Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

[adembroski]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

You are thinking of ratings in one game as compared to another as progression. It's not, it's reevaluation. Donnie thinks he was wrong last year.

[Megatron2k7]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

I really wish Donny would just chime in on one of these threads and explain some of his decisions. I'm sure he tries to avoid the land slide of insults and remarks that would insue..... but it's the only way we will ever know why he decides what he decides.

I think he's wrong even more often than he is right to tell you the truth. There are many, many players that the ratings are done very well on, but there are just too many mistakes.

I mean come on..... having players heights and weights and position wrong is pretty pathetic when anyone can simply get that information on every single official team website.

The strength and speed ratings have always left me shaking my head.

I am really glad the old, border-line dirty, super physical, Al Harris is on my team. I love rooting for the guy, and have even more respect for him than ever after seeing his road to recovery videos on you tube. If he wasn't on my team, I'd probably be complaining about him every time the Packers played against him. He's like the Chris Carter, or Michael Irvin of CB's.

Anyway to my point..... he has a CB high, 70 rating in strength. I know the dude is put together pretty well, and like I said above, is really physical...... but 70 strength..... ???

That 70 strength rating puts him higher in strength than numerous LB's.... Safeties.... FB's and HB's.... and some of the bigger WR's. Really Donny.....????

I have no Idea where his strength rating should be with the current set up...... who do I compare him to....???. Most would agree that he is probably one of the stronger CB's in the league I guess.... but I really don't believe that any of the stronger CB's in the league are stronger than so many LB's, and FB's.

Big Ben has a strength rating of 85....... WTF....... 85...... ????

LMAO.... !!!!!

That means that according to Donny.......

Ben is stronger than all of the Steelers LB's except Harrison. ..... even Woodley..... that one really gets me..... lol.....

Ben is stronger than LE Ziggy Hood...... lol.

Ben is stronger than all the Steeler TE's and FB's...... lol.

Ben is equal in strength to LT T. Hills..... again..... lol......

Man..... I'm so dumbfounded from what I just posted about Ben Roethlisberger that I really have no more to say, except.....

These ratings need A LOT of work.

Peace.

[kehlis]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

You are thinking of ratings in one game as compared to another as progression. It's not, it's reevaluation. Donnie thinks he was wrong last year.

Ha, I made that point awhile ago. Somehow they disagree with that...

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

I really wish Donny would just chime in on one of these threads and explain some of his decisions. I'm sure he tries to avoid the land slide of insults and remarks that would insue..... but it's the only way we will ever know why he decides what he decides.

I think he's wrong even more often than he is right to tell you the truth. There are many, many players that the ratings are done very well on, but there are just too many mistakes.

I mean come on..... having players heights and weights and position wrong is pretty pathetic when anyone can simply get that information on every single official team website.

The strength and speed ratings have always left me shaking my head.

I am really glad the old, border-line dirty, super physical, Al Harris is on my team. I love rooting for the guy, and have even more respect for him than ever after seeing his road to recovery videos on you tube. If he wasn't on my team, I'd probably be complaining about him every time the Packers played against him. He's like the Chris Carter, or Michael Irvin of CB's.

Anyway to my point..... he has a CB high, 70 rating in strength. I know the dude is put together pretty well, and like I said above, is really physical...... but 70 strength..... ???

That 70 strength rating puts him higher in strength than numerous LB's.... Safeties.... FB's and HB's.... and some of the bigger WR's. Really Donny.....????

I have no Idea where his strength rating should be with the current set up...... who do I compare him to....???. Most would agree that he is probably one of the stronger CB's in the league I guess.... but I really don't believe that any of the stronger CB's in the league are stronger than so many LB's, and FB's.

Big Ben has a strength rating of 85....... WTF....... 85...... ????

LMAO.... !!!!!

That means that according to Donny.......

Ben is stronger than all of the Steelers LB's except Harrison. ..... even Woodley..... that one really gets me..... lol.....

Ben is stronger than LE Ziggy Hood...... lol.

Ben is stronger than all the Steeler TE's and FB's...... lol.

Ben is equal in strength to LT T. Hills..... again..... lol......

Man..... I'm so dumbfounded from what I just posted about Ben Roethlisberger that I really have no more to say, except.....

These ratings need A LOT of work.

Peace.

Can't agree with you more. I will be working to get rid of these insanities. I have noticed these and found a couple solutions that should fix the problem in my ratings. No more of this BS. Be on the lookout for them.

[mrprice33]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

Can't agree with you more. I will be working to get rid of these insanities. I have noticed these and found a couple solutions that should fix the problem in my ratings. No more of this BS. Be on the lookout for them.

[Megatron2k7]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

Can't agree with you more. I will be working to get rid of these insanities. I have noticed these and found a couple solutions that should fix the problem in my ratings. No more of this BS. Be on the lookout for them.

