Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

[Gotmadskillzson]

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Roy Harvey ??? Dang........Wonder why Josh wasn't made the head. Or Mike Scantlebury. Maybe those 2 like staying behind the scenes I guess.

[LiquorLogic]

Re: Phil Frazier the Latest to Leave EA Sports Tiburon Studio

Wait, they both had a huge hand in this years game which has added a potentially great franchise mode, why do you think they had nothing to do with it when they were both there for the largest parts of development?

Even though they are responsible for the improvement of M12 over M11, the potentially great franchise mode, if you really look at it, is merely a re-hash of Head Coach 09 with dynamic player performance.

What are we getting in the franchise mode of Madden 12 that we haven't already gotten in HC09 ?

This series is two years behind in my opinion. If Madden 12 was Madden 10, it would been ground breaking. If Madden 11 was Madden 09, but had the tackling of M08, it would have too been golden. If Madden 08 was Madden 06, people would've have been a lot happier.

This dev team was behind the eight ball from the get go, with this generation, and they couldn't get it back on track. Madden 12 is a huge step, but maybe, just maybe, Cam Weber intends to get this franchise caught up to the rest of the sports genre.

So, if Madden 12 is a great game, you still calling him out?

What would make Madden a great game is subjective. Some people just want the other game, or it's comparisons, to disappear. Some people want Madden to catch up with The Show and NBA 2k. People want different things. I'm actually part of the former and the latter. I ultimately want Madden to be on the same level as NBA 2k and The Show, but realistically, I just hope that, for me, comparisons to the other game(s) are no longer possible.

For Cam Weber, I'm sure that his goal is to match, if not exceed, the efforts of the other sports titles on the market. With this group that was never going to happen.

Hey now, let's not downplay Doritos. They are pretty damn delicious.

Keep your hands off my momma; keep your hands off my Doritos !

[Broncos86]

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It doesn't matter who is the lead, who is executive. That individual will be hated, reviled, loved, supported, bashed, insulted, exalted, and everything in between.

There is no answer, only Zuul.

[Scottdau]

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I just want to say thanks to Phil for all his hard work on Madden. And go luck in your new direction. I am loving what I am seeing in this year's game! Also to attack someone and say good riddance. I am shocked, especially at OS. We are usually better than that.

[adembroski]

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Roy Harvey ??? Dang........Wonder why Josh wasn't made the head. Or Mike Scantlebury. Maybe those 2 like staying behind the scenes I guess.

Production and Design are different roles... Josh and Mike are both designers. I am also a designer, and I'll say it straight out; I would not want Phil's job. It's a whole lot of schedules and meetings and spreadsheets and way too much business for me. I want to get my hands dirty... I want to watch my designs become reality in game.

To address how this affects Madden; Cam Weber has really set us on a course that I believe is going to result in great things from Madden in the future. I think he's a fine leader and has a great sim oriented vision for Madden.

If you'd told me six months ago that Ian and Phil (the two people most instramental in bringing me here) would be gone by the time I finished my first contract, I don't think I'd have come... but I just signed my extention, and I'm going to stay, because I believe in where Cam is taking us. I'm nervous, because now I'm here without any of the people who brought me here, but I'm going to be working my *** off to prove myself.

[Only1LT]

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Production and Design are different roles... Josh and Mike are both designers. I am also a designer, and I'll say it straight out; I would not want Phil's job. It's a whole lot of schedules and meetings and spreadsheets and way too much business for me. I want to get my hands dirty... I want to watch my designs become reality in game.

To address how this affects Madden; Cam Weber has really set us on a course that I believe is going to result in great things from Madden in the future. I think he's a fine leader and has a great sim oriented vision for Madden.

If you'd told me six months ago that Ian and Phil (the two people most instramental in bringing me here) would be gone by the time I finished my first contract, I don't think I'd have come... but I just signed my extention, and I'm going to stay, because I believe in where Cam is taking us. I'm nervous, because now I'm here without any of the people who brought me here, but I'm going to be working my *** off to prove myself.

They thought enough of you to offer an extension. You're doing something right. Although spelling extension properly isn't one of them.

Just kidding

[thudias]

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Production and Design are different roles... Josh and Mike are both designers. I am also a designer, and I'll say it straight out; I would not want Phil's job. It's a whole lot of schedules and meetings and spreadsheets and way too much business for me. I want to get my hands dirty... I want to watch my designs become reality in game.

To address how this affects Madden; Cam Weber has really set us on a course that I believe is going to result in great things from Madden in the future. I think he's a fine leader and has a great sim oriented vision for Madden.

If you'd told me six months ago that Ian and Phil (the two people most instramental in bringing me here) would be gone by the time I finished my first contract, I don't think I'd have come... but I just signed my extention, and I'm going to stay, because I believe in where Cam is taking us. I'm nervous, because now I'm here without any of the people who brought me here, but I'm going to be working my *** off to prove myself.

Speaks volumes...

