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  • stanley roper
    Banned
    • Sep 2009
    • 78

    #211
    Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Details Coming Next Week

    Look at this board and then take a look at the NBA live forums, the NBA 2k forums, SCEA forums....etc....etc...etc....

    None of them compares to this forum. This forum has nothing but complains and majority is warranted.

    this only shows you where QA really is. Right EA Madden?

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    • LAKE4742
      MVP
      • Aug 2008
      • 1325

      #212
      Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Details Coming Next Week

      Yep, alot of the complaints ARE warranted. I'm all for patches, but even moreso for better developers. I just don't understand how an entire staff works on a game, for even just a year, and a gamer can come along after that year and say "the blocking is bad in this game", and the devs say "Hmmmm, I think you're right".

      WTF?!!!

      WTH were you doing that entire year? Let me guess, it took alot of time and energy to get in handtowels?

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      • 19
        Chaos Theory
        • Aug 2008
        • 8859

        #213
        Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Details Coming Next Week

        Originally posted by Brando70
        Great googly moogly, 20+ pages on the announcement that there will be an announcement about the patch. At this rate the discussion the actual patch will generate will clog all of the Intertubes.
        My sentimonies exactly.

        Originally posted by Brando70
        Once consoles became online-ready, patches became a part of console gaming. If sports developers took the route of taking 3-4 years between games to perfect everything, all of you would be begging for them to release the newest version sooner.
        Agreed. Why don't we just go back to the PS2 days where what you bought is what you got. C'mon.

        Originally posted by Brando70
        Madden deserves criticism -- it should be further along than it has come on this generation, and compared to even other EA games it is lacking in many areas. But it definitely made more progress this year than it had in the previous years combined.

        If people think it sucks and want to say it sucks, that's fine. I just can't get over how bent out of shape people get about a game. You would think Ian and company came into your house and farted in your oatmeal.
        Many people take it that way in this generation of entitlement. You know who you are.

        Originally posted by Brando70
        fact that they are patching the game shows that the Madden team want to at least try and improve the experience of the game. Company's that don't care don't take steps like this, and Madden has likely made most of the money it's going to make this year, so it's not like this is a financially beneficial move. These patches are being done to address issues with the game and complaints/suggestions from consumers.

        You may think that the game should be better when it is released or that the patches should do more or come out sooner. Regardless, the fact remains that there are people working to try and make Madden a better experience for those who have purchased it. That effort is commendable even if the results are open to debate.
        Both EA and Sony have kept me as a customer by patching games, and yes it is annoying to buy a game and not be able to play it right that very second, but just find another game to play or god forbid go outside and do something, it's a video game folks. Nothing more, nothing less.

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        • johnkorean
          Rookie
          • Jan 2008
          • 104

          #214
          Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Details Coming Next Week

          Originally posted by AirborneRanger1
          Your last scenario doesn't even make sense....According to that scenario the meal is served to you as described and perfectly cooked but your asking for extras....The real comparable scenario here is you order a filet and when the server asks you how you would like it prepared you say rare and end up getting served a hamburger instead of steak....
          I don't really like analogies since there's always too many elements for 2 scenarios to really be comparable. My analogy doesn't work and neither does yours.

          Basically, my argument is this:

          1. We all had the opportunity to rent the game before we bought it. No one held a gun to our heads and told us to buy the game at the midnight release.

          2. Just because we want something doesn't entitle us to it. It is not EA's responsibility to make the perfect Madden just because we want a perfect Madden. The vast majority of customers are more than happy to play through the glitches and never even download the patches because they don't care. It is this niche minority that is asking for a cost-ineffective level of detail in order to satisfy the minority's belief that they deserve someone else's hard work.

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          • BlueNGold
            Hall Of Fame
            • Aug 2009
            • 21817

            #215
            Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Details Coming Next Week

            Originally posted by LAKE4742
            Yep, alot of the complaints ARE warranted. I'm all for patches, but even moreso for better developers. I just don't understand how an entire staff works on a game, for even just a year, and a gamer can come along after that year and say "the blocking is bad in this game", and the devs say "Hmmmm, I think you're right".

            WTF?!!!

            WTH were you doing that entire year? Let me guess, it took alot of time and energy to get in handtowels?

            Well that's a big part of the problem. People bitched and moaned for years to get handtowels, team colored cleats, etc, etc and now that they are in the game people turn around and say "why did you put that in? You should have been working on gameplay!" So its basically a lose, lose for the dev team because people ask for one thing, they put that in and then people complain about them spending time on that.

