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  • LocDawg5050
    Rookie
    • Jul 2012
    • 338

    #1

    Refs doing Ref stuff

    I remember seeing all these posts about how players want the refs back in game and so on. It's a nice welcome back, but I do see some great improvements from their last appearance.

    Wanted to take the time and acknowledge how well they seem to have been put back into the gameplay.

    Not sure how many refs are in a real game but you have 2 behind the offense, one behind the defense and one on each side line in madden.

    During a replay I noticed a couple of nice little details. The play went for a first down. Both of the side line judges, performed the first down hand and arm gesture. But they were performed differently. One was the traditional over exaggerated hand knife point, and the other was a more subtle quick jab like signal.

    The Ref with the white hat that stands behind the offense can be seen tracking a deep pass thrown by the QB. You can visibly see his head looking skyward and then drop his vision as the ball decends.

    Female refs are seen in more real games then before. Not an issue but I wonder if we will ever see a female judge.

    Areas for improvement to build immersion, when a player gets hurt it would be nice to see him wave their hands to stop the clock and scramble the trainers.

    Maybe not showing the entire conversation but show a quick ref huddle to discuss a penalty. Like showing one of the sideline judges tell the ref holding on number 70 offense.

    Let's see the refs throw yellow flags onto the field.

    Chain gang for short and down determination.

    Having to deal with the judge setting the ball at the line of scrimmage before each play. Especially when trying to run a hurry up offense.

    Showing more hand and arm signals... ie the player was pushed out of bounds... or the "it was a catch" signal.


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  • King Gro23
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    • Jan 2008
    • 2548

    #2
    Re: Refs doing Ref stuff

    Female refs are in the game, but continued context and small immersive details to the refs would add some value


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    • ML
      Eli for HOF
      • Aug 2011
      • 1947

      #3
      Re: Refs doing Ref stuff

      Unfortunately there would have to actually be penalties called in order for there to be more animated referees.
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      • kennylc321
        Pro
        • Aug 2018
        • 916

        #4
        Re: Refs doing Ref stuff

        I appreciate the sentiment but I can only but wonder if this is really a good use of resources. The guy who is doing all these neat and cool things with the refs on the field could instead be working on having penalties actually being called in the game.

        I can go on with this but the point is I really wouldn't spent too much time on this.

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        • LocDawg5050
          Rookie
          • Jul 2012
          • 338

          #5
          Re: Refs doing Ref stuff

          Kenny you have a valid point. The time and energy that went into reinstating the refs vs putting it into overall presentation would have stepped up the game even more.

          To imagine if we did have working penalties, commentary, immersion of a Sunday game would have out weighed putting refs back in.

          Just wanted to say something positive about the Zebras out there. Maybe one datbwe will be able to accidently knock one over during play.

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          • Shogunreaper
            Rookie
            • Nov 2016
            • 339

            #6
            Re: Refs doing Ref stuff

            Originally posted by kennylc321
            I appreciate the sentiment but I can only but wonder if this is really a good use of resources. The guy who is doing all these neat and cool things with the refs on the field could instead be working on having penalties actually being called in the game.

            I can go on with this but the point is I really wouldn't spent too much time on this.
            If they wanted penalties in the game they would be in there. It's not a technical reason it's a design philosophy.

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            • Freakywwe
              Pro
              • Sep 2014
              • 845

              #7
              Re: Refs doing Ref stuff

              Originally posted by kennylc321
              I appreciate the sentiment but I can only but wonder if this is really a good use of resources. The guy who is doing all these neat and cool things with the refs on the field could instead be working on having penalties actually being called in the game.

              I can go on with this but the point is I really wouldn't spent too much time on this.
              And why do you think the person in charge of developing the animations of refs on the sidelines would even remotely be involved with the gameplay department in charge of dictating how penalties are determined?

              It's a serious question. I need to understand where this thought process comes from where "If they didn't spend so much time on X, then we could have Y", especially when the "X" has no relation to the "Y". This isn't how game development works

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              • LocDawg5050
                Rookie
                • Jul 2012
                • 338

                #8
                Re: Refs doing Ref stuff

                Freaky... ur absolutely right. I don't know how developers do their thing. Just like they don't care how we pay for their product. We just do. I'm sure they won't even acknowledge this post and that's fine, but for the fan base that have wondering minds such as myself, it's a conversation of "what if". Thats all.... I'm super glad those young artists process and put together what we have today because I am one of the fools who will buy this game regardless of its condition.



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                • kennylc321
                  Pro
                  • Aug 2018
                  • 916

                  #9
                  Re: Refs doing Ref stuff

                  Originally posted by Freakywwe
                  And why do you think the person in charge of developing the animations of refs on the sidelines would even remotely be involved with the gameplay department in charge of dictating how penalties are determined?

                  It's a serious question. I need to understand where this thought process comes from where "If they didn't spend so much time on X, then we could have Y", especially when the "X" has no relation to the "Y". This isn't how game development works
                  I was trying to be nice but ultimately what I was saying is there are far more important things to worry about than refs throwing flags in a game where penalties are not even called.

                  Just like in real life... refs should be in the background. The best games we see are when the refs are not part of the story.

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                  • TarHeelPhenom
                    All Star
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 7102

                    #10
                    Re: Refs doing Ref stuff

                    Originally posted by LocDawg5050
                    Kenny you have a valid point. The time and energy that went into reinstating the refs vs putting it into overall presentation would have stepped up the game even more.

                    To imagine if we did have working penalties, commentary, immersion of a Sunday game would have out weighed putting refs back in.

                    Just wanted to say something positive about the Zebras out there. Maybe one datbwe will be able to accidently knock one over during play.

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                    And just to add clarity about penalties being in the game. They are in the game for sure. It just varies over different game scenarios. Penalties are called more frequently in CPU v CPU games than they are in User games for whatever reason.
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