Thank you. It is BS indeed..... I look forward to seeing your results.

[videofreak8]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

usually when they get older they get slower

[Franchise-Star-21]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

usually when they get older they get slower

Dumb comment.

He is not old at all, and has gotten better and faster.

[steelers1]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

It seems ridiculous that guys like Harris, Tebow, Roethlisberger, etc have higher strength ratings than some linemen, but I understand why they are that way.

Basically, these guys play the game in a way that I don't think the Madden ratings can realistically portray without seeming too high. They need to make Harris really physical and apparently just press ratings and stuff don't do it.

Roethlisberger was never really able to shake off sacks in older Madden like he did in real life which is why they gave him the high strength rating. Of course he isn't near as strong as a lineman or a linebacker (esp Woodley, whose strength is underrated in my opinion), but simple break tackle and trucking ratings don't allow him to play the game the way he does. Trucking actually seems pretty useless when you are back looking to pass, so they don't even really have a rating that covers what Big Ben does (they need a break out of sack rating or something). That's why I think Tebow doesn't really need the extremely high strength rating he got... I think high trucking should be all he really needs to play the game the way he does.

This is made possible because these guys don't play positions where it could be exploited very easily, so that isn't a problem. Just think of the ratings as position specific and it isn't as tough to swallow. Honestly, if the players play the way do in real life, it doesn't matter.

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

It seems ridiculous that guys like Harris, Tebow, Roethlisberger, etc have higher strength ratings than some linemen, but I understand why they are that way.

Basically, these guys play the game in a way that I don't think the Madden ratings can realistically portray without seeming too high. They need to make Harris really physical and apparently just press ratings and stuff don't do it.

Roethlisberger was never really able to shake off sacks in older Madden like he did in real life which is why they gave him the high strength rating. Of course he isn't near as strong as a lineman or a linebacker (esp Woodley, whose strength is underrated in my opinion), but simple break tackle and trucking ratings don't allow him to play the game the way he does. Trucking actually seems pretty useless when you are back looking to pass, so they don't even really have a rating that covers what Big Ben does (they need a break out of sack rating or something). That's why I think Tebow doesn't really need the extremely high strength rating he got... I think high trucking should be all he really needs to play the game the way he does.

This is made possible because these guys don't play positions where it could be exploited very easily, so that isn't a problem. Just think of the ratings as position specific and it isn't as tough to swallow. Honestly, if the players play the way do in real life, it doesn't matter.

But yet it has been documented that the STR doesn't do anything when it comes to a ball carrier breaking tackles...its a useless attribute. There are scores of youtube vids showing this.

[cam780]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

I think this is a dated argument. Despite its numerous flaws, Madden 2010 pretty much addressed the speed rules issue. As far as ratings in general, I don't believe physical traits should regress until a certain point in a players career. Again, Madden did this pretty well last year. If Desean Jackson, loses 2 speed points in game at his age, there's a problem but if he's 35 he's going to be alot slower unless he's Darell Green.

I'm in the kehlis / adombrowski group. Each year every player is re-evaluated and it needs to be done. Also don't forget that each player is being evaluated against the league and that difference isn't big so if you look at it as a correction based on incoming rookies and veterans who are getting slower its not something that strikes me as impossible.

[JohnnyNutman]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

people seem to mistake real life rating updates as player progression alot. nick collins doesnt really have "93 speed" in real life. the game designers adjust the ratings to try & accurately reflect that players real life ability in game. obviously they felt 93 was a little to high for him, so they toned it down.

[Franchise-Star-21]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

people seem to mistake real life rating updates as player progression alot. nick collins doesnt really have "93 speed" in real life. the game designers adjust the ratings to try & accurately reflect that players real life ability in game. obviously they felt 93 was a little to high for him, so they toned it down.

And what made them do that?

[canes21]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

Maybe they didn't think he deserved the 93 speed. Maybe he has 91 speed, but 96 acceleration.

[Megatron2k7]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

Using a word like "deserved" is a problem all in itself.

Players don't deserve speed or strength ratings........ they should accurately mirror what they really are..... simple as that.

You are making it sound like you are backing the idea of the EA guys (Donny) giving players ratings based on whether he deems them worthy of them or not... and that is the major problem.

The physical attributes are not supposed to be based on opinions...... just facts. Various skill sets of the players is where the opinions should start to kick in.

Re-evaluating players is fine..... as long as logic, common sense, and proof can back it up. Nick Collins being re-evaluated down to an 89 speed shows none of the just mentioned qualities. I beg of any of you in here to show me some proof, or give me a solid argument of logic and common sense as to why Nick Collins Shouldn't have at least 92+ speed like some of his fellow FS in the league.