Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

Using a word like "deserved" is a problem all in itself.

Players don't deserve speed or strength ratings........ they should accurately mirror what they really are..... simple as that.

You are making it sound like you are backing the idea of the EA guys (Donny) giving players ratings based on whether he deems them worthy of them or not... and that is the major problem.

The physical attributes are not supposed to be based on opinions...... just facts. Various skill sets of the players is where the opinions should start to kick in.

Re-evaluating players is fine..... as long as logic, common sense, and proof can back it up. Nick Collins being re-evaluated down to an 89 speed shows none of the just mentioned qualities. I beg of any of you in here to show me some proof, or give me a solid argument of logic and common sense as to why Nick Collins Shouldn't have at least 92+ speed like some of his fellow FS in the league.

That is why combine numbers are good starting points Show me the 4.36! LOL! He should have a 91 SPD in my system then...

[Franchise-Star-21]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

Using a word like "deserved" is a problem all in itself.

Players don't deserve speed or strength ratings........ they should accurately mirror what they really are..... simple as that.

You are making it sound like you are backing the idea of the EA guys (Donny) giving players ratings based on whether he deems them worthy of them or not... and that is the major problem.

The physical attributes are not supposed to be based on opinions...... just facts. Various skill sets of the players is where the opinions should start to kick in.

Re-evaluating players is fine..... as long as logic, common sense, and proof can back it up. Nick Collins being re-evaluated down to an 89 speed shows none of the just mentioned qualities. I beg of any of you in here to show me some proof, or give me a solid argument of logic and common sense as to why Nick Collins Shouldn't have at least 92+ speed like some of his fellow FS in the league.

Well said.

There is no reason or point anyone can bring up that doesn't make Collins at least a 93 speed or top tier speed safety/

[kehlis]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

Using a word like "deserved" is a problem all in itself.

Players don't deserve speed or strength ratings........ they should accurately mirror what they really are..... simple as that.

You are making it sound like you are backing the idea of the EA guys (Donny) giving players ratings based on whether he deems them worthy of them or not... and that is the major problem.

Canes usage of the word "deserved" is exactly what you are alluding to by saying ratings should mirror what they really are.

You are just twisting it to try and prove a point.


What we are trying to say is that players HAVE to get re-evaluated every year, whether they are top of the barrel or bottom...

After re-evaluating the players, Donny probably feels that his speed rating was too high last year and therefore didn't deserve it anymore thus the decrease in his speed rating.

We all know the ratings are very subjective and there are bound to be disagreements, but to not understand the concept that Donny's evaluation of this particular player has changed is mind boggling.

No one here is saying you have to agree with the rating, we are simply giving an explanation as to why it could change from year to year.

[Franchise-Star-21]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

Canes usage of the word "deserved" is exactly what you are alluding to by saying ratings should mirror what they really are.

You are just twisting it to try and prove a point.


What we are trying to say is that players HAVE to get re-evaluated every year, whether they are top of the barrel or bottom...

After re-evaluating the players, Donny probably feels that his speed rating was too high last year and therefore didn't deserve it anymore thus the decrease in his speed rating.

We all know the ratings are very subjective and there are bound to be disagreements, but to not understand the concept that Donny's evaluation of this particular player has changed is mind boggling.

No one here is saying you have to agree with the rating, we are simply giving an explanation as to why it could change from year to year.

This arguement has been made already and it is ludacrissssss.

When you make this point, TELL ME ONE THING THAT NICK COLLINS HAS DONE TO CAUSE A DECREASE IN HIS SPEED RATING.

This arguement does not work. Hence, once again, Give me 1 play/point/arguement, why NC should be under 93 speed.

[tflash81]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

This arguement has been made already and it is ludacrissssss.

When you make this point, TELL ME ONE THING THAT NICK COLLINS HAS DONE TO CAUSE A DECREASE IN HIS SPEED RATING.

This arguement does not work. Hence, once again, Give me 1 play/point/arguement, why NC should be under 93 speed.

Because he didn't deserve a 93 speed in the first place, and when they realized their mistake, they lowered it.

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

Because he didn't deserve a 93 speed in the first place, and when they realized their mistake, they lowered it.

I disagree with this. The guy ran a 4.36 and has shown great speed on the field. Why would they lower him? Either they are seeing something that Packers fans are not or they are making a mistake....I am betting on the latter however.

[kehlis]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

I disagree with this. The guy ran a 4.36 and has shown great speed on the field. Why would they lower him? Either they are seeing something that Packers fans are not or they are making a mistake....I am betting on the latter however.

That's fine and I pointed this out.

THe post you are quoting is the point I have been making. I'm not here arguing about Nick Colllins speed, I haven't watched him enough to have an opinion either way.

tflash81 answered the question in the title of the thread which is what I have been trying to do all along.

Franchise-star-21...You are trying to argue his speed with me which is not what I am doing. I am explaining the logic behind how someones speed rating can drop so drastically in a year for seemingly no reason (EA feels he was undervalued in the first place) and I thought I have been pretty clear about that.

