Will Madden 12 use the same engine from the previous 6 maddens on 360/ps3?

[TheTruth437]

Re: Will Madden 12 use the same engine from the previous 6 maddens on 360/ps3?

I didn't buy Madden 11 because of the poor franchise mode and the poor gameplay. The Madden dev team needs to improve the gameplay and offline franchise if they want me to buy Madden 12.

[roadman]

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I didn't buy Madden 11 because of the poor franchise mode and the poor gameplay. The Madden dev team needs to improve the gameplay and offline franchise if they want me to buy Madden 12.

I agree with offline franchise. They need to really beef that up.

By the last patch, game play became much better. They used a tuner set and really tightened things up.

[gmen92]

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This is exactly why I'm calling it a bold statement. Madden hasn't, at least in my opinion, surpassed 2k5 as a football gaming experience, yet he claims that they can match every sports game on the market today if they had enough time.

The problem is that the other sports games are improving on a yearly basis as well and Madden might end up being the game that tries to add the things we saw elsewhere years ago. This is in itself not a problem, but Tiburon doesn't have the best track record of making features work properly from day one, but more recently have actually earned a new reputation of making them worse with patches.

Agree.. At this point its getting comical.. Its amazing how Madden has not caught up yet?? Even adembroski can't truely explain why, his response was, it takes time??? Really 6+ years has not been long enough??? If not how long does it take?? I think we are all getting tired of all the excuses Madden team..............

[BlueNGold]

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Agree.. At this point its getting comical.. Its amazing how Madden has not caught up yet?? Even adembroski can't truely explain why, his response was, it takes time??? Really 6+ years has not been long enough??? If not how long does it take?? I think we are all getting tired of all the excuses Madden team..............

Do you expect the Oakland Raiders to go from the NFL's laughing stock to title contenders in 1 year?

If you answered yes, then I can see why you think this way.

The fact is there's been mistakes made throughout the past however many years of next gen Madden. They went in the completely wrong direction with the focus being on tournament-style gameplay and presentation that was supposed to make you feel like you were "inside the stadium" (this would be similar to Oakland drafting JaMarcus Russelll). It takes longer than we'd all want to correct a lot of those things and you can't just fix the issue overnight.

Yes, there has been mistakes made lately as well -- I'm not sure if GameFlow was a good idea and ProTak hasn't worked out like it was supposed to -- but like I said, it's hard to expect things to get good at the snap of a finger. It took games like The Show, NBA 2K and EA's NHL years to get to the points they're at today. A big reason why they've gotten there before Madden has is because they didn't set the franchise back years by "drafting a bust" so to speak.

[hyacinth1]

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Do you expect the Oakland Raiders to go from the NFL's laughing stock to title contenders in 1 year?

If you answered yes, then I can see why you think this way.

The fact is there's been mistakes made throughout the past however many years of next gen Madden. They went in the completely wrong direction with the focus being on tournament-style gameplay and presentation that was supposed to make you feel like you were "inside the stadium" (this would be similar to Oakland drafting JaMarcus Russelll). It takes longer than we'd all want to correct a lot of those things and you can't just fix the issue overnight.

Yes, there has been mistakes made lately as well -- I'm not sure if GameFlow was a good idea and ProTak hasn't worked out like it was supposed to -- but like I said, it's hard to expect things to get good at the snap of a finger. It took games like The Show, NBA 2K and EA's NHL years to get to the points they're at today. A big reason why they've gotten there before Madden has is because they didn't set the franchise back years by "drafting a bust" so to speak.

I don't think your analogy is valid. They did turn it around in 1 year with Madden 10. That game was equal to NHL 09 and FIFA 09 where those games started w/ those base titles in their 3 year plan and in 3 years, now those titles are awesome. Madden 10 was that first game in Tiburon's 3 year plan but instead of building on 10, they stayed pat and in some cases went backwards with 11 (I agree 11 plays a whole lot better now with the last patch but how long did we have to wait for that fix - if this had been known why buy the game in August at full price when it will get better 4 mo later at a discounted price).

IMO, Tiburon has never delivered with this series. If they cannot, why not give this game over to EA Canada. Those guys have shown they know how to make quality titles.

[BlueNGold]

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I don't think your analogy is valid. They did turn it around in 1 year with Madden 10. That game was equal to NHL 09 and FIFA 09 where those games started w/ those base titles in their 3 year plan and in 3 years, now those titles are awesome. Madden 10 was that first game in Tiburon's 3 year plan but instead of building on 10, they stayed pat and in some cases went backwards with 11 (I agree 11 plays a whole lot better now with the last patch but how long did we have to wait for that fix - if this had been known why buy the game in August at full price when it will get better 4 mo later at a discounted price).

IMO, Tiburon has never delivered with this series. If they cannot, why not give this game over to EA Canada. Those guys have shown they know how to make quality titles.

NHL and FIFA never had to recover from hilariously bad games in Madden 06-09 (09 was a little better, but still pretty bad). NHL and FIFA started off in the right direction whereas Madden was going the Madden Challenge route of catering to a lot of those tournament guys that look for every exploit like rolling out to the sidelines.

Half of Madden 10's development was probably spent fixing problems from the past games (the very inaccurate unis, the sideline rollouts I mentioned, no pocket forming, slowing down the game speed, etc) and according to AJ/adembroski, a lot of time was spent re-doing the run blocking code in 11, so to expect Madden to be where NHL and FIFA are now is short-sighted IMO.