            Another thing is probably 99% of us have no idea how difficult it is to make a game, let alone a sports game or more specifically a football game. This is, imo, a big reason why Ian stopped posting as frequently on these boards. You work your *** off for a year and then people go and **** all over your hard work when they really don't know how difficult it is to do what the dev team does.
            Originally posted by bradtxmale
            I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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            • redsfan4life
              MVP
              • Mar 2005
              • 2763

              #216
              Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Details Coming Next Week

              In my humble opinion this years game is a great improvement. Last year I played Madden 09 on PS3 for about a week. This year I'm still playing and enjoying it quite a bit, still waiting to hear about the patch but even without it I'd enjoy this game. Kudos to the new development team, they got this ship on the right track.
              PSN: Maserati_Bryan17

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              • gabs485
                Rookie
                • Sep 2005
                • 446

                #217
                Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Details Coming Next Week

                I have real respect for the team, this is the best madden in a long time. What I don't understand is that things that were not broken in previous years are suddenly broken now. E.g. stadium specific stadium, qb real voices, franchise stats. Player progression, catching and running animations. Also the fact that suction blocking has not been fix since the genesis version is very frustrating. But I do reckon this year version is the best since 2005
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                • mike24forever
                  Old Guy
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 3168

                  #218
                  Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Details Coming Next Week

                  [QUOTE=johnkorean;2040316172]I don't really like analogies since there's always too many elements for 2 scenarios to really be comparable. My analogy doesn't work and neither does yours.

                  Basically, my argument is this:

                  1. We all had the opportunity to rent the game before we bought it. No one held a gun to our heads and told us to buy the game at the midnight release.

                  2. Just because we want something doesn't entitle us to it. It is not EA's responsibility to make the perfect Madden just because we want a perfect Madden. The vast majority of customers are more than happy to play through the glitches and never even download the patches because they don't care. It is this niche minority that is asking for a cost-ineffective level of detail in order to satisfy the minority's belief that they deserve someone else's hard work.

                  Well said. Ever since the developers have been openly posting here (OS), the number of new members complaining about the game have increased dramatically. That is why I agree so much with what you said. Everyone has a choice to buy the game or not. Just because there is no alternative does not warrant the complaining and childish rants we have seen on these boards. We are fortunate to have developers listening, let alone patches for the game. That being said, I would love to there to be no need for patches, they have become a norm for the industry. Not just sport games.
                  I am the lesson after the fall.

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                  • stanley roper
                    Banned
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 78

                    #219
                    Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Details Coming Next Week

                    Originally posted by BlueNGold
                    Well that's a big part of the problem. People bitched and moaned for years to get handtowels, team colored cleats, etc, etc and now that they are in the game people turn around and say "why did you put that in? You should have been working on gameplay!" So its basically a lose, lose for the dev team because people ask for one thing, they put that in and then people complain about them spending time on that.

                    Another thing is probably 99% of us have no idea how difficult it is to make a game, let alone a sports game or more specifically a football game. This is, imo, a big reason why Ian stopped posting as frequently on these boards. You work your *** off for a year and then people go and **** all over your hard work when they really don't know how difficult it is to do what the dev team does.
                    Tell that to the people of SCEA who made the best baseball game ever, The Show.

                    Tell that to NBA 2k devs.

                    Tell that to the EA Soccer, NHL guys.

                    Tell that to Fight Night devs.

                    go ahead.

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                    • LAKE4742
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 1325

                      #220
                      Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Details Coming Next Week

                      Originally posted by BlueNGold
                      Well that's a big part of the problem. People bitched and moaned for years to get handtowels, team colored cleats, etc, etc and now that they are in the game people turn around and say "why did you put that in? You should have been working on gameplay!" So its basically a lose, lose for the dev team because people ask for one thing, they put that in and then people complain about them spending time on that.

                      Another thing is probably 99% of us have no idea how difficult it is to make a game, let alone a sports game or more specifically a football game. This is, imo, a big reason why Ian stopped posting as frequently on these boards. You work your *** off for a year and then people go and **** all over your hard work when they really don't know how difficult it is to do what the dev team does.
                      It certainly isn't the communities fault, no matter what. Either EA knows what NFL football is or don't. Why would they let the community decide what a NFL football game is, when football is....football? Of course we like handtowels (because they're a part of NFL football). Of course we like competent blocking (because it's a part of NFL football). Of course we don't like Robo QB (because it's not a part of NFL football). You either know the game, or you don't. Who really playtests this game, and says "yep, WE see that on sunday!"? That 2-in-1 tackle?! NOONE sees that on sunday!
                      Common sense should tell EA, of course we want certain things. We want everything a part of NFL football! Duh. But, what football devs would really make handtowels higher priority over gameplay. 2K5 didn't, and is considered by most on this board as still the best. So, EA is doing this to themselves. They can take advice from whomever they wish (even OSers), but, it's gonna bite them in the ***. It's a not a lose lose situation IF they just focus on football and not sales.

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                      • PYA-MUSTANG86
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 66

                        #221
                        Who said that GTA IV didn't have a title update? If I'm not mistaken didn't they actually add a few more campeigns and stories to the game through DLC? So after you beat the original you could just DL pretty much a whole new game. Yes please do some research before posting.

