The First Official Feature For Madden NFL 10!

[knucklez]

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Sorry to ask but I didn't get to the thread because of some celebrating



But Did Ian ever answer whether there will be new AI to go along with the PA,???? so that we don't just have Heads flipping around as they're gliding sideways to bat down a ball?????

No he did not. I posed the same question a couple of pages back. Until I'm showed otherwise I presume that the head tracking is just an aesthetic feature and will only have one affect on ridiculous interceptions: he'll be looking at the ball as he does it.

[cowboy_kmoney]

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First of all, the second response to Ian's update (by DTown) sounds GREAT. If Madden can pull off all of this, it would be insane. 3/4 of it would still be very good. Procedural Awareness will really take Madden to the Next Gen level.

Anyway, my suggestion/request for the next Madden is to bring back a few things from the previous editions. I usually play with the Colts and I love to emulate the things they do, especially what Manning does at the line. The first thing is to bring back the formation shifts. (I believe I saw this last in Madden 06 for Xbox) It would allow you to start with say a 2 TE set and then send one or both of those TEs out into a 3 or 4 WR set while keeping the play the same. There were usually 4 options to change to from each set (by pressing a button and then using the D-pad) and this gave a lot more flexibility and creativity to the offense.

The second thing is the substitutions menu. While this is in 09, this menu is in the play selection screen and therefore, with the play clock, you have a limited amount of time to make your personnel changes. So if you don't know exaclty what you're doing before you go into this menu (especially on defense) you have almost zero time to make up your mind.

Third, I would love to see the playbook creator brought back. I can't remember the last time it was in Madden (probably 06 as the last feature) but if you just put that version of it in, I would be very happy. Of course I would also love major improvements as it was never the greatest.

Whenever you created a new formation you wouldn't be able to shift the DL or LBs or bring up your safeties to support the run or use your corners to press. This could be fixed with generic solutions or by allowing the creator to designate those as well. The same problems were also on offense (no players going in motion).

Things that worked well with this feature were that you had almost no limit to where you lined up players on both sides of the ball. Obviously on offense you still had to follow the line of scrimmage rules (only 7 on the line) but other than that it was free reign. You could even draw out your own pass patterns.

Is there a playbook creator in NFL Head Coach? I have never played this game but I assume there is one. Ian introduced some of his new staff and one (or two) is from this game. Is there anyway you can just plug that same feature into Madden with a few tweaks?

One last thing: The play by play and color commentary are AWFUL. Apart from the fact that there aren't nearly as many different sound clips as in previous games, Madden makes Cris Collinsworth sound like a moron. While I don't object to using the same people, there needs to be more variety. Personally I would love to have Mike Tirico from ESPN doing the play by play as he is very good and interesting to listen to.

That's all I got.

Great post man,I also would love to see these changes brought back,It was good for the game.Ian I would also like to add to this already good postBy saying It would be cool if you guys could fit Stew from ESPN THAT DUDE KNOWS THE GAME AND KNOWS HOW TO KEEP IT INTERESTING AND NEVER A DULL MOMENT..

[adembroski]

Hmmm... ok, so... the only way this is a really substantial leap is if the AI works off this technology... ie a DB can't intercept a ball he can't see.

[mwjr]

Nice addition.

Problem is will we even be able to notice this during an actual game?

Also, this seems to suggest that some version of the passing cone would be required for this function correctly, at least for a QB. Is this accurate?

[cedwebb]

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Nice addition.

Problem is will we even be able to notice this during an actual game?

Also, this seems to suggest that some version of the passing cone would be required for this function correctly, at least for a QB. Is this accurate?

I know this question is not for me but I thought I would give my interpretation of this feature. I could be way over thinking this but to me it would seem that this feature would create the "vision cone" just by the nature of its design.

Whats really exciting and again I might be jumping the gun as far as what this tech is capable of, but again by its design in theory could re-create a lot of features we have seen in Madden throughout the years.

Let me explain...if players are now only reacting to what they see you have now created the vision cone for the QB again. You also have re-created the feature once known as "run to daylight" as your lead blockers will now react to what the see around them based on AWR.

