Two Weeks of Madden 09, and Official Patch News!

[SoxFan01605]

Re: Two Weeks of Madden 09, and Official Patch News!

jetpac shut up madden 09 is gay who cares if they fix it or not madden 09 is the worst in the series and they basically went back to 06 and rushed the game.yeah it has awsome graphics but the gameplay is weak.ncaa 09 is a way more fun and exciting game.user catches on ncaa is more realistic then on madden because on madden they make to wrer you get and have but they drop it or miss it completely.i am a madden fan but this year is the first year that it did not live of to the hype.i should have just rented it instead of being like every other idiot and wasting money for a game that is not even good and way to boring.they don't even have adam jones which is gay.they need to bring back the ea radio guy he was alot more fun and exciting gameplay wise i love madden 08 better and ncaa 09 but graphic wise madden 09 wins it but thats' it.ncaa has great graphics too.ncaa 09 is a much more realistic and fun and exciting game.do not buy madden get ncaa 09 instead!

ilikebadenglishbecauseitcanbefuntoreadbutonlyifyou makeblanketstatementswithitthatarentsupportedbyany thinganditsfuntojumpfromtopictotopictooiwonderwhys omanypointsgetlostinthemaddenthreads

[kt-od]

Re: Two Weeks of Madden 09, and Official Patch News!

jetpac shut up madden 09 is gay who cares if they fix it or not madden 09 is the worst in the series and they basically went back to 06 and rushed the game.yeah it has awsome graphics but the gameplay is weak.ncaa 09 is a way more fun and exciting game.user catches on ncaa is more realistic then on madden because on madden they make to wrer you get and have but they drop it or miss it completely.i am a madden fan but this year is the first year that it did not live of to the hype.i should have just rented it instead of being like every other idiot and wasting money for a game that is not even good and way to boring.they don't even have adam jones which is gay.they need to bring back the ea radio guy he was alot more fun and exciting gameplay wise i love madden 08 better and ncaa 09 but graphic wise madden 09 wins it but thats' it.ncaa has great graphics too.ncaa 09 is a much more realistic and fun and exciting game.do not buy madden get ncaa 09 instead!

This guy has to be 10 y.o.a. Alot of "gay" statements.

[kt-od]

Re: Two Weeks of Madden 09, and Official Patch News!

ilikebadenglishbecauseitcanbefuntoreadbutonlyifyou makeblanketstatementswithitthatarentsupportedbyany thinganditsfuntojumpfromtopictotopictoiwonderwhyso manypointsgetlostinthemaddenthreads

Lol.

[BrianFifaFan]

Re: Two Weeks of Madden 09, and Official Patch News!

jetpac shut up madden 09 is gay who cares if they fix it or not madden 09 is the worst in the series and they basically went back to 06 and rushed the game.yeah it has awsome graphics but the gameplay is weak.ncaa 09 is a way more fun and exciting game.user catches on ncaa is more realistic then on madden because on madden they make to wrer you get and have but they drop it or miss it completely.i am a madden fan but this year is the first year that it did not live of to the hype.i should have just rented it instead of being like every other idiot and wasting money for a game that is not even good and way to boring.they don't even have adam jones which is gay.they need to bring back the ea radio guy he was alot more fun and exciting gameplay wise i love madden 08 better and ncaa 09 but graphic wise madden 09 wins it but thats' it.ncaa has great graphics too.ncaa 09 is a much more realistic and fun and exciting game.do not buy madden get ncaa 09 instead!

Literarary gold. Did you come from the EA boards? We-sa use-a good gramma 'round here. And express thoughts divided into paragraphs......

[SoxFan01605]

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Literarary gold. Did you come from the EA boards? We-sa use-a good gramma 'round here. And express thoughts divided into paragraphs......

pffft...paragraphs, what a rediculous and elitist concept

[kt-od]

Re: Two Weeks of Madden 09, and Official Patch News!

Literarary gold. Did you come from the EA boards? We-sa use-a good gramma 'round here. And express thoughts divided into paragraphs......

And as an addition, we separate our sentences with spaces after the period. Easy concept.

*Hit the spacebar once or twice before typing your new sentence*

[Zackdawg]

Re: Two Weeks of Madden 09, and Official Patch News!

