Madden NFL 21 Video - New Pass-Rush Control, Ball Carrier Skill Stick, Open Field Tackling, Authenticity Improvements & More

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  • Grey_Osprey
    Pro
    • Feb 2013
    • 753

    #61
    Re: Madden NFL 21 Video - New Pass-Rush Control, Ball Carrier Skill Stick, Open Field

    I'm concerned about the pass rush control and ball carrier stick skills. EA has a history of poorly implementing features and I worry they will be overpowered and unrealistic like the x-factors/ss abilities.

    A bit deflating to see "celebrate anywhere" as a gameplay bullet point. It would have been nice to see something regarding CPU AI, O-line play, offensive/defensive awareness, zone/man coverage, not being able to run the same play repeatedly, etc. Maybe all that is yet to come?

    Personally, I hope there's a lot more coming, because with what's been released to date, it looks like a decent patch to me. Opinions will vary.

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    • 4thQtrStre5S
      MVP
      • Nov 2013
      • 3051

      #62
      Re: Madden 21 Current Gen Gameplay Deep Dive

      Originally posted by Big Bankhead
      As much as I love franchise mode I’ll say this, if the gameplay is on point and those warping and dumb AI issues are gone, maybe I’ll give this game a chance. Gameplay and AI logic is everything to me. The main gripe I have is, I’m still seeing too many instances of two man animations. I hope the physics they added are properly coded this and doesn’t require a patch to fix/nerf.
      My position as well. I like that tackling has been addressed along with potential clean up of AI issues. I do hope OL sees some love in regards to threat pick up.

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      • jfsolo
        Live Action, please?
        • May 2003
        • 12965

        #63
        Re: Madden NFL 21 Video - New Pass-Rush Control, Ball Carrier Skill Stick, Open Field

        I usually leave Clint alone these days, but I had to tweet at him about the Sherman breakdown tackle clip, where before the tackle happens another defender tries to pick off the pass despite being 5 yards behind the receiver.

        This was fixed a few years ago, but it came back in 19 and 20. They have to fix that poor spacial awareness logic.
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        • canes21
          Hall Of Fame
          • Sep 2008
          • 22932

          #64
          Re: Madden NFL 21 Video - New Pass-Rush Control, Ball Carrier Skill Stick, Open Field

          The breakdowns are nice and something I've been wanting to see for sometime now. However, in the clips showing off the Skill Stick 14.0™, the breakdowns are absent. Yes, I get that they are showing off the running ability and we're obviously going to see successful runs, but we didn't even see any failed breakdowns. We saw some horrendous angles and tackle attempts. I hope that they had the breakdowns disabled for those clips, but I won't give EA the benefit of the doubt. They haven't earned that at this point. I'll need to see proof that the breakdowns happen frequently and efficiently.
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          • jbd345
            MVP
            • Apr 2011
            • 2437

            #65
            Re: Madden NFL 21 Video - New Pass-Rush Control, Ball Carrier Skill Stick, Open Field

            I like it. As others have said, franchise will be the selling point for me. I’m not upgrading to next gen right away. I need to have something to hold me over a few months.

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            • PVarck31
              Moderator
              • Jan 2003
              • 16869

              #66
              Re: Madden NFL 21 Video - New Pass-Rush Control, Ball Carrier Skill Stick, Open Field

              I see a number of improvements I like. In fact, everything in that video made me happy.

              As far as looking like Madden 20, I don't know what you expect it to look like. I've said it before. We have reached the pinnacle of what they can do with graphics in relation to their graphical engine. Current-gen ends in like five months.

              Now I want to see all of this in the next-gen version and more. We've seen a peak of what it will look like, so all of this in there plus hopefully a lot more considering the memory and speed of the new consoles, the game should be great. Should be.

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              • callmetaternuts
                All Star
                • Jul 2004
                • 7045

                #67
                Re: Madden NFL 21 Video - New Pass-Rush Control, Ball Carrier Skill Stick, Open Field

                That video was a step in the right direction. Really wanna hear more about gameplay and AI improvements and then cross my fingers on the franchise stuff.


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                • Kingd803
                  Banned
                  • Feb 2013
                  • 397

                  #68
                  Re: Madden 21 Current Gen Gameplay Deep Dive

                  Originally posted by CM Hooe
                  Guys, 2007 was a long time ago.

                  If you all still want to talk about the 2K football video games, there's a whole forum for that now. I suggest you use it.
                  We need to still talk about them. They’re sadly still relevant. APF’s animation quality is still the standard. And until we get that out of madden I’m going to still y’all about it. And since these two games are football games I’ll will compare them.

                  Like you said 2007 is a long time ago. It’s bull that it APF still has better QB and passing animations. That’s my biggest gripe with the whole deal. And I think it’s fair to hold madden to that standard. Well actually it should be well past that.