                        Well anyways, any word on if they're going to fix/add players' draft info? Kind of pointless to have gems and busts if you never know who is a gem and bust after that particular draft. Also any word on online franchise improvements? And the offline stat engine, especially having a total total tackle stat. In real life they combine a players solo and assisted tackles to determine their total tackles. If you're going to add a feature at least get said feature right. This was my main concern when I 1st heard about the assisted tackle stat, was that they would screw up how those stats were kept, and that's exactly what happened.

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                        • LionsFanNJ
                          All Star
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 9464

                          #222
                          Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Details Coming Next Week

                          Originally posted by PYA-MUSTANG86
                          Who said that GTA IV didn't have a title update? If I'm not mistaken didn't they actually add a few more campeigns and stories to the game through DLC? So after you beat the original you could just DL pretty much a whole new game. Yes please do some research before posting.

                          Well anyways, any word on if they're going to fix/add players' draft info? Kind of pointless to have gems and busts if you never know who is a gem and bust after that particular draft. Also any word on online franchise improvements? And the offline stat engine, especially having a total total tackle stat. In real life they combine a players solo and assisted tackles to determine their total tackles. If you're going to add a feature at least get said feature right. This was my main concern when I 1st heard about the assisted tackle stat, was that they would screw up how those stats were kept, and that's exactly what happened.
                          Nothing is getting fixed in the patch.
                          HELLO BROOKYLN.
                          All Black Everything

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                          • BlueNGold
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 21817

                            #223
                            Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Details Coming Next Week

                            Originally posted by LAKE4742
                            It certainly isn't the communities fault, no matter what. Either EA knows what NFL football is or don't. Why would they let the community decide what a NFL football game is, when football is....football? Of course we like handtowels (because they're a part of NFL football). Of course we like competent blocking (because it's a part of NFL football). Of course we don't like Robo QB (because it's not a part of NFL football). You either know the game, or you don't. Who really playtests this game, and says "yep, WE see that on sunday!"? That 2-in-1 tackle?! NOONE sees that on sunday!
                            Common sense should tell EA, of course we want certain things. We want everything a part of NFL football! Duh. But, what football devs would really make handtowels higher priority over gameplay. 2K5 didn't, and is considered by most on this board as still the best. So, EA is doing this to themselves. They can take advice from whomever they wish (even OSers), but, it's gonna bite them in the ***. It's a not a lose lose situation IF they just focus on football and not sales.
                            I never did say it was the communities' fault, I was saying how people beg and beg for something, get it and then its like "oh, who cares about that now that it is in." Also, alot of posters on here (typically the ones that seem to join OS just to hate on Madden with no constructive criticism) are just piling on with all the hate which probably was the reason Ian left these boards or at least doesn't post as frequently.

                            About EA knowing football or not, who are we to say if they do? We don't know that. What I was trying to say in my post about the difficulty of making a game was that yeah, it sounds simple to just go in and say "Let's fix the blocking" but it is probably a hell of alot easier said than done. I can't imagine what its like having to work on all that code and stuff when if you do one thing wrong, it messes up half the game.
                            Originally posted by bradtxmale
                            I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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                            • Spanky
                              MVP
                              • Nov 2002
                              • 2785

                              #224
                              Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Details Coming Next Week

                              Originally posted by stanley roper
                              Tell that to the people of SCEA who made the best baseball game ever, The Show.

                              Tell that to NBA 2k devs.

                              Tell that to the EA Soccer, NHL guys.

                              Tell that to Fight Night devs.

                              go ahead.
                              Excellent point. There are so many good to great games out now. Every sport, except football. I'm guessing it's a little more difficult to replicate football with so many different elements in the game, but I could be wrong.

                              That said, I've enjoyed Madden 10 immensely, major improvement over last year's debacle. I managed to work around or overlook the major flaws to have fun games, but the first patch has taken some of the fun factor away with a bunch of well-documented minor annoyances and one major headache -- easy KO returns for user and CPU.

                              I'm really hoping the second patch fixes most of the bugs without creating other issues. If it doesn't, I will cry like a baby.
                              It's on me. I shook his hand too hard. It was a hard ... kind of a slap-shake.

                              "What? You can't challenge a scoring play?''

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                              • BlueNGold
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 21817

                                #225
                                Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Details Coming Next Week

                                Originally posted by stanley roper
                                Tell that to the people of SCEA who made the best baseball game ever, The Show.

                                Tell that to NBA 2k devs.

                                Tell that to the EA Soccer, NHL guys.

                                Tell that to Fight Night devs.

                                go ahead.
                                Yeah and are all of those games perfect? No. FIFA 10 seems to be getting a bunch of complaints from the few posts I've read on that forum. Look at the list 2K is working on for the first patch on NBA 2K10. I can't speak for The Show since I don't have a PS3 or like baseball. NHL and Fight Night are the best sports games this year but NHL had a year off before making the jump to next gen and Fight Night had the benefit of remaking basically the entire engine and having an extra year off after Round 3.
                                Originally posted by bradtxmale
                                I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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