I'm not here to debate his speed with you, I'm answering the question you asked in the original post.

[rice_n_gravy]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

this argument can be had for every player who had 80-85 speed in previous years yet were giving under 80 this year

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

this argument can be had for every player who had 80-85 speed in previous years yet were giving under 80 this year

Oh, I agree...but were the changes justified? If not, then somebody is getting the short end of the stick.

[Maelstrom-XIII]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

Oh, I agree...but were the changes justified? If not, then somebody is getting the short end of the stick.

I think it all boils down to whether or not the changes were proportional across the board, with respect to re-evaluating and stretching ratings. Did all safeties go down a few points?

The problem here is that while most players DO indeed go down a few points, those big names you're always hearing on Sportscenter keep getting "benefit of the doubt" and bumped up in virtually every category...as long as the changes are kept proportional (ie if Nick Collins goes down a few points, so does Polamalu, Reed, etc), then a lot of people wouldn't have a problem with it...however, some people will still just want their team to be rated all 90s all the time just because...

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

I think it all boils down to whether or not the changes were proportional across the board, with respect to re-evaluating and stretching ratings. Did all safeties go down a few points?

The problem here is that while most players DO indeed go down a few points, those big names you're always hearing on Sportscenter keep getting "benefit of the doubt" and bumped up in virtually every category...as long as the changes are kept proportional (ie if Nick Collins goes down a few points, so does Polamalu, Reed, etc), then a lot of people wouldn't have a problem with it...however, some people will still just want their team to be rated all 90s all the time just because...

Yeah and where is the fun in that? I am a huge proponent of accuracy in ratings as well as variety in ratings. Stretching them out is a good thing. Madden 98-2003 was the best. After that, it got ridiculous and now I can't stand what EA does.

[rice_n_gravy]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

Yeah and where is the fun in that? I am a huge proponent of accuracy in ratings as well as variety in ratings. Stretching them out is a good thing. Madden 98-2003 was the best. After that, it got ridiculous and now I can't stand what EA does.

you mean you werent a fan of Michael Vick constantly having a 90+ rating?

[King Gro23]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

Why is this stated more often? It's been posted once already.

"In Madden NFL 09, the WR SPD range was 85-100…CB was 87-99. In Madden NFL 10, WR SPD range is currently 70-100…CB is currently 75-99. So as you may or may not tell, the SPD range has been pushed down, in our opinions, to better reflect the “sim-gameplay” style that Ian and Phil have been telling you about all winter long. This SPD change has been updated for each position, so it makes a huge game play affect."<!-- / message -->

Also about the strength rating, There truly is not attribute available to showcase how physical someone is. Also I think people look into strength far too much as weight values means he is a boss on the field. Prime example of some strong players but you couldn't tell on the field.
Percy Harvin

"He is absolutely jacked right now. It is rumored that he throwing up 435 (previously 405) on his bench press. Urban Meyer calls Percy Harvin the strongest guy pound-for-pound on the Florida roster, and opposing defenses have been burned by the fact that they underestimated Percy Harvin's strength."

Also you know there are guys out there who put up poor weight room numbers but look strong and are physical beasts on the field. It's in the game. As someone else posted I see certain attributes positionally weighted. Ben Should probably be the strongest QB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71lCyFcql7w

At the 2:05 mark he is getting burned by Roy Williams WR, Dal.
& 4:04 making a Int with run, better yet 4:42 Nick Collins is my favorite safety, I think he has been top 3 Free safety for about 2 years. But look at the clips the man isnt that fast, but he is fast and I know when he flys across the field and makes running INT's and takes them to the house he looks elite fast but everyone else is changing direction and building up acceleration. His closing speed is elite, just not total speed.

Again showcasing his speed, but 93 is worthy IMo or even a 90. Agility and acceleration are top notch though http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IzDboGfUgk

[Franchise-Star-21]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

Because he didn't deserve a 93 speed in the first place, and when they realized their mistake, they lowered it.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME ? Watch NFL then talk.

[Franchise-Star-21]

Re: Why would someone's speed rating fall in 2-3 years?

I think it all boils down to whether or not the changes were proportional across the board, with respect to re-evaluating and stretching ratings. Did all safeties go down a few points?

The problem here is that while most players DO indeed go down a few points, those big names you're always hearing on Sportscenter keep getting "benefit of the doubt" and bumped up in virtually every category...as long as the changes are kept proportional (ie if Nick Collins goes down a few points, so does Polamalu, Reed, etc), then a lot of people wouldn't have a problem with it...however, some people will still just want their team to be rated all 90s all the time just because...

No and that is the thing... I mentioned before

Why is it that Collins is the only one that fell from 93 speed, and all others like Reggie Nelson , Troy Polamalu, Brandon Merriweather, etc. Stayed at 93?
And there is no reason at all for that, because Nick Collin is the fastest out of all.