All Ratings Talk Here Per Millennium

[Candyman5]

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Brett carried the Jets? Really? Find me a Jets fan who will agree with that. Thomas Jones was one of the best rushers in the league and that defense was stout. And you want to say the Jets stunk before he got there and he carried them?

This is another case of the QB getting all the credit and none of the blame. The Jets spent a lot last off-season, Favre was hardly their only acquisition. They beefed up the O-line and the defense with the addition of guys like Faneca and Jenkins, JUST to name a few.

And don't blame his crappy performance in the last month of the season on the arm injury. He's done horribly in the last half of the season for 4-5 years now.

The data is courtesy a poster from the Football's Future boards.

So yeah, it was just the arm injury that kept them out of the playoffs. Please.

So okay, you can give Favre an overall rating of 90 for 10 weeks out of the season, and then a rating of about 70 overall down the stretch.

Suggestion to Ian and the Rating Guys:
Bret Farve: 61 Overall, 40 Pass Strength(1 point per yard he through at the end of the Jets season), 20 Deep ball Acc, and make sure you put his Injury at 2 so I can forcefully retire him in Madden. Done.

[SHO]

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Matt Leinart got screwed. Any reason behind the decision to make him 62?

[Jukeman]

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Barber might be rated higher, but he does not have the impact that Jacobs does in this game in the running game IMO. Unless they somehow radically change things, Jacobs was the more intimidating RB in the CD build bar none.

Another reason they should "cover" the numbers with Letter grades

[kcarr]

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Matt Leinart got screwed. Any reason behind the decision to make him 62?

I don't know here. Could it have something to do with the more career ints than tds? Possibly something to do with him last year getting beat out for the starting job by a guy who is almost 40 was at the time considered washed up and is now expected to start over matt again this upcoming season?

Could it have something to do with the previous season where before getting injured and being out for the season his coach started bringing in kurt and phasing matt out of the offense because kurt was outplaying him?

Or could it be that he considered to be on the path to being a bust? Maybe the fact that after 3 years in the league he is no more proven than when he was drafted and actually is considered a worse qb by most people than what he was considered when he was drafted?

Life's great mystories, eh.

[pigspigs76]

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Michael Mitchell
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Looking very closely at the ratings I feel Chris Clemons (Pick 29, Round 5) and Michael Mitchell should be VERY closely related in terms of there ratings. They both had extremely similar combine/proday results

both ran the 40 at 4.4
both had a 37.5 vertical leap
Similar broad jump, MM had a 10'3 broad jump while Clemons had a 10'7
Similar bench press, MM had 21 while Clemons had 19
Both had similar amount of pics (MM=6 CC=5)
ECT.....

The only really big difference is MM hit power which should be above 90... So assuming MM has practically the same ratings with the exception of hit power which would bump his overall up slightly they would both be in the mid 60's overall which I think is fair.

Chris Clemons is a 64 overall so maybe with the increase in hit power Michael Mitchell would be like a 65-67 (but i dont know how much weight is put on the hit power category in terms of a players overall)

So i present you with Clemons' ratings with Michael's hit power

Michael Mitchell SS

Overall: 64

SPD: 92
ACC: 95
STR: 65
AGI: 87
AWR: 35
CTH: 44
CAR: 55
THP: 25
THA: 30
KPW: 15
KAC: 14
RBK: 15
PBK: 25
TAK: 66
JMP: 87
RET: 42
INJ: 94
STAM: 86
TGH: 77
TRK: 20
ELUS: 45
BVC: 54
STIFF: 39
SPINN: 55
JUKE: 68
IBL: 40
RBS: 30
RBF: 25
PBS: 25
PMV: 37
FMV: 35
BLKSHED: 47
PUR: 72
PLAYREC: 68
MCV: 56
ZCV: 71
SPEC: 35
CIT: 44
RTE: 22
POW: +90
PRESS: 62
REL: 20
TAS: 15
TAM: 10
TAD: 10
PLACT: 15
THRUN: 15

I put the more interesting stuff in bold... and btw POW=hit power

please no a$$hat comments... this took allot of time and I would appreciate some serious feedback.

and ohhhh god please no referring the clowns on nfl network by making an argument about how high he was drafted blah blah blah

[Scott]

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Seems accurate.

[SHO]

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Leinart struggled in 2007, and Warner played very good the rest of the season and never let go of the starting job. I agree with most of what you said, But you fail to acknowledge that the 2008 starting job was a dead heat until Leinart had a bad quarter vs. Oakland in a pre-season game.

Or could it be that he considered to be on the path to being a bust? Maybe the fact that after 3 years in the league he is no more proven than when he was drafted and actually is considered a worse qb by most people than what he was considered when he was drafted?

I honestly don't see how narrowly losing the starting QB race to a QB that would later play MVP-esque football and lead a team to a Super Bowl become such an indictment to a player that he would lose 20+ OVR points and make him "on the trail" of being a bust. A second-year QB got hurt and was outplayed by a 2-time NFL MVP and Super Bowl MVP that had more in the tank than 99.9% people initially thought he had - the horror!

My point is, take his rating down but don't give him a 62. If Vince Young or Sage Rosenfels are rated in the 70s, I'm calling bollocks.

