Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

[RyanMoody21]

Re: Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

I don't understand how you (and other people who are saying similar things) are saying this when the game isn't even out yet...

I trust my eyes more than hype. Ive played 06-09 enough to see problems. I hope we all can agree that without slow motion replays and what some might call over analyzing of a video game, at speed...the game should flow. Read my post in this permalink,

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2039824101

I can look at Madden 10 and see issues, a good amount of people can. In fact, they are so prevalent that we have been given excuses "The game speed is turned down", "This is a different build".

When I can see flaws just based on two people playing a game, then I don't need to play it to know they are present. When I can visually see 2010 plays where players react the exact same as 2009 plays, then I dont need to play it to know it happens.

[MattIntellect]

Re: Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

No it's not that he's saying that madden is going to be disappointing, it's that he's saying why it will be by talking about things like glitches, and how the AI will play which you really can't do until the game is out and you spend time with it.

We can talk about the improvements (or lack of improvements in some areas) to the game, but to talk in depth about their faults is just not possible right now and most are doing it based on the problems of Madden 09.

I think that RMoody based most of what he said on this discussion:
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...stling-23.html

Also, he was upset about the Online Franchise Superbowl video, even though that game was probably played on an older build meaning that many changes may have happened since then.

It depends on what you were hoping to see. I can say I feel like moody that this game is already disappointing to me because I'm really only interested in gameplay so presentation is just ok to me and the commentary is lacking.

Game speed and such are nice improvements but seeing lineman spin in circles at least once per vid, seeing man coverage get beat in every vid, and seeing defensive players not take pursuit angles but just follow wrs/rbs and mirror their moves make me think of 09.

Add in no invidiual bump, shading, man lock, custom hot routes, playbooks, unfinished franchise and this game is still lacking to me. After 06-09 I needed to be blown away with gameplay first and this game is letting me down. I'll give it a chance but I can see Moodys point of view. I'm 34 years old if this game doesn't make the cut it's time to retire the sticks and find a new hobby I guess.

I don't think that you and RMoody are on the same page as far as your disappoints in Madden are. You seem to want more game play features brought over from last-gen Maddens, especially on the defensive side of the ball, but RMoody wants to see things like situational awareness, lack of clipping & simultaneous reactions, and NFL training being implemented into Madden's A.I. That is just what I think.

[LAKE4742]

Re: Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

I gave Madden "one last chance" last year, as far as buying on the first day.

I realize now that's all companies these days care about is getting customers to buy on the first day, and try and break records, and all that jazz. There have been some major disappointments in gaming this gen, but did very well in sales based on pre-conceived expectations, and last gen memories. And I can see all of the EA marketing for what it is now. And even Ian scrambling to justify a first day purchase, and trying to clear doubt, and answering questions-the entire EA scheme is sickening at this point. As much as EA has disappointed, it's just as sickening to see disappointed, knowledgeble, and "dedicated" NFL fans justify a first day purchase, too.

If Ian and his crew are the real deal, and have made a great game, then great! But EA, this year, doesn't get my $ on first day. They've lost my respect, period. They should've lost it 3 years ago. The jump from last gen to this gen was horrifying, and in no way justifiable. EA has simply been too lazy for far too long.

In the words of Apex: "We funded them for years." They got rich, and we got nothing.

My ride on the Maybe Next Year/Hopefully This Year train is over.

(from a big NFL football fan and hardcore gamer)

[kjcheezhead]

Re: Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

I don't think that you and RMoody are on the same page as far as your disappoints in Madden are. You seem to want more game play features brought over from last-gen Maddens, especially on the defensive side of the ball, but RMoody wants to see things like situational awareness, lack of clipping & simultaneous reactions, and NFL training being implemented into Madden's A.I. That is just what I think.

I'll admit the lack of features being brought over killed most of the hype I had for this game. I feel 5 versions should have been enough time to get them back.