Also that statement sounds nice but its not practical when you have contractually mandated deadlines and a billion dollar business. I would love to see Peter Moore go to his shareholders (Full disclosure: I'm one and I also own 2k stock) and explain that EA had to miss its release date causing EA to breach its exclusive agreement with the NFL, cost the company thousands of dollars and caused the share price to drop because a few hundred (if that many) people on a few internet boards were complaining about missing or broken features. All things that can be fixed later with a patch.

I understand that EA has adopted, as a business strategy, the annual development cycle and has committed huge resources, such as paying for its exclusive agreement with the NFL, that make meeting those deadlines essential. If I was a shareholder, I'd be upset if they blow their deadlines.

But here is the rub: I'm not a shareholder. I don't care about EA's business plan. As a consumer of sports video game, the annual development cycle has only resulted in more and more pain and less and less reward for me. I'm not obligated to buy a product year after year, especially when long-term problems never get fixed and each new release seems more unstable out of the box. (Does any serious sports gamer not view the massive reports of in-game and out-of-game freezes and actual console failures associated with the release of Madden 09 as an ominous sign of things to come for the industry?) I just want a stable game that works as described.

After several years of Madden disappointment, Tiger Wood releases that seem to offer less and less each year, and botched MLB2K games, I've gotten off the carousel. I have chosen not to be a victim of the annual development cycle.

No more Madden holidays, no more buying any sports game on the first day of release. I buy a sports game only when it reaches a point of stability and value that makes it worth buying -- and my purchase that year does not obligate me to buy the next version of the same product next year. The fact that this year's version of NBA2k is, post-patch, finally good enough doesn't mean that I'm buying the version coming out this fall. I am not obligated to spend $60 for marginal upgrades. It also means that as a die-hard baseball fan with a 360, I have no baseball game, because, well, don't get me started on the MLB2k series. It also means that I'm a long way from purchasing Madden 09, and if they never get this release right, even further away from purchasing 2010.

Again, I'm a realist. The annual development cycle works for EA -- they make a ton of money on repeat business for marginal upgrades and increasingly unstable releases. I'm just not obligated to be a victim of that cycle. And as a guy who is a serious sports gamer, I don't think I'm doing my hobby a favor by buying into the industry's business practices.

[ToneDaChamp]

Re: Two Weeks of Madden 09, and Official Patch News!

[Funny because I said the same thing last year which is how I convinced myself to buy this years version. "People" complain bc they expect to pay for a functional game. The franchise mode is worse than it was last year and they have failed to address the problem. I can't get past preseason in Season 4.]


I have been as critical as anyone these last 2 weeks and haven't played Madden since Wednesday the 13th because I ONLY play Franchise Mode and with the Progression/editing glitches it was unplayable to me.

I am very happy and impressed these issues have been resolved along with the many others listed. I don't understand how people can complain about what wasn't in the patch, they did a GREAT deal of work for 2 weeks time. I can't wait to start playing again when this patch drops.

I understand that there's other issues that some people still need to be addressed BUT I hope they appreciate what we ARE getting. This is not the usual efficiency and customer service we are used to getting from EA. I for one greatly appreciate this new more transparent and professional way they are doing business. They are listening to the consumer and working to perfect the product. Will they get to everything this year? Maybe not but I have a MUCH better feeling about reserving Madden 2010 (which I'm sure will have a much improved Franchise Mode).

Thanks to Ian and everyone else involved.[/quote]

[aholbert32]

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I understand that EA has adopted, as a business strategy, the annual development cycle and has committed huge resources, such as paying for its exclusive agreement with the NFL, that make meeting those deadlines essential. If I was a shareholder, I'd be upset if they blow their deadlines.

But here is the rub: I'm not a shareholder. I don't care about EA's business plan. As a consumer of sports video game, the annual development cycle has only resulted in more and more pain and less and less reward for me. I'm not obligated to buy a product year after year, especially when long-term problems never get fixed and each new release seems more unstable out of the box. (Does any serious sports gamer not view the massive reports of in-game and out-of-game freezes and actual console failures associated with the release of Madden 09 as an ominous sign of things to come for the industry?) I just want a stable game that works as described.