[Broncos86]

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To address how this affects Madden; Cam Weber has really set us on a course that I believe is going to result in great things from Madden in the future. I think he's a fine leader and has a great sim oriented vision for Madden.

This, coming from Adembroski, is good to hear and should be enough for this community to chill out.

[bucky60]

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Again, with all due respect, a few people leaving a company several weeks apart from each other doesn't get front page news all the time.

A few low level people no, but two top officials leaving, yes it is at any corporation.

[adfletch71]

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Production and Design are different roles... Josh and Mike are both designers. I am also a designer, and I'll say it straight out; I would not want Phil's job. It's a whole lot of schedules and meetings and spreadsheets and way too much business for me. I want to get my hands dirty... I want to watch my designs become reality in game.

To address how this affects Madden; Cam Weber has really set us on a course that I believe is going to result in great things from Madden in the future. I think he's a fine leader and has a great sim oriented vision for Madden.

If you'd told me six months ago that Ian and Phil (the two people most instramental in bringing me here) would be gone by the time I finished my
first contract, I don't think I'd have come... but I just signed my extention, and I'm going to stay, because I believe in where Cam is taking us. I'm nervous, because now I'm here without any of the people who brought me
here, but I'm going to be working my *** off to prove myself.

I hope also, u already know what the community have been asking for years now. He said he's a sim gamer, so I'm holding him too his word for the direction of Madden in the future. Surpass NFL2k5 presentation and ALLPRO2k8 gameplay and Madden will be the game.

[canes21]

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I hope also, u already know what the community have been asking for years now. He said he's a sim gamer, so I'm holding him too his word for the direction of Madden in the future. Surpass NFL2k5 presentation and ALLPRO2k8 gameplay and Madden will be the game.

Their presentation looks better than 2k5, it just doesn't sound better. I think too many people have memories of 2k5 and they always think of the game better than it really was. I know I do all the time. I'll have a thought to play it, then I actually will and it won't be nearly as good as I remember.

As for gameplay surpassing 2k8. That is all opinion based. Some people may have always like Madden's gameplay over 2k's and vice-versa. I always preferred 2k's gameplay, but I think Madden is catching up quickly. Both games have their problems, but Madden's are slowly going away. My biggest problem with EA's games were suction and the lack of defense. Those are addressed so I will not be surprised if I like the gameplay this year a lot more than 2k8. 2k8 had a lot of problems too with its gameplay that Madden did better, and maybe even more than it did better than Madden.

[Only1LT]

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This, coming from Adembroski, is good to hear and should be enough for this community to chill out.

I'm already plenty chilled lol, but even if I wasn't, no disrespect, but an EA/Tiburon employee saying that everything is ok with EA/Tiburon and Madden is really the only thing that said employee would ever say, regardless.

Not saying that everything isn't ok, but if it wasn't, I have a very hard time believing that they would actually tell us that the sky is falling.

Just saying.

[Only1LT]

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Their presentation looks better than 2k5, it just doesn't sound better. I think too many people have memories of 2k5 and they always think of the game better than it really was. I know I do all the time. I'll have a thought to play it, then I actually will and it won't be nearly as good as I remember.

As for gameplay surpassing 2k8. That is all opinion based. Some people may have always like Madden's gameplay over 2k's and vice-versa. I always preferred 2k's gameplay, but I think Madden is catching up quickly. Both games have their problems, but Madden's are slowly going away. My biggest problem with EA's games were suction and the lack of defense. Those are addressed so I will not be surprised if I like the gameplay this year a lot more than 2k8. 2k8 had a lot of problems too with its gameplay that Madden did better, and maybe even more than it did better than Madden.

The first part is all opinion based as well though. I happen to think that 2K5 presentation is still better.

I like the presentation improvements in 12, but they would do themselves a huge favor if they didn't cover up all those shiny new presentation aspects, that they plunked a huge chunk of change on, with the play call screen.

I really can't understand why they continue to do this. Might as well not spend the money if you can't even see where it went.

[roadman]

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A few low level people no, but two top officials leaving, yes it is at any corporation.

I'm not sure you read my whole post?

I mentioned that I equate Ian and Phi as managers and directors in a large size company. To me, this isn't Peter Moore or the CFO jumping ship.

Keeping it simple. A company like Miller Brewery with 5,000 or 2,000 employees. Let's say a Manager of IT leaves and then 6 weeks later the Director of IT leaves. It might be big news to that department and connecting departments, but it won't make the Front Page headlines in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel business section.

That's my point.

[Only1LT]

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I'm not sure you read my whole post?

I mentioned that I equate Ian and Phi as managers and directors in a large size company. To me, this isn't Peter Moore or the CFO jumping ship.

Keeping it simple. A company like Miller Brewery with 5,000 or 2,000 employees. Let's say a Manager of IT leaves and then 6 weeks later the Director of IT leaves. It might be big news to that department and connecting departments, but it won't make the Front Page headlines in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel business section.

That's my point.

For what it's worth, I know what you are saying lol.