Those two plus now this could possibly change the interaction with the offensive and defensive line play, and of course the WR and DB interaction will be completely different with this tech implemented. And all of these things were high on the list of most wishlists around here.

It seems that this one little feature might open the door to a ton of improvements that could all be done in one shot where we have in the past seen them put in the game as a main feature in previous years.

Just a crazy thought that I wanted to throw out there!

[marktg30]

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Nice addition.

Problem is will we even be able to notice this during an actual game?

Also, this seems to suggest that some version of the passing cone would be required for this function correctly, at least for a QB. Is this accurate?

If I get a chance, pop in APF 2K8... They use something similar to this technology without a passing cone.

[Blkcanes]

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I have no idea if this has been mention, and I'm not about to read through all the post but I do have a question. If it's not to much to ask I would like to know do the Quarterbacks keep that bounce in the pocket when they are waiting? I see that in the little demo you have it seems like he's keeping his feet moving. Is that going to stay in the game? Just looking at that from the back reminds me of Tom Brady during the 2007 season when he had all the time just waiting.

[Alabama_Slim]

great, something else for EA to focus on screwing up without improving gameplay.

[Ian_Cummings]

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Hmmm... ok, so... the only way this is a really substantial leap is if the AI works off this technology... ie a DB can't intercept a ball he can't see.

That's why I wrote this in the post my man:
"Well now we can make a DB track the ball realistically and we’ll make sure that he has a true line of sight before he can make a play on the ball."

[DolphinDave]

Is this going to be in the PC version of the game if there is a PC version?

[knucklez]

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That's why I wrote this in the post my man:
"Well now we can make a DB track the ball realistically and we’ll make sure that he has a true line of sight before he can make a play on the ball."

That doesn't really answer his question. What many people are asking is will the DB still make interceptions that he has no business making just because he's now has his eyes on the ball. It seems like your trying to justify the ridiculous interceptions by saying the DB will now be looking at the ball while he does it.

[humblerumbler]

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what i want to know is with this technology will below average dbs still play EXACTLY like Champ Bailey and Nnamdi Asomugha? If they see the ball will they still warp to the ball unrealistically or will they actually have to have time to get into position, can you now throw behind players w/o getting picked off all the time? lastly will EVERY db and LB have Vince Carters hops when they see the ball on deep fly routes?

[BigDuke]

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I think it's a solid addition to making the gameplay feel more realistic. My suggestion is to limit it to where it will have an effect on the gameplay or where we users will actually see it prominently during the game...especially if including this is memory/processor intensive.

For instance, in the interception example you gave, I think it's a perfect fit. The DB should not make blind interceptions. A few other examples:

1) O-Linemen heads turning, looking for oncoming pass rushers to block. A blocker shouldn't blindly slide into the path of an oncoming rusher.

2) Pass rushers looking for a scrambling QB or at the RB, instead of the QB, on a play-action fake. This would give the DL a more realistic feel of searching for the QB or ball carrier, especially on a fake or when the play breaks down.

3) DBs peeking into the backfield. That DB caught looking into the backfield might just let his WR blow right passed him. Or that DB might just make a jump on a pass thrown in front of him.


But if you're going into as much detail as including Barry Sanders-type eye movement, the only time we players will ever see that is during a replay if we zoom onto the player's face. We're not going to see it during the actual play because the camera is zoomed out. While this would be cool to see, there's no point to including that much detail, especially if it drains resources.

[Ian_Cummings]

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That doesn't really answer his question. What many people are asking is will the DB still make interceptions that he has no business making just because he's now has his eyes on the ball. It seems like your trying to justify the ridiculous interceptions by saying the DB will now be looking at the ball while he does it.

Sorry - I thought it answered it. We want to make it so a DB can't intercept a ball when he can't see it. Which to me means he can't make ridiculous interceptions. Sorry if we're getting hung up in the semantics. Like this...

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...would no longer be able to happen, ya know?

[adembroski]

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I guess my question is this: Has this DB vision been implemented, or are we looking at future iterations before we see that fully implemented?

This is an awesome first step, and I love the idea behind it, but are we going to see the functional (as opposed to the cosmetic) effects of this in Madden 10?

(I assume the answer, and it's a reasonable one, is "we can't be sure yet")