Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

[FootballDetails]

Re: Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

Ahhh! Good point and very true.

If you think that point is "very true," then you agree that saying the OS Madden forum "has become nothing more than a Madden NFL 11 Community Day application submission forum" is simply inaccurate.

[kjcheezhead]

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I was lurking the madden board on ign and saw people complaining about Pro tak and how it looks terrible, isnt smooth,ect. The guy even posted visual evidence that its going fail! The video's he linked to were released back in May

May, June, July-gold. Those aren't exactly old vids bro. There is basically a civil war going on among madden fans right now and neither side is willing to give an inch.

Guys like me that don't like what we see and try to address it with videos get attacked with "those vids are old build","stop comparing to 2k" and "that was 09". The guys set on liking this game refuse to see the bad even after 4 version of hyped crap. I've even seen an obvious gang tackle glitch where all the players just jumbled together and someone was willing to say, "that's not a glitch, maybe this was happening."

I can say as a naysayer I'm also guilty of neglecting the good. Pro-tak seems to address the fundamentals so I like the effort to add this, but I'll wait to praise it until I feel the pocket functioning and the jostling messing my wrs routes when I play. Too many years of disappointment to ease up just yet. Also the 1 min demos tell me maybe the AI and such aren't as good as advertised and that's why only people who bought the game can play longer.


PS. I'm among the disappointed so far and I can say with complete honesty I'm not looking for a ticket to CD. I'm pretty sure Lbzrule and Adem mentioned the features I wanted to see make a return and probably did it better.

[PuddleMonkey]

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Some of you are just impossible to please. We could put you on the field in pads 'n helmet and you'd still complain it's not 'real' enough. Keep in mind EA are not your parents, who have clearly spoiled you too much.

[Skyboxer]

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If you think that point is "very true," then you agree that saying the OS Madden forum "has become nothing more than a Madden NFL 11 Community Day application submission forum" is simply inaccurate.

Uh... No. Why do you think they come out in bunches when Daddy's here....
"Look at me!!!! PICK ME PICK ME"

[kjcheezhead]

Re: Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

Some of you are just impossible to please. We could put you on the field in pads 'n helmet and you'd still complain it's not 'real' enough. Keep in mind EA are not your parents, who have clearly spoiled you too much.

I personally feel I have never complained about something Madden 10 is lacking that madden/2k ps2 didn't do better. That's not asking for the moon bro.

[Skyboxer]

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I'm not a fan of getting rid of the sprint button. I think that's a "next gear" sorta button that should be included, with it's own range of analog control.

They either need to get rid of it or have the AI players use it also. One of the 2.
It's way to easy to switch to D player and "Sprint" to the ball and undercut the WR as is. Mainly because the AI player does not go into that second gear at all.

[PuddleMonkey]

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I personally feel I have never complained about something Madden 10 is lacking that madden/2k ps2 didn't do better. That's not asking for the moon bro.

I was just on the NCAA board watching someone throw a fit about the face masks on his team. FACE MASKS!!! Seriously, some of the nitpick s**t is just nauseating after awhile.

[BezO]

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I agree that sucks, but such is developing a game for 5 million people...everyone's wishlist won't get met. I know you love tiered defensive playcalling for example...that's a huge investment in time for an extremely tiny percentage of people that want it - I can't say with certainty we'd decide to implement that feature next year.

But it's football. IMO, putting it in shouldn't be a matter of community requests.

And it would fix many of the problems that people complain about. Many here learned more about football from playing Madden then from watching, playing or coaching IRL. If they understood how plays were called in the NFL, they'd realize they're getting "cheesed" because they can't construct a defense to stop a certain play, not because certain plays need to be removed.

The fact that audibles & hot routes on defense are so popular speaks to how badly tiered play calling is needed, whether the community expresses it or not.

It's frustrating as people act like we aren't dedicated to fundamentals though. That's my point here. We've fixed MANY major issues when it comes to the fundamentals, but that will get ignored - there will just be some other video where a guy broke a tackle on a player he shouldn't have that happened one time in practice mode and it will be the end of the world. You saw in person the presentation Phil and I gave to our senior management regarding the focus for the year...which was fixing the issues that have plagued Madden FOREVER. There was NO pocket last year...there was NO momentum last year. To be clear - I don't want people to congratulate us - I want constant feedback on how to keep improving the game - but I also kind of resent the fact if someone says that we aren't focusing on fundamentals, because we truly are.

