stream Thursday, wonder how in depth they will get. I don't think they were that in depth with the Abilities stream. I know it's early, but I would like to see small clips. With gameplay, you can't just talk about it, you have to show an example. I don't want to just hear "With spread out ratings, you will immediately see and feel the difference between elite and averaged players". Thats sounds nice, but without video proof, it still leaves doubt.
              Then it will probably will be in doubt until EA Play.

              I think I've heard no gameplay until EA Play, which is about 2 weeks from now.

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              • illwill10
                Hall Of Fame
                • Mar 2009
                • 19828

                #97
                Re: Madden 20 Player Ratings Will Be Much Different Than Before by StickSkillz

                Originally posted by roadman
                Then it will probably will be in doubt until EA Play.

                I think I've heard no gameplay until EA Play, which is about 2 weeks from now.
                I figured that. I hope they at least go in to vast detail. I understand the other aspects shouldn't be that in detail since things are on going. But Gameplay will be a big make or break for a lot of people.

                I wonder how they continue after EA Play. By then, a lot of core information will be out with almost 2 months out.

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                • khaliib
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                  • Jan 2005
                  • 2884

                  #98
                  Re: Madden 20 Player Ratings Will Be Much Different Than Before by StickSkillz

                  Originally posted by illwill10
                  I figured that. I hope they at least go in to vast detail. I understand the other aspects shouldn't be that in detail since things are on going. But Gameplay will be a big make or break for a lot of people.

                  I wonder how they continue after EA Play. By then, a lot of core information will be out with almost 2 months out.
                  Folk been saying make or break for past 10 yrs and still playing Madden year after year though.

                  It’s a waste of time for them to post any early release videos as folks go l negative hyperbole over a 20sec trailer video.

                  They give us a look inside what they’re doing with throwing motions and folk act line they’re experts on Rogers throwing motion. lol

                  It is hilarious reading folks post about everything Madden though as it leads up to release.

                  In my brief discussion with Clint at EA Play, I mentioned that as a Hum vs CPU player, there is “no grind” to win a game/Super Bowl and/or build a winning team in Franchise.

                  Hopefully this addresses that issue in some form for Offline Hum vs CPU players.

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                  • illwill10
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 19828

                    #99
                    Re: Madden 20 Player Ratings Will Be Much Different Than Before by StickSkillz

                    Originally posted by khaliib
                    Folk been saying make or break for past 10 yrs and still playing Madden year after year though.

                    It’s a waste of time for them to post any early release videos as folks go l negative hyperbole over a 20sec trailer video.

                    They give us a look inside what they’re doing with throwing motions and folk act line they’re experts on Rogers throwing motion. lol

                    It is hilarious reading folks post about everything Madden though as it leads up to release.

                    In my brief discussion with Clint at EA Play, I mentioned that as a Hum vs CPU player, there is “no grind” to win a game/Super Bowl and/or build a winning team in Franchise.

                    Hopefully this addresses that issue in some form for Offline Hum vs CPU players.
                    For a lot of people, yes they do make that "make or break " statement every year. But I definitely don't play every year. Heck, I never bought Madden. I always prefered NCAA, once it stopped I took a few years off Football games. I have been Gameflying it for the last 3 years for just 2 weeks at a time due to other games coming out at that time. I felt 17 was ok and that if 18 improved, I was going to buy it. But once they said at EA play that CFM barely got touched, I quickly lost interest. Then felt the same about 19, that wasn't much of a significant jump to justify a buy, I only rented it for a week.

                    So I am still skeptical about 20. I will definitely rent it for a month since it comes out earlier. But won't buy it unless I'm blown away. I'm a strict Offline User vs. CPU only. So it is important for me to see how gameplay is and if I ever felt the challenge from CPU

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                    • jfsolo
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                      • May 2003
                      • 12965

                      #100
                      Re: Madden 20 Player Ratings Will Be Much Different Than Before by StickSkillz

                      Originally posted by khaliib
                      Folk been saying make or break for past 10 yrs and still playing Madden year after year though.

                      It’s a waste of time for them to post any early release videos as folks go l negative hyperbole over a 20sec trailer video.

                      They give us a look inside what they’re doing with throwing motions and folk act line they’re experts on Rogers throwing motion. lol

                      It is hilarious reading folks post about everything Madden though as it leads up to release.

