All Ratings Talk Here Per Millennium

[kcarr]

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Wouldn't the opposite also be true? You can't give a guy a rating just guessing that he can't do something just because he hasn't. If he hasn't shown that he can't, then why should he be given the rating so that he can't?

Regardless, his catching and blocking are probably about average. And that's fine. A player doesn't have to be exceptional in everything in order to be a 99. Peyton Manning can't run at all. Larry Fitzgerald doesn't have exceptional speed. Nnamdi Asomugha isn't the best corner in run support.

I just thought it was curious that EA didn't rate him a 99.

The thing you have to consider here is most players don't have these skills so without a player using these skills you have to lean toward them not having these skills.

I mean, you wouldn't say nick mangold hasn't ever proven he can't catch the ball so he should have good catch ratings, would you? Or, Jared Allen has never proven he can't throw the ball so he should be able to throw. Etc...

You kinda have to take the aproach of unskilled until proven otherwise, that way players will play to the actual abilities you see on sunday.

[kcarr]

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=/ i thought this thread was for discussing the exsisting ratings

According to the title it is for all ratings based discussion.

[kcarr]

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Not for me, I know his Carrying Rating should be Lowered, I just hope it doesn't get out of hand. Like I said before, his Injury last year was low, but it was like every single game of madden he go injured.

I have to agree with you here, the high and low end of the ratings have always been exaggerated by ea in their effectiveness. This needs to be fixed so that lower rated players or players with weaknesses aren't exaggerated to the point or being worthless.

[kcarr]

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I mean Brandon Jacobs the one year fumbled a record high the one year, he changed his carrying style the end of the year and didn't fumble the next 2 years(Sarcasticly)He fumbled but now a buch like usual. In Madden his carrying was not touched. I do agree however that AD cannot catch well. The only thing he can catch is screens and 3-5 yard passes. His downfield catching should be low. His blocking is a little below adverage also.

The most fumbles jacobs has ever had is 5. Adrian had 9 last year.

[Donny_Moore]

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Yeah. His carrying should be lowered, but not too much. His carrying ability so far has been bad...for a running back. Those are the guys who are running into 250-300 pounders consistently dozens of times per game. AP should certainly be at the low end of carrying for running backs, but if his carrying rating is below many receivers, D-backs, linebackers, etc., that'd be crazy.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...P/PeteAd01.htm

13 fumbles in two seasons (30 games). If Peterson has a weakness, this would be it (or injury prone tendency like you mentioned).

So we will rate accordingly in Madden 10. Trust me, everywhere else, the guy is butter. Yes, I mean butter as in smooth 90+ this, 95+ that. Peterson is #1 back in NFL. But like someone said before, that doesn't mean he can't have areas of improvement.

Benefit of the doubt if thrown out the door this year. Strengths and weaknesses. Really trying to stress these this year with the ratings.

[xblake16x]

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Benefit of the doubt if thrown out the door this year. Strengths and weaknesses. Really trying to stress these this year with the ratings.

this sounds great! and i've heard it before... now those franchise stats can be more realistic

oh boy do i love me some franchise!

[Candyman5]

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http://www.pro-football-reference.co...P/PeteAd01.htm

13 fumbles in two seasons (30 games). If Peterson has a weakness, this would be it (or injury prone tendency like you mentioned).

So we will rate accordingly in Madden 10. Trust me, everywhere else, the guy is butter. Yes, I mean butter as in smooth 90+ this, 95+ that. Peterson is #1 back in NFL. But like someone said before, that doesn't mean he can't have areas of improvement.

Benefit of the doubt if thrown out the door this year. Strengths and weaknesses. Really trying to stress these this year with the ratings.

Ok, I will give EA the benefit of the doubt, I just hope to see his Injury improved from last years Madden and his Carrying not overdone. I am not a Homer. I know AD weaknesses from loving him so much, Catching, Blocking, etc...But I also know that he is improving them things also. I dont expect his Carrying, Catching, Blocking to be top notch just like I dont expect for Westbrooks speed to be outragious like it is now by release, I just want the Carrying not to be a overboard in game. That is all. Keep doing a great job guys and thanks for the feedback.

