Madden 09: Tackling Engine Blog & Video

[JRod]

Re: Madden 09: Tackling Engine Blog & Video

Here's my definition of a gang tackle.



There are actually 3 guys making the tackle. I can't tell what the 4th guy is doing but he might be in on the tackle.

[Vadiplomat04]

Re: Madden 09: Tackling Engine Blog & Video

Here's my definition of a gang tackle.



There are actually 3 guys making the tackle. I can't tell what the 4th guy is doing but he might be in on the tackle.

As I said....two defenders have hold of him but once you get more then 2 or 3 there just tackleing each other.

[BrianFifaFan]

Re: Madden 09: Tackling Engine Blog & Video

Here's my definition of a gang tackle.



There are actually 3 guys making the tackle. I can't tell what the 4th guy is doing but he might be in on the tackle.

He's posing for the highlight. Probably a CB or FS. And being a Bengals fan, thats the ONLY way we can tackle. We don't have anyone "Hit Stick" worthy! It just doesn't happen enough. LOL But that is a true gang tackle.

[JRod]

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As I said....two defenders have hold of him but once you get more then 2 or 3 there just tackleing each other.

Oh come on, you see swarm tackling and gang tackling all the time in the NFL. Where two guys tackle a guy and third comes in to stop momentum or finish him off. This never happens in madden.

At most two guys can be in on a tackle. But most of the time, in madden, the first guy has to break off a tackle so the 2nd and 3rd guys can start the tackle animation.

[BrianFifaFan]

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As I said....two defenders have hold of him but once you get more then 2 or 3 there just tackleing each other.

Yeah, but to bring down Jamal you have to do that or he's getting that 3rd and short. Or the yard for the TD. And a Hit Stick tackle ain't gonna stop him,even going low. You'll end up like David Pollack......

[J-Unit40]

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That was the best I have seen of Madden so far. I actually may think about buying it after hearing other OS impressions.

[SageInfinite]

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Hate to bring 2k into the conversation but I think it relates well to the topic. As much some people hated the button tapping, I think it helped add realistic tackling. I think Madden needs something like this(actually Madden current gen had it a little bit).

The button tapping(struggling for yards), allowed time for defenders to come in and clean up the tackle. It also allowed time for users to break the tackle or either get tackled by that engaged defender. With Madden how it is now the you either get tackled or you break the tackle. So really to have a 2 man tackle both defenders have to have contact at the same time or really shortly after. With some sort of button tapping, it would really allow the user to have more control over the outcome on offense. On defense it would also help, as it would give time users to switch to another defender and clean up the hit and stop the ball carriers momentum.

I would have loved to see 2k expand this to 3 and 4 man tackling. Hopefully Madden can implement a system like this in the near future.

[JRod]

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He's posing for the highlight. Probably a CB or FS. And being a Bengals fan, thats the ONLY way we can tackle. We don't have anyone "Hit Stick" worthy! It just doesn't happen enough. LOL But that is a true gang tackle.

Ha! Ya his eyes are right at the camera.

[BrianFifaFan]

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I've had an Epiphany! The guys do watch game film when programming the D. It's Bengals game film! That's why nobodys in postion and you can run around all day and your RB can burst for 75 yards. They watched us last year in Cleveland and said "that's Football!!!!!!!!"

[Vadiplomat04]

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Oh come on, you see swarm tackling and gang tackling all the time in the NFL. Where two guys tackle a guy and third comes in to stop momentum or finish him off. This never happens in madden.

At most two guys can be in on a tackle. But most of the time, in madden, the first guy has to break off a tackle so the 2nd and 3rd guys can start the tackle animation.

There are gang tackles in Madden that involve three people. Im saying if you have more then 2 people talking one player, some players are going to either a) just pile on the back of the defender (like in your picture) or b) knock off their own defender. Now if you watch the video your notice that the player are more aware of tackles and react better the tackles. The video also shows that when a player gets hit into another player that reaction is more realistic. I don't know what you want from this game, but you can't say that EA isn't trying their hardest to improve on the engine.

[yamabushi]

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I've had an Epiphany! The guys do watch game film when programming the D. It's Bengals game film! That's why nobodys in postion and you can run around all day and your RB can burst for 75 yards. They watched us last year in Cleveland and said "that's Football!!!!!!!!"

As much as your joking, your also right on.

[discostu1524]

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The Simpsons. The announcer guy at the baseball game from the episode where Marge starts her own pretzel business and gives free pretzels away. I hope I'm the first. I didn't read past this post yet. Woooooo! Video looked good too by the by. No suction blocking and tackling would be very nice.

[BrianFifaFan]

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As much as your joking, your also right on.

Now all they've gotta do is mo-cap Chad arguing with Marvin and add suspensions, holdouts and a cutscene of a courtroom and I'll feel the "authenticity" to the Nth degree! Who-Dey! Maybe I'll trade for Pacman to add some more fun!

[BezO]

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Ok....so you said that it takes two defenders to take a RB down...so what is the issue with the game if the do have 2+ defenders in the game.

My issue is that it's rare in the game. What I saw most of the time was the 2nd defender "exploding". The 2nd defender rarely engages in the tackle. So that's one wasted defender on the ground when in actuality, he had an advantage over the ball carrier because he was wrapped up. When that tackle is broken, and you know you had a 2nd defender there that should have finished things off, it can get frustrating.

And if you played 08' you do have control of the second (clean up) defender. I have had many hit stick tackles were the defender would stand up the defender then I would come and hit stick the ball carrier. The thing that need to be worked on is the AI of the CPU defeners adding on to the ball carrier

I don't use the hit stick and I found that though I had control of the 2nd defender, he would rarely engage in the tackle like I commanded. But it's the CPU defenders I'm really talking about. Most of the time I'm the 1st tackler in since I control the closest defender to the ball. My CPU help ends up on the ground or watching. I think we agree, no?

[yamabushi]

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Now all they've gotta do is mo-cap Chad arguing with Marvin and add suspensions, holdouts and a cutscene of a courtroom and I'll feel the "authenticity" to the Nth degree! Who-Dey! Maybe I'll trade for Pacman to add some more fun!

Tiburon really wanted too add 'coach arguing' this year but there wasnt time with all the cars, and light poles that had to be modeled for the stadium exterior shots