[RGiles36]

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I would love to see what Ian has to say about this Video clip above with the comparisons of 08 vs 11?? I doubt he would, but i would really love to hear what his thoughts are on this... How can an 08 old verison of Madden have 2 man gang tackling but a NEW 2011 version not?? Aren't the new versions suppose to improve and have better features?? I just don't get it?? Are they going to do what they did with the Refs and take them out then put them back later as a new feature?? Please someone explain it to me like im a 5 year old...

M11 doesn't have 2-man gang tackling??? Oh ok.

The Madden fanbase sure is remarkable. Why, I remember when M08 came not, NO ONE had anything nice to say about that game. Well, maybe no one other than Countryboy (OSer). Now this turd of a football game has some bright spots? Please.

Objectively, I don't think there's ANYTHING that M08 does better than M11.

[guaps]

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Do you expect the Oakland Raiders to go from the NFL's laughing stock to title contenders in 1 year?

Not to sound like a broken record, but a more appropriate analogy would be:

Do you expect the Oakland Raiders to become title contenders after 6+ years, if they had no competition or if their competition weren't allowed to improve?

And my answer would be an astounding yes.

NHL and FIFA never had to recover from hilariously bad games in Madden 06-09 (09 was a little better, but still pretty bad). NHL and FIFA started off in the right direction whereas Madden was going the Madden Challenge route of catering to a lot of those tournament guys that look for every exploit like rolling out to the sidelines.

It's not the same situations as both NHL and FIFA had competition breathing down their neck. Mistakes would have been very costly to them - just look at how NBA Live/Elite is paying for their mistakes now.

Also Madden can make improvements in one area and then put it aside for two-three years, because they don't feel any heat. If we had multiple developers and Madden consumers started complaining about, say, tackling, then any competitor would know that they could increase their market share by presenting superior tackling in their game. And vice versa, Madden knew they had to focus on tackling to keep their market share or surpass something that their competitors did really well.

[DarkOmnios]

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FIFA on the last gen was almost nothing compared to PES, in the last 4/6 titles PES had always better numbers and a lot of players and FIFA was always the same game with a engine in a bad shape, FIFA made the right thing build a engine from scratch and the results speak for themselves.


FIFA have a larger number of players and the game has really make a jump to the front. NHL, FIFA and NBA 2K made that jump, their games have a awesome evolution compared with the old gen.


The truth is some teams had to take a risk, and FIFA, NHL and NBA 2K team are on the right track.

The Madden team have to take that leap, for better or worse has to take it.

The Madden next gen has stop in time, the game needs a radical change, people may like the actual Madden game,but EA Tiburon had so much time to take Madden to a whole new level....

[jeter414]

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This is by far one of the worst games they have ever created..... but hopefully it gets better in 12.

[roadman]

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(I agree 11 plays a whole lot better now with the last patch but how long did we have to wait for that fix - if this had been known why buy the game in August at full price when it will get better 4 mo later at a discounted price).

You must live in a great area for sale prices.

The NCAA Football and Maddens of the world at BB and Wallyworld in this neck of the woods are still selling for $60 bucks.

[rspencer86]

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FIFA on the last gen was almost nothing compared to PES, in the last 4/6 titles PES had always better numbers and a lot of players and FIFA was always the same game with a engine in a bad shape, FIFA made the right thing build a engine from scratch and the results speak for themselves.


The Madden team have to take that leap, for better or worse has to take it.

That right there, in bold, is the problem.

When you are lagging behind a competitor in sales, drastic changes to improve quality make sense.

Then you have Madden, which is still selling like hotcakes despite constant complaints from people on forums like these. Good sales, no competition. Therefore, no reason to innovate.

It really is as simple as that, guys. When sales take a significant nosedive, or competition emerges, then and ONLY then will we see significant improvements.

[LiquorLogic]

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You must live in a great area for sale prices.

The NCAA Football and Maddens of the world at BB and Wallyworld in this neck of the woods are still selling for $60 bucks.

NCAA and Madden cost $60 if you by them new. I imagine that you can get Madden and NCAA 11 at a much cheaper price if you bought it used now versus buying it used in August or September.

That right there, in bold, is the problem.

When you are lagging behind a competitor in sales, drastic changes to improve quality make sense.

Then you have Madden, which is still selling like hotcakes despite constant complaints from people on forums like these. Good sales, no competition. Therefore, no reason to innovate.

It really is as simple as that, guys. When sales take a significant nosedive, or competition emerges, then and ONLY then will we see significant improvements.

Exactly, and since competition ain't emerging anytime soon, sales taking a nosedive is our only shot at a quality, and innovative, football game. Speak with your wallet people; if you need your NFL football fix, please exercise some patience and purchase the game used. That way, even if you purchase the online pass you'll still only be giving EA $10 instead of $65. If a substantial amount of people do that, EA's sales numbers will feel it.

Save $65 or $55.

[roadman]

Re: Will Madden 12 use the same engine from the previous 6 maddens on 360/ps3?

NCAA and Madden cost $60 if you by them new. I imagine that you can get Madden and NCAA 11 at a much cheaper price if you bought it used now versus buying it used in August or September.

Well, of course, I was going by new games only.

If you are an online player, add another 10 bucks for used games and you are probably pretty close to the original price, give or take some.

[kjcheezhead]

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NCAA and Madden cost $60 if you by them new. I imagine that you can get Madden and NCAA 11 at a much cheaper price if you bought it used now versus buying it used in August or September.

Two years in a row the game has gone on sale for 39.99 just before xmas and about the time the final patches are released.

After madden 10, I purchase used around the end of August and usually end up spending slightly more or the same than if I had bought new. Just a personal choice, I feel better knowing I did not support the exclusive license. It's the only game I buy used all year.