[olig23]

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For me the issue with ratings is an important one. I must spend hours adjusting the ratings of almost every player when I get the game. This is not because I think people are doing a bad job but I just find that I disagree with many of the opinions people have regarding certain players.

However, the one thing I feel that leads to such consternation with regards to ratings is the lack of variables. I accept the need to ultimately make a decision on players, for example is Tom Brady as good as he was before his injury? Is Tomlinson done? etc... but what would make the ratings system more dynamic would be ratings that are variable.

What I mean by this is that you have a lower rating and an upper rating. A very consistent player like Peyton Manning would have an upper rating of say 99 and a bottom rating of say 94. Meanwhile, a player like Deangelo Hall would have a low rating in the low 70's with an upper in the 80's to show he has ability but doesn't always live up to it. Then I would have some factors that determine on a game by game basis the odds of the player being at a particular place within those ratings. Things like injuries, scheme, team chemistry, consistency, confidence, pressure, big game mentality etc... would be the variables. This could potentially create a Marc Bulger effect for example where if you consistently allow your QB to get big hits placed on him, his confidence and poise plummet and he rarely plays to his upper potential.

I'm not suggesting that EA actually implement that but I think it is a good idea. I am not comfortable with the idea of Drew Brees being only two points behind Peyton Manning who has had a remarkable career. Brees is as good on his day but often fails to live up to that so there would be a wider gap in what Brees could be at his worst to his best.

It's just my two cents...

[ridemooses]

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I agree with olig23, you gotta have some sort of fluctuation from a week to week basis. Some guys catch fire and play amazing, some guys stay about the same and some guys SUCK. I heard about the Live Rosters for NBA Live 09, Madden should take a piece of that and use it. Also with injuries some guys play injured and they obviously aren't going to play as well. I think olig23 is completely right some people play better under certain circumstances and some play worse. Bottom line.

[FootballSchemer]

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I agree with olig23, you gotta have some sort of fluctuation from a week to week basis. Some guys catch fire and play amazing, some guys stay about the same and some guys SUCK. I heard about the Live Rosters for NBA Live 09, Madden should take a piece of that and use it. Also with injuries some guys play injured and they obviously aren't going to play as well. I think olig23 is completely right some people play better under certain circumstances and some play worse. Bottom line.

I think they already do

[Wet Bandit]

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Obviously wrs and qbs and other skill position players should be worse there as they don't have the same skills for carrying the ball.

I'm not sure that's obvious, though. I can easily see EA ignoring something like this. I don't know if maybe this changed last year, but for a long while at least kickers had speeds in the 40's. I can easily see EA putting AP's carrying at a 60 because he's fumbled a lot, and putting receivers and others at 70, 80, etc., because they don't. I'm not saying it's going to happen, I'm saying it's a concern.

The thing you have to consider here is most players don't have these skills so without a player using these skills you have to lean toward them not having these skills.

I mean, you wouldn't say nick mangold hasn't ever proven he can't catch the ball so he should have good catch ratings, would you? Or, Jared Allen has never proven he can't throw the ball so he should be able to throw. Etc...

You kinda have to take the aproach of unskilled until proven otherwise, that way players will play to the actual abilities you see on sunday.

Apples and oranges. I'm talking about a running back having average running back skills, not a DE having average QB skills.

Besides, AP has shown his skills in blocking and receiving. He's certainly taken snaps doing those things. And people are free to look at the tape and judge it.

My original point was that the perception that he's below average in those, in my opinion, comes largely from the fact that he doesn't do those often. After all, if his coach doesn't have him do those, he must be bad at them, right? Makes a certain amount of sense. But that's why I noted his extreme workload on running downs, his need to rest to maintain that workload on running downs, and his very capable backup, to explain why he isn't more involved in passing situations.