Like I said in the first post tho, I also have seen the blocking issues that moody pointed out in his 09 vid show up in several madden 10 vids tho as well as defenders not taking pursuit angles. The number one thing that bothers me is that man defense has not worked in any vid. Even the jostling and cb/wr interaction vids the wr makes the grab. After 09s horrible man defense, I can't stand seeing man coverage fail against the pass every time.

[RyanMoody21]

Re: Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

I don't think that you and RMoody are on the same page as far as your disappoints in Madden are. You seem to want more game play features brought over from last-gen Maddens, especially on the defensive side of the ball, but RMoody wants to see things like situational awareness, lack of clipping & simultaneous reactions, and NFL training being implemented into Madden's A.I. That is just what I think.

Wow. Two days in a row...Im impressed. In a totally non-sarcastic way, I have gotten one person to see (and maybe even respect) my side of this. It my have taken more posts and videos than I wanted, but it still happened.

Im not right, your not wrong. Nobody here has "the answer" or "the solution".

We should all agree that we want NFL football respected. The ratings that somebody puts an ungodly effort into at EA to mean something. Games decided on skill and maybe football knowledge.

Not cheese.
Not glitches.
Not animations.

I don't want to see "career highlights" each game. Anything less than that, and its an arcade game.

[Bgamer90]

Re: Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

Also, he was upset about the Online Franchise Superbowl video, even though that game was probably played on an older build meaning that many changes may have happened since then.

It has been confirmed that it was an older build...


In terms of "excuses", the game being captured on slow speed came straight from Ian so would some say that Ian made an excuse(even though he knows more about the game than everyone on here)?

Anyways to sum it up, we will all see how things are when the demo comes...

[MacDaddy]

Re: Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

For what it's worth, I have passed on Madden the past 3 years, and finally feel like this year is one I'm going to get and play. It looks like they've really put some work into this game.

[RyanMoody21]

Re: Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

It has been confirmed that it was an older build...


In terms of "excuses", the game being captured on slow speed came straight from Ian so would some say that Ian made an excuse(even though he knows more about the game then everyone on here)?

Anyways to sum it up, we will all see how things are when the demo comes...

I don't make excuses for myself in my mistakes in life. I refuse to make excuses for others, much less a company.

Here we have a company trying to sell us something, they have total control of everything we see in M10. They still cant show a game without errors. That's unreal to me, it should be unreal to everybody, it should be unacceptable to everybody. Does anybody not remember the FMV promos of M06 stunt, which should have been borderline false advertisement?

If your going to tell me that a in a few weeks on a build the game can be almost totally different as far as player interactions. Then I want to know why in 4 years this thing isn't flawless to start with.

Im not talking about nitpicking flawless to my degree. Im talking about 180 turntable spins where guys go from dead stop to full speed in an instant. Where animations drive the game more than user interaction. For the people who send me messages telling me to make more videos (while I can because M10 will shut me up), I wish they were right...but I dont think they are.

[MattIntellect]

Re: Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

Wow. Two days in a row...Im impressed. In a totally non-sarcastic way, I have gotten one person to see (and maybe even respect) my side of this. It my have taken more posts and videos than I wanted, but it still happened.

Im not right, your not wrong. Nobody here has "the answer" or "the solution".

We should all agree that we want NFL football respected. The ratings that somebody puts an ungodly effort into at EA to mean something. Games decided on skill and maybe football knowledge.

Not cheese.
Not glitches.
Not animations.

I don't want to see "career highlights" each game. Anything less than that, and its an arcade game.

I respect your side of this because as you said, "I'm not right, your not wrong. Nobody has "the answer" or the solution". To me, I don't see how you can argue about glitches and cheese at this point, but what do you mean about animations? Are you talking about the A.I. deciding which animation to use at the appropriate time or situation? A lot of people at E3/CD said that Madden 10 will be more of a chess match instead of some of the things you mentioned. I can't say that they're right because I haven't had the game in my hands yet, but in my eyes, Madden 10's best friend isn't the money plays, but it is the strategy of an NFL game. I hope I'm right.