After several years of Madden disappointment, Tiger Wood releases that seem to offer less and less each year, and botched MLB2K games, I've gotten off the carousel. I have chosen not to be a victim of the annual development cycle.

No more Madden holidays, no more buying any sports game on the first day of release. I buy a sports game only when it reaches a point of stability and value that makes it worth buying -- and my purchase that year does not obligate me to buy the next version of the same product next year. The fact that this year's version of NBA2k is, post-patch, finally good enough doesn't mean that I'm buying the version coming out this fall. I am not obligated to spend $60 for marginal upgrades. It also means that as a die-hard baseball fan with a 360, I have no baseball game, because, well, don't get me started on the MLB2k series. It also means that I'm a long way from purchasing Madden 09, and if they never get this release right, even further away from purchasing 2010.

Again, I'm a realist. The annual development cycle works for EA -- they make a ton of money on repeat business for marginal upgrades and increasingly unstable releases. I'm just not obligated to be a victim of that cycle. And as a guy who is a serious sports gamer, I don't think I'm doing my hobby a favor by buying into the industry's business practices.

Good for you. You have every right to refuse to buy the product if you arent satisfied with it. That was never the point of my statement. My statement was a response to people who complain the release date and ask why it couldnt have been pushed back. I gave them the reason why the game couldnt be pushed back.

[BezO]

Re: Two Weeks of Madden 09, and Official Patch News!

lol bezo, have you ever played any other games other than madden?

Lets keep it civil. That tone can rub people the wrong way.

all games have glitches - some companies don't act on them at all and some act by releasing patches. Some of the most played games like World of Warcraft, MSG4, GTA, Halo 3, etc were released with glitches even after YEARS of work on them. With your line of logic no one should by games.

And I could care less if every game has glitches. Maybe if video game consumers stopped buying games that didn't deliver what they promised they'd figure out how to create relatively glitch free games. If Madden can patch all of these problems within 2 weeks, they could've fixed these problems prior to release. Not only did EA sell a broken game, they KNOWINGLY sold a broken game so they could keep their release date. Didn't patch #1 come out on release day? As a consumer, that's not OK with me. I returned '08 for this exact reason.

But my main thing about this thread is the excessive gratitutde. I don't get it. Folks are acting like EA did them a favor. All EA did was fix the broken game they sold. This is the attitude that will cause the problem to continue. EA should be thanking their customers for willingly putting up with these issues.

Ian is on his way to being the greatest madden producer ever!

I do not doubt that. As active as he's been, I can imagine how good '10 will be. He's acknolwledge my 2 main issues with the game. If the blocking interaction and WR/DB interaction are addressed like he promised, it will be the 90s all over again for me. I'm looking forward to him living up to the quotes in my sig.

[brendanrfoley]

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The truth is, whether you want to admit it or not, the game should have never been released. All the things fixed in Patch #2 should have happened in pre-release, not in post release.

That is a fact.

I respectfully disagree.

We here at Operation Sports represent a very small, but vocal segment of Madden players. We also hold sports titles to a higher standard than those in the general public.

I know several people, who are more "casual" gamers, who love Madden '09 as is. They think it's the best football title they've ever played. And, truth be told, I think the game is damn good myself.

You get the sense, from reading some of these posts, that the game is unplayable in its unpatched state. And that just isn't true.

Now, two weeks after release, the Madden team releases not only a list of items fixed for the second patch but several items for a DLC "Sim" experience; items we here in the "hardcore" community screamed and shouted for...

...and we're still ungrateful?

I'm sorry, but that isn't right. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play or buy Madden '09. And, I think some need to stop acting like they personally "deserve" something. It's repulsive.

[DieHardYankee26]

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I respectfully disagree.

We here at Operation Sports represent a very small, but vocal segment of Madden players. We also hold sports titles to a higher standard than those in the general public.

I know several people, who are more "casual" gamers, who love Madden '09 as is. They think it's the best football title they've ever played. And, truth be told, I think the game is damn good myself.

You get the sense, from reading some of these posts, that the game is unplayable in its unpatched state. And that just isn't true.