After that, things got a bit theoretical so I just want to make sure my original point is still clear.

[kcarr]

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@ wet bandit Just because something is obvious does not mean EA will do it right. I realize this. They have obviously overlooked these things in the past, but hopefully donny will be able to get it right this time.

As far as the whole "he doesn't really do that" argument and where those ratings should end up, I am not saying that he should be like a 7 in catching or anything. Just that he should be at the lower end of backs in those areas. Ultimately the key with ratings is to get players to play as they do in real life so if you give him the ability to do things he really doesn't do in real life then that can break that system.

[Wet Bandit]

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Ultimately the key with ratings is to get players to play as they do in real life so if you give him the ability to do things he really doesn't do in real life then that can break that system.

NOOOOO!!!!

If you make the Vikings offense rated like they play in real life, God help us. Childress absolutely kills that offense. By your theory, Tarvaris Jackson's speed would be on the low end of QB speeds because he rarely gets to do anything outside of the pocket. AP's catching would be terrible because Childress finds him to be a better use at running into 8 man fronts constantly instead of giving him some more swing passes and letting him work in the open field.

Please, please don't implore EA to give players ratings so they're stuck playing like what happens in real life. Vikings fans are begging you. Please. Just let players be rated based on what they actually can do, not what their coach sees fit they should do.

[kcarr]

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NOOOOO!!!!

If you make the Vikings offense rated like they play in real life, God help us. Childress absolutely kills that offense. By your theory, Tarvaris Jackson's speed would be on the low end of QB speeds because he rarely gets to do anything outside of the pocket. AP's catching would be terrible because Childress finds him to be a better use at running into 8 man fronts constantly instead of giving him some more swing passes and letting him work in the open field.

Please, please don't implore EA to give players ratings so they're stuck playing like what happens in real life. Vikings fans are begging you. Please. Just let players be rated based on what they actually can do, not what their coach sees fit they should do.

As far as tjack's speed, speed is much more measurable than skills. Even if it is not really used like it should be it is still there in a pretty obvious manner. Skills, such as catching, on the other hand really aren't so obvious without being shown in real game situations so you have to go by what they do.

As far as brad being the one not allowing adrian's hands to be shown, this is a guy who in college only had 24 receptions in 3 seasons. 10 was the most he had in any season in college. He has never really shown the ability to be a receiving threat out of the backfield in either college or in the nfl so why should he be given ratings allowing him to be a real weapon catching the ball out of the backfield?

[mars85042]

Re: Here ya go Ian...

hmmm well I am going to put it simply...

Hall should be like in the mid 70's (like a 75) and based on how he preforms adjust that in the roster updates. I loved the Hall signing when he first came to Oakland... to bad it did not work out.

Same idea applies to Brady put him in the mid to high 90's (like 96) and adjust accordingly.

Both of these players are pretty much question marks in terms of how they are going to preform this season (particularly Brady) but I would not over or under rate them before witnessing there on field performance. Hall takes more of a hit because he was overrated to begin with and can't play man coverage, not to mention he has yet to prove he is deserving of a high rating since his departure from ATL.

Anyways yeah give them safe ratings and adjust accordingly is my thoughts on those two in particular.

Before you pass judgment on the ratings how many sim games have you built, and how many games have you played where the difference between a 75 and a 77 rating made a guy that much better. Wait; any better?
The ratings are fair, you can't judge them you don't even know what there based on. For all we know speed gives a pretty good boost, in that case he would get a lift because he is very fast. I'm not saying it does I'm merely making the point that none of us know; my recommendation is to play with him (Hall), if that 77 rating allows him to dominate every game lower his rating to 75. Lol…
Just kidding, but really from what I've seen so far the game looks great and the communication has been phenomenal. I declare the building of this game, The Madden Experience. It's awesome it should be a reality show, it would kill the rating every man alive between the ages of 8 & 45 would watch it.