[MattIntellect]

Re: Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

It has been confirmed that it was an older build...


In terms of "excuses", the game being captured on slow speed came straight from Ian so would some say that Ian made an excuse(even though he knows more about the game than everyone on here)?

Anyways to sum it up, we will all see how things are when the demo comes...

No, but wouldn't it seem ironic that the Madden 10 played their FIRST Online Franchise Superbowl at almost the time that Madden 10 is about to go gold? Also, the end zones are blank.

Edit: I thought you were ASKING if it was confirmed to be an older build. Sorry.

[Bgamer90]

Re: Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

No, but wouldn't it seem ironic that the Madden 10 played their FIRST Online Franchise Superbowl at almost the time that Madden 10 is about to go gold? Also, the end zones are blank.

Edit: I thought you were ASKING if it was confirmed to be an older build. Sorry.

Okay... because I was like "???" after reading your post.

[Bgamer90]

Re: Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

I don't make excuses for myself in my mistakes in life. I refuse to make excuses for others, much less a company.

So are you saying that Ian was making an excuse?

Here we have a company trying to sell us something, they have total control of everything we see in M10. They still cant show a game without errors.

All football games will have errors...

That's unreal to me, it should be unreal to everybody, it should be unacceptable to everybody.

Are you saying that the game should be 100% perfect?

Does anybody not remember the FMV promos of M06 stunt, which should have been borderline false advertisement?

Yeah... are you saying that the Madden 06 trailer was 100% perfect?

If your going to tell me that a in a few weeks on a build the game can be almost totally different as far as player interactions. Then I want to know why in 4 years this thing isn't flawless to start with.

Again, I'm not saying that things will be totally different but I expect some form of improvement when I get my hands on the final game considering that superbowl vid was taken from a build that was more than 1 month old and also since they are still fixing issues with the game.

Im not talking about nitpicking flawless to my degree. Im talking about 180 turntable spins where guys go from dead stop to full speed in an instant. Where animations drive the game more than user interaction. For the people who send me messages telling me to make more videos (while I can because M10 will shut me up), I wish they were right...but I dont think they are.

Ok so you said you want a flawless game and now what you are saying is that you want them to work on player speed animations. So to you, is that the only thing wrong with madden?

[harnalien]

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I'm with you Rmoody. The look alone of this game gives me the impression that it won't be changed enough to "feel" different. I still see some quirky things that bug me. The feeling that I think we are both looking for is something that is difficult to put in words, but you know that it's lacking with the series (up until now). Perhaps we will both be surprised and impressed. I know these have been "early" builds, but I have heard similar statements in previous years. We all will have to see what happens after it comes out. If it's not good, there's always next year, ha ha. If it is good, then I will play it. Easy.

[RyanMoody21]

Re: Who is gonna give Madden one last chance?

1.So are you saying that Ian was making an excuse?
2.All football games will have errors...
3. Are you saying that the game should be 100% perfect?4. Yeah... are you saying that the Madden 06 trailer was 100% perfect?
4. Again, I'm not saying that things will be totally different but I expect some form of improvement when I get my hands on the final game considering that superbowl vid was taken from a build that was more than 1 month old and also since they are still fixing issues with the game.
5.Ok so you said you want a flawless game and now what you are saying is that you want them to work on player speed animations. So to you, is that the only thing wrong with madden?

1. Im not saying, its what he did.
2. I have never disagreed with that.
3. I am saying that this was borderline false advertisement. This style game play and presentation is not even in 2010. Much less 2006. You tell me this wasent made to look like in game footage.
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4. Again, Im not buying that line. If the game can be totally ground up different in a matter of weeks, where has that progress been the last 4 years?
5. Your typing words in my threads. I never said flawless, I just want NFL football respected. I dont want my backup WR to play as good as my starter. I want the ratings to mean something. I want elite players to play like elite players, I want free agents to come on and play like a free agent.

[LAKE4742]

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"Older build, older build, older build"......that's all I hear around here. Pathetic.