Lets Dialouge - Ian's gangtackling challenge revisited

[TheCreep]

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That was cool. I like Madden 09s strip animation better though. Its more visceral.

[TheCreep]

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Reference that first video. Let me ask the 2k fans something. Now, let me state before hand, that I like 2k also, but I dont downplay Madden either.

Ok, when lewis makes that tackle, he clearly "warps" around the ball carrier for the animation to start. Now...if that had been a Madden video, folks would be throwin hissy fits "You see how lewis warped, they need to fix that crap!", all I'm saying is, if your going to nitpick at the flaws for one game, do it for the other, just to keep it 100% k?

I'm not insulting anyones intelligence when I say this but, Madden and 2k are VIDEO GAMES mayne, I think them boys at 2k did a wonderful job with 2k5 but as I just pointed out, I and you did to, observed that warping during that tackle.

I trust that Ian and the rest of the devs are trying to model the game as realistically as possible, but **** like warping and little weird **** here and there is GOING to happen until they implement a dynamic engine, euphoria is a good example.

If your going to look at everything under a microscopic lens like some type of nutty *** mad scientist, you aint never going to enjoy these VIDEO GAMES. Let that **** rest in piss, the game is raw (Madden 09) and I know 10 is going to be the **** already.

[lendog691]

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Keep in mind it is early May and there still working on this and thing is this is a big step in the right direction and i'm sure we all can agree on that. The only thing that worries me is it'll have a serious bug or glitch to start so if they need to delay it 2 weeks to month than by all means they should. We do not want another MLB The Show on are hands.

[Pandemonium00]

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Of course it has warping. It's a last gen game. Why is it even possible that we can still compare the two?

[TheCreep]

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Dude, the games of this generation still have warping also

[TheCreep]

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Of course it has warping. It's a last gen game. Why is it even possible that we can still compare the two?

Man, there are plenty of last gen games that are way better than this generation. There's yet to be a boxing title better than Victorious Boxers(PS2), The old GTA was WAY better than the current stripped down version. Comparisons are always gonna be around.

My point is, both Madden and 2k are good games, and both games have plus and minus period. If someones gonna rip on one for something, dont turn a blind eye to the same issues in the other game.

If anyone really paid attention to the post where all the devs were naming their favorite Madden, attention to detail would have showed you that Madden hits its stride on the 4th or 5th iteration of the game. 09 Clearly was a stride forward (4th), and 10 (5th) is about to be great.

[CzecHitYou]

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To use a military analogy: The Marines claim to be America's elite fighting force. However it is the US Army's 75th Ranger Regiment that actually is all the things that the Marines claim to be. Most Marines are clerks, drivers, supply specialists, cooks, and communication specialists. Not elite fighters.

I guess I will take your word..

[DONF]

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I think the tech involved in Pro-Tak is far and away more advanced than anything we've seen in a football game thus far (don't say Backbreaker). The possibilities are almost endless, and it's a great foundation for building more realistic interactions in all different facets of the game.


With that being said all I've seen so far is potential. It doesn't look like it feels as organic and game-changing as 2k's system. I can't wait to see a defender hold up a guy and another defender come in and clean it up. Those moments never get old in 2k5/8. If they can replicate that with this system, and I don't see why they couldn't, then I'm in love.

As far as tackling in Madden 10 all I've seen is tackles that look like they could have been pulled off last year and the aforementioned "group hugs" that we've seen in all of the Pro-Tak demonstrations thus far. If they build on the variety then I would have no reservations in saying they've won the "tackling war".

I am confused. All we have seen so far of pro-tak is the gang tackling. 9 men at that which i think is over done. Additionally the animation of the actual 9 man gang tackle is aweful and unrealistically displayed. Everything else about Pro-Tak has been talk. So how can anyone say Pro-Tak is far more advanced??????

[StonesRunIt]

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The fact that they have heard our voice on the running animations gives me faith that the tackles will be touched up.