                      In my brief discussion with Clint at EA Play, I mentioned that as a Hum vs CPU player, there is “no grind” to win a game/Super Bowl and/or build a winning team in Franchise.

                      Hopefully this addresses that issue in some form for Offline Hum vs CPU players.
                      The thing that concerns me is that although they know that some of us want it, I think that they might feel that most of the non vocal Franchise players want it to be relatively easy to build a juggernaut team and win the Super Bowl most years.
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                      • burth179
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                        • Jul 2012
                        • 419

                        #101
                        Re: Madden 20 Player Ratings Will Be Much Different Than Before by StickSkillz

                        I am not sure about this - I mean when we think about the real NFL - outside of the tippy top players - is there really that much difference between NFL players?

                        Now - if the super stars are like 90+, and most of the other players in the 50-60 range - then at that point I think it would be a good idea.

                        But if we are getting a sort of "sliding scale" where players are getting evenly distributed in 80s, 70s, 60s, etc I don't think that actually represents real NFL. Because in reality I don't think there is much difference between the 15th best LT and the 35th best LT in football. It's probably next to nothing. Maybe I am wrong though.

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                        • TheSavageRaven
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                          • May 2019
                          • 8

                          #102
                          Re: Madden 20 Player Ratings Will Be Much Different Than Before by StickSkillz

                          I simply celebrate that the game is attempting to grow each year to get more real. I think the frustration comes from EA Sports being the only company putting work in for an NFL video game which makes the mind wonder what other companies could do if they could afford the license to make the game. We have all played other games and watch them make major leaps in a year or two while madden seems to just put off cleaning the game up and rushing to add new features.

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                          • Aestis
                            AWFL Commish
                            • Feb 2016
                            • 1041

                            #103
                            Re: Madden 20 Player Ratings Will Be Much Different Than Before by StickSkillz

                            Originally posted by burth179
                            I am not sure about this - I mean when we think about the real NFL - outside of the tippy top players - is there really that much difference between NFL players?

                            Now - if the super stars are like 90+, and most of the other players in the 50-60 range - then at that point I think it would be a good idea.

                            But if we are getting a sort of "sliding scale" where players are getting evenly distributed in 80s, 70s, 60s, etc I don't think that actually represents real NFL. Because in reality I don't think there is much difference between the 15th best LT and the 35th best LT in football. It's probably next to nothing. Maybe I am wrong though.

                            There's some truth in what you're saying but the example you gave is a bad one. #15 to #35 LT in the NFL is a pretty marked difference. If one team had the 15th best OL at each position and the next team had #35, it's the difference between a solid offense and a historically terrible OL facing record pressure. Ask any Texans or Vikings fan from this past year.

                            But in Madden, the "in game" difference between LT #15 (let's say 82 OVR as a rough guess) and #35 (say 75 OVR) is very minimal. In CFM you can practically ignore OL as a roster building decision and be fine. In the NFL you'd be toast.
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                            • Kanobi
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                              • Apr 2003
                              • 6054

                              #104
                              Re: Madden 20 Player Ratings Will Be Much Different Than Before by StickSkillz

                              I never understood why Tiburon/EA won't just partner with Pro Football Focus and integrate their analytics for accurate player ratings.

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                              • briz1046
                                MVP
                                • May 2013
                                • 1017

                                #105
                                Re: Madden 20 Player Ratings Will Be Much Different Than Before by StickSkillz

                                Originally posted by Kanobi
                                I never understood why Tiburon/EA won't just partner with Pro Football Focus and integrate their analytics for accurate player ratings.
                                No doubt you will receive replies slamming PFF for not being any good etc but speaking as somebody who does appreciate them this would still not be advisable, at least as a ' copy and paste' type exercise .

                                Whilst I'm sure many of the deeper type analytic data grades , such as route separation, QB accuracies , elusiveness etc already factor heavily , it needs to be remembered that the widely available weekly and seasonal grades only represent performance/success , with no account taken for level of competition , or factors such as playing through injury etc .

                                In most sports strength of schedule and sample size dont factor heavily as teams play each other throughout the season and many more games are played , but for NFL , with only 16 games and against what can be widely variable levels of competition these grades dont truly represent a player necessarily well
                                Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon .... No matter how good you are , the bird is going to **** on the board and strut around like it won anyway .

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