Now, two weeks after release, the Madden team releases not only a list of items fixed for the second patch but several items for a DLC "Sim" experience; items we here in the "hardcore" community screamed and shouted for...

...and we're still ungrateful?

I'm sorry, but that isn't right. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play or buy Madden '09. And, I think some need to stop acting like they personally "deserve" something. It's repulsive.

I think that you are right in one thing as far as people need to stop bitching because noone forced any of us to buy the game but the problem is, that many of these things could have been finished in the 2 months before the release after the game went gold and they were working on the patch. They could have had all of those things done for the disc and more considering only a month after release they have a second patch ready to go.

People without xbox live or psn(I'm not one of those but they need to be spoken for as well) are absolutely screwed because they have no way to obtain any of these things and that means that they are missing out on some of these game saving things that the rest of us are getting. I think people would not have such a problem with these things if the game had not gone gold so early. They should not have the game go gold until it is perfect(or at least as perfect as it can be) because not everyone is able to obtain these patches. Obviously there are things that cannot be helped such as Brett Favre changing teams 3 weeks before the game comes out but things like franchise progression and freezing after so many seasons.

Another thing that seems to be a problem is how EA seems to be all about what they can put on the box. 85+ new features? Does this include things like Resume Franchise which will save you an all important and valuable three seconds when loading. They need to focus on the important things and stop trying to entice people with big numbers and non-features, and fix the game. It's nice that someone from EA are trying to communicate with us, but if these things that they are talking about are not acted upon, there are going to be a whole new generation of EA haters come this time next year. I am like everyone else: I know I have the choice of not buying the game but I really have hope for EA every year; and I really believe they will fix this next year but I won't be holding my breath.

[nxt]

Re: Two Weeks of Madden 09, and Official Patch News!

Thanks for the info on Patch #2, but what I'm now hoping/waiting for is the SIM DLC pack. This absolutely needs to be released... and soon. I seriously hope the CPU sliders are added and are more effective because the CPU running game needs major help. I've tried even tried the "DUMMY" slider thing with the CPU RUN at 0 (100,100,100) and the HUM RUN D at 20 (0,0,0) and the CPU still can't run the ball.

[ScottD413]

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No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play or buy Madden '09. And, I think some need to stop acting like they personally "deserve" something. It's repulsive.

Actually, we do deserve something. A quality, finished product. When EA bought the NFL license they forced a lot of people, like myself, who don't normally play EA games to buy Madden because it is the only NFL game on the market. Since then they have gotten lazy. Look at Madden 05, arguably the best Madden ever! Then EA gets the NFL license, and it's been all downhill from there.

I don't have an original XBox anymore, but if I did you can bet that I would get an Action Replay and be playing 2k5 instead of this crap

[Ankido]

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lol bezo, have you ever played any other games other than madden? all games have glitches - some companies don't act on them at all and some act by releasing patches. Some of the most played games like World of Warcraft, MSG4, GTA, Halo 3, etc were released with glitches even after YEARS of work on them. With your line of logic no one should by games.

Ian is on his way to being the greatest madden producer ever!

You are comparing apples with oranges. World of Warcraft can patch at any given moment. The game launched and it was playable. The same goes with GTA4 and Halo3. On the other hand, Madden 09 is not playable. I don't care how many hours you spend in practice, Online or franchise the game is broken. It's been broken for 2 weeks now and your going to wait another 2 weeks until it's patched. This is a football simulator and build for the console gaming. If the game comes out with major bugs and glitches that keep you from playing it right, then there is something wrong with that picture. Don't compare it to games that are actually playable or MMO's that can be patched every day.

You pay $60 because the developers worked hard to put this game out. The testers are the idiots for not finding these issues. Now we may not know, but they could have been found and ignored by EA. This has happened before. Remember I use to work for EA and I tested a few major games like Tigerwoods and Sims 2. If someone found a bug and we were near deadline, they would let it go and deal with it after release. But... the problem was always fixed afterwords which is what they're trying to do now. Why the game came out with MAJOR issues is something we'll never know.

Suck it up and move on. Let's hope 2 weeks from now we all have smiles on our faces. Remember, failure each year means giving up the NFL license and allowing other companies to produce football games.