I think this is just a case of people disagreeing with your priorities. Personally, as cool as fumble pile-ups are, I hate that they got in before footwork & momentum were addressed. Basically, you're not as dedicated to fundamentals as I would like you to be. Many others feel the same way.

And some of it is just immaturity & attention searching. I can't defend that.

They obviously are my motivation (hence why I'm here). There's no reason to put up with all the negativity that comes with community interaction if I wasn't here trying to please everyone. I wouldn't have stayed up until 5 am for a week putting in two new camera angles on my own time if that wasn't my goal.

Then embrace it.

My goal is to fix every single issue that any person comes up with. And we have done that to the best of our abilities this year - based on apex's videos, based on you guys and the community day feedback, etc. The point I'm making is that we'll continue to fix these issues but I feel many folks are insatiable. Maybe I'm wrong here...but doesn't it seem crazy that someone is in essence chomping at the bit to get the game solely for the purpose of recording bugs to put on YouTube?

I do think it is odd that someone's sole purpose in getting the game would be to post vids of problems. But I don't think that's the case. I think you're interacting with people with a wide range of maturity levels. Many are frustrated with Madden. Not everyone is going to express that frustration in a manner you're comfortable with.

[RyanMoody21]

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also keep in mind, when 'daddy' is in the room, each kids suddenly vies for his attention.

just knowing that Ian & co are here at OS daily also adds to the chaos

I love how some of you validate your own misconceptions about people. That's some deep rooted issues on your part to make that kinda analogy. I'm also particularity fond of this new "CD audition" crowd.

I'm glad my point was proven though. To some Ian can say no wrong, and those who show problems with the game will always be un-pleasable whiners.

Ive never personally attacked anybody on this board to prove my point. Yet time and time again, I get attacked on character and motive. Makes me wonder how weak your argument is if thats what you have to resort too. Then again, some of you never argue or discuss the point, you just try to discredit me and leave it at that.

[Pared]

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Seems to me this thread has attracted those who argue just to argue at this point.

[RGiles36]

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Ive never personally attacked anybody on this board to prove my point. Yet time and time again, I get attacked on character and motive. Makes me wonder how weak your argument is if thats what you have to resort too. Then again, some of you never argue or discuss the point, you just try to discredit me and leave it at that.

Why do you assume that people are always talking about you? You made a video and had a pretty popular thread...but that's not so unheard of. I believe Ian quoted you in this thread and addressed you at some point. But I haven't seen you personally mentioned in the last several pages.

[BezO]

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You think so? You think people are going to pile on this game like they did '09?

]As sim as we all are, we still have different concerns & priorities. If they were to include all of your suggestions and exclude most of mine, I'm guessing your review would be more favorable than mine.

[RyanMoody21]

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Seems to me this thread has attracted those who argue just to argue at this point.

Conversations become arguments when one side has no more points to make and rely on insults.

[lgxjames]

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To me this is the oddest debate on this forum because it gets brought up every 2 days and people are passionate about it...

I don't see how anyone can debate this place has become the application for CD 11', Now I know there are those who could careless about CD and truely want to help improve the game but it isn't hurting that they know their insight might pay off...

Ian...I love this guy, I really do but I don't get how this bothers him so much, 100% of the ppl here will say this game is improved, For as many ppl who nitpick and get called out, I don't see enough ppl get acknowledged for acknowledging a very improved game...Now this isn't to call out Ian but honestly I haven't posted here in a few months because honestly Ian and crew has done such a good job I don't have anything to post about anymore until wishlist 11' comes around...

Infact honestly, The only people I do still see post here are already bringing up wishlist 11' because surely they don't expect anything big to happen 1 month from release. It is to many ppl here that notice this game has improved for Ian to be getting gray hairs over...I just don't get it, All because of the 5% of new ppl/nitpickers who still actively post here

1 month away...We all need to just recharge the batteries because I've only been here a few months and I feel burned out, I can only imagine how the "real" regulars feel along with Ian...

[Pared]

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Conversations become arguments when one side has no more points to make and rely on insults.

In that case I suggest you stay away from this thread.

This thread isn't about you, and it's a good idea if you stop pretending it is/trying to make it that way.