[kcarr]

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Leinart struggled in 2007, and Warner played very good the rest of the season and never let go of the starting job. I agree with most of what you said, But you fail to acknowledge that the 2008 starting job was a dead heat until Leinart had a bad quarter vs. Oakland in a pre-season game.
I honestly don't see how narrowly losing the starting QB race to a QB that would later play MVP-esque football and lead a team to a Super Bowl become such an indictment to a player that he would lose 20+ OVR points and make him "on the trail" of being a bust. A second-year QB got hurt and was outplayed by a 2-time NFL MVP and Super Bowl MVP that had more in the tank than 99.9% people initially thought he had - the horror!

My point is, take his rating down but don't give him a 62. If Vince Young or Sage Rosenfels are rated in the 70s, I'm calling bollocks.

I don't think that in itself was the cause of the 20 point overall dropoff. I would say that his poor play would put him in the mid 70s by the old ratings standards and I would put vince and sage in that same general area. However, that area has now dropped pretty severely. Looking at the ratings I have seen for the most part it looks like the new ratings corresponding to the old ratings look approximately as follows

above 95, safe. You might drop some in your weak areas but will remain at the top. Some might push down below 95 but will remain high 90s

91-95, these guys seem to fill the top 3rd of the 80s and the bottom 3rd of the 90s

86-90, these guys seem to fill the lower 80s

80-85, this is where the real drop begins. It still isn't drastic and some even remain in this area but most seem to drop below 80 completely out of their original group and they seem to spread across the 70s

75-79, This is where the droppoff starts to take a real toll. These guys seem to drop all the way out of the 70s and fill to 60s.

70-74, this group should pretty much fill up the bottom of the 60s and even down into the 50s.

Matt would have fell into one of the last 2 groups before, either being top of the last group or bottom of the group before. Some of his drop has came due to performance, don't know exactly what his rating was out of the box last year but I would guess he lost 8 or 10 or so there, but then the majority of his drop, probably 12-15 points came from the expanded ratings. If in the preseason he shows the potential that was seen coming out of college he may move up but really he kinda fits into that backup level looking at his production so far.

[iBlievN5]

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um vince young and sage rosenfels have both had more success than leinart.



...and westbrook is fast.

[kcarr]

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um vince young and sage rosenfels have both had more success than leinart.



...and westbrook is fast.

Vince did help his team to the playoffs once but then the team was much better without him last year. Sage has been spotty at best, almost as many interceptions as tds, 30 to 29, and has really been nothing more than a career backup. While they may in some ways be able to be considered to have more success than matt it really isn't by much and they should and probably will be in the same area as him overall rating wise.

Oh, and brian westbrook still is not fast, never has been and never will be other than in madden. He should not be in this upcoming madden by the way especially looking at the vid you posted where nearly every time he got into the open field he got caught including getting caught twice by the same guy on one play.

[SouthernBrick]

Re: Here ya go Ian...

Barber is higher because he's on "America's Team"...what a load of.......

I don't think barber was that overated last year. The team's overall was definitely overated, but the only thing I thought was overated on barber was his trucking. 99 trucking HA yeah right.

Barber is a physical back but, 99 was to much, more like 85-90 trucking.

[Zuke]

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My point is, take his rating down but don't give him a 62. If Vince Young or Sage Rosenfels are rated in the 70s, I'm calling bollocks.

I would have it at 68-73 some were in there I hope the potential of players like Matt Leinart and others is high and allows them to become better players. If Leinart is 62 I hate to see the Cleveland Browns

[iBlievN5]

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Vince did help his team to the playoffs once but then the team was much better without him last year. Sage has been spotty at best, almost as many interceptions as tds, 30 to 29, and has really been nothing more than a career backup. While they may in some ways be able to be considered to have more success than matt it really isn't by much and they should and probably will be in the same area as him overall rating wise.

Oh, and brian westbrook still is not fast, never has been and never will be other than in madden. He should not be in this upcoming madden by the way especially looking at the vid you posted where nearly every time he got into the open field he got caught including getting caught twice by the same guy on one play.

yeah, but vince HAS started in the playoffs and has shown promise. sage has at least thrown more TDs than picks, unlike a certain USC Alum, and he has had big games (unlike the aforementioned Leinart). At one point the cardinals just wanted to give the team to leinart and he still couldn't hold the reigns for the job. it was at one point questioned should the texans have traded for schaub b/c of how good rosenfels looked... then he turned the ball over more.

westbrook is fast. ask the nfc east dbs and lbs he'll be blowing by this season.

[kcarr]

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yeah, but vince HAS started in the playoffs and has shown promise. sage has at least thrown more TDs than picks, unlike a certain USC Alum, and he has had big games (unlike the aforementioned Leinart). At one point the cardinals just wanted to give the team to leinart and he still couldn't hold the reigns for the job. it was at one point questioned should the texans have traded for schaub b/c of how good rosenfels looked... then he turned the ball over more.

westbrook is fast. ask the nfc east dbs and lbs he'll be blowing by this season.

I agree lienart hasn't done anything, vince made it to the playoffs mostly on a strong running game and good defense. Look how good the titans were once kerry took over. As for sage, he has had some good games but also has had some pretty bad games. Also, he has never been able to win the starting job in either miami or houston

Westbrook isn't that fast, more like high 80s speed, not top of the league speed, just ask all the people who catch him from behind.

[iBlievN5]

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true. i was just saying that their still better players than leinart.

he's not top of the league in that, but madden speed isn't about 40times. and i couldn't find any, seems he left them all as he strolled into the endzone =P.