[Exonerated]

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I am confused. All we have seen so far of pro-tak is the gang tackling. 9 men at that which i think is over done. Additionally the animation of the actual 9 man gang tackle is aweful and unrealistically displayed. Everything else about Pro-Tak has been talk. So how can anyone say Pro-Tak is far more advanced??????

THanks for not reading any pro-tak blogs.

[The Lob Mob]

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I'd Like See It Work Like It Does At 0:16

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[Valdarez]

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I think we need to keep in mind that ProTak stands for Procedural Tackling, which means they can dynamically sculpt the tackle, basically transition the tacklers to participate in the ongoing tackle. As they point out in the blog, and Ian has now reiterated, they still have a lot of tuning and blending to finish before the ProTak works as advertised.

[Blitzburgh]

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First, I want to say that I am really looking forward to playing 10 and I hope it lives up to the hype and effort that Ian and company have been putting in to this years game.

The problem I have (this is only speculating) is they said in one of the interviews that last year was the start of their new tackling system where they allowed you to break out of it and now they are adding more players to join in on the tackle.

Backbreaker has been in developemnt for 2 years now and back then was hyping that "no two tackles will be the same". Doesn't anyone find it ironic that this team is pushing their new tackling system this year! I mean that is a no brainer to me and that is what competition will do for you. So no matter if backbreaker is good, fun, horrible or whatever, I think it made the madden team do something that they really were not planning on doing. Maybe they were going to add true 3 man tackles where you could join the tackle yourself but I doubt it was to the extreme they are advertising now.

This also bring me to the point of will it really work in Madden? So far from what we have seen, I have to say no BUT it is a WIP so I will give them the benifit of the doubt. With just about two months left to work on this game, if that, I think they really tried to bite off more than they could chew in a 1 year cycle because of competition. Any thoughts? Blitz

[GAMEC0CK2002]

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Of course it has warping. It's a last gen game. Why is it even possible that we can still compare the two?

That's my question as well. How can a 5 year old tackling system on a old system still be in the discussion, let alone leader of the pack (for some)? Was it a case of 2K being way ahead of it's time or EA either 1) not being able to or 2) wasn't a main priority

I've bought the last 2 next gen Maddens, but really makes you wonder how good it would be if 2k was still around to push them.

IMO, the best NFL football video games were NFL 2k5 and the Madden that came out the same year.

[Moostache]

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Let's have some fun with logic for a second....

Pretend you are a lead producer on a video game.
You have an exclusive license and a fanbase of sheeples...

If you did not care, were lazy, decided to not innovate because of the lack of competition, which action would you be MOST likely to take?

1) Ignore all the bleating and braying of the livestock fanbase and release nothing at all until the actual marketing plan to sell the game kicks in around June...

OR

2) Push out blogs, answers posts, reply in PMs on forums to consumers, invite people down to your studio to play test and give feedback and post numerous explanations and videos of incomplete tech just to let the fans know what is happening....

I see posts in here that act like example #1 is what is happening and anyone with a functioning nervous system and a few live brain cells can tell that #2 is what Ian and Co. have committed to for Madden NFL 10...

Please, if you are an OS reader and a 2K fan or EA ***** or just bored, please stop with the "competition is the ONLY thing that can make this game better" meme...its played out and demonstrably FALSE already. Saying things like "gee isn't it funny that Backbreaker is releasing new videos and THAT makes EA release their 2-years-in-the-making PRO-TAK system now" does not make you sound profound, it makes you sound like Michelle Bachman. Now I don't know, maybe Representative Bachman is your political hero and you think she is awesome and on the money...but most people think she is bat-shyt insane.

Competition - or the lack thereof - is not the sole thing driving the EA team to develop PRO-TAK or tune the running animations or listen to the constant yammering here and at other forums. These guys have shown their love of the game and desire to make it as good a game as possible this year. Their actions speak to their intentions and its time to stop with the "EA will only care when the competition forces them to" chatter...

On another note entirely, I think that the PRO-TAK videos are alarming when the group hug animation triggers but I am willing to wait and see the final product before declaring it a success, a failure or a work in progress that misses the mark in 10 but could be the future...