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                  • TheGentlemanGhost
                    MVP
                    • Jun 2016
                    • 1321

                    #69
                    Re: Madden NFL 21 Video - New Pass-Rush Control, Ball Carrier Skill Stick, Open Field

                    Not the least bit excited for any of these recycled or slightly polished features. Pass rush is already crazy and the pocket is still nothing like we seen in APF. There’s zero reason to drop Madden 20 for this game, and I’m fine with that. I’m as far as I’ve been in Franchise in M20 and look forward to going even deeper in it since there doesn’t seem to be much to expect from CFM in M21.


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                    • l8knight1
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                      • Aug 2002
                      • 1185

                      #70
                      Re: Madden NFL 21 Video - New Pass-Rush Control, Ball Carrier Skill Stick, Open Field

                      So I get the nerfing of missle tackles, just don’t know why I am supposed to be excited about the removal of jarring tackles. Did you see that Steelers QB get his head taken off? Put that in the game for crying out loud.

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                      • Hassan Darkside
                        We Here
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 7561

                        #71
                        Re: Madden 21 Current Gen Gameplay Deep Dive

                        I was happy to hear they made authenticity improvements to reduce the immersion-breakers, however, it's hard to take seriously when I look over at the mannequins on the sidelines that haven't changed since Madden 06.
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                        • Darth Aegis
                          Lord of Suffering
                          • Jul 2012
                          • 4169

                          #72
                          Re: Madden NFL 21 Video - New Pass-Rush Control, Ball Carrier Skill Stick, Open Field

                          Originally posted by PVarck31
                          I see a number of improvements I like. In fact, everything in that video made me happy.

                          As far as looking like Madden 20, I don't know what you expect it to look like. I've said it before. We have reached the pinnacle of what they can do with graphics in relation to their graphical engine. Current-gen ends in like five months.

                          Now I want to see all of this in the next-gen version and more. We've seen a peak of what it will look like, so all of this in there plus hopefully a lot more considering the memory and speed of the new consoles, the game should be great. Should be.
                          I agree I really like what I'm seeing so far and looks to be improved over M20. The tackling is a breath of fresh air and needed a change. Looking forward to Thursday and hopefully they go more in-depth with the mechanics & see more of the little things.
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                          • illwill10
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 19829

                            #73
                            Re: Madden NFL 21 Video - New Pass-Rush Control, Ball Carrier Skill Stick, Open Field

                            Originally posted by PVarck31
                            I see a number of improvements I like. In fact, everything in that video made me happy.

                            As far as looking like Madden 20, I don't know what you expect it to look like. I've said it before. We have reached the pinnacle of what they can do with graphics in relation to their graphical engine. Current-gen ends in like five months.

                            Now I want to see all of this in the next-gen version and more. We've seen a peak of what it will look like, so all of this in there plus hopefully a lot more considering the memory and speed of the new consoles, the game should be great. Should be.
                            I agree. Once I found out it was the current gen, I didn't expect any significant changes to graphics. This gen pretty much peaked with the move to Frostbite engine. Once you got to Madden 19, only real changes to graphics/visuals would have been lighting because it was towards the back end of generation. Even gameplay, I felt the same way since this is going to be last year this gen gets any meaningful changes. They made some good changes, but it wasn't logical to think you wouldn't see a lot of same animations and issues.

                            Yeah, I'm more interested in Next gen. I hope gameplay is vastly improved. I don't just want it to be an improved version of what we have. I can see the current gen gameplay additions taking inspiration from next gen. Like improved AI, contextual based gameplay, improved locomotion. But I really want to see them more towards physics based gameplay. Less 2-Man animations, less scripting, less shift/morphing, less suction, weight and height mattering, and vastly improved AI. I'll be disappointed if it is next gen visuals with improved current gen gameplay.

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                            • 4thQtrStre5S
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2013
                              • 3051

                              #74
                              Re: Madden NFL 21 Video - New Pass-Rush Control, Ball Carrier Skill Stick, Open Field

                              The preview looks good, in general. There seems to be improvement with blocking, as far as picking up threats. Though at the 3:11 mark between the Ravens and Browns there is some consistent suction blocking between C 64 and his pass rusher. It appears the the Ravens' LE stunts around the DT on the play; not sure if its by design or a warp, or I am just not seeing it clearly on my 15" laptop screen. But if stunts are back, that would be a cool addition.

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                              • secondsolution
                                Pro
                                • May 2012
                                • 541

                                #75
                                Re: Madden 21 Current Gen Gameplay Deep Dive

                                Originally posted by Hassan Darkside
                                I was happy to hear they made authenticity improvements to reduce the immersion-breakers, however, it's hard to take seriously when I look over at the mannequins on the sidelines that haven't changed since Madden 06.
                                Yep, this must be the 'living worlds' feature that was heavily touted for the Xbox One/PS4. Glad to see it worked out

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