Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

[Scottdau]

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Madden had no chance of succeeding with 2k lovers. That game was their everything and EA won the rights. The EA hate was formed. Madden 12 has the best presentation I have ever seen in a football game. I hope the new crew pops in here again and give the community a second chance.

[bkrich83]

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In theory that's a good idea, but when people don't get their personal wish, or something they think is the most important, get the fire extinguisher. When you interact with anybody on any level, at any age, and in any setting, you will get good reactions and bad reactions.

I've been on other forums, and as far as respectfulness goes, OS is the cream of the crop. In my perception, the only problem is that fan-boys, or Madden apologists don't face the same threat of punitive measures as the so called haters. People who blindly defend the game, without saying what they like, or tell people " It's just a video game, get over it, " or " nobody forced you to buy the game " cause as many threads to go down hill as the "haters."

To me, people like that are as much of a problem as trolls. I mean, if it's just a video game to them, and they don't take it that seriously, like they claim, why even click on a thread where people are expressing negative opinions about the game ?

It's one thing to disagree with someone's opinion and explain why, but it's another thing to say that they don't even have the right to have, or express,their opinion. When you to someone "it's just a video game," that's really what you're saying.

You have to be part of some social experiment regarding internet forums.

[BrianFifaFan]

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Atari 2600 Combat and sky diver. Enough said! . Good points BK.

Combat. Loved how the tank actually had the rumble. Dang it, you've got me de-railing the thread again! LOL! I actually loved Warlords. Had the curve down to a science. Man, been playing these games far too long. Maybe ya'll are right. Maybe I need to go into Gamer's Annon. "Hi I'm Brian and I'm an addict...." It's sad, I get up at 3:30AM just to play so I don't neglect my kids. "put down the controller......."

[Scottdau]

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I'm 100% behind this. There was far to much of the overboard, personal attacks. I'm just saying that legitimate angry, frustrated criticism or many times any criticism gets bullied. I see it happen a lot. But I am 100% behind your post.

I hear what you are saying, but to get angry other this stuff. Just seems a little pointless. If people get angry over a video game then video games are probably not for them.

[bucky60]

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Your wish has been granted.

http://www.hotud.org/rpg/tag/developer/XOR+Corporation/criteria:3/

Third game down.

Never played it.

I'm downloading it. THANKS.

[bkrich83]

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I'm downloading it. THANKS.

There's an app out there that slows down how your CPU executes old dos apps. You may need to track that down as well.

[bucky60]

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Maybe it's just me but being angry over a video game doesn't mean common courtesy should go out the window.

The devs are not responsible for the licensing agreement. Why attack them over it. They have no say in that deal. If people are that angry with the agreement they should be writing angry emails and letters to the NFL. The NFL drives that train.

Now see, you say attack, and personal attacks should never be tolerated. But, when your company has an exclusive license and the product is sub par for many years, then it is perfectly legit for customers to voice there displeasure over the game and there displeasure over not having any alternate choices. That just has to be common sense. That's legit, just don't make personal attacks against individuals. That's crossing way over the line and should never happen, and it did.

[bkrich83]

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Now see, you say attack, and personal attacks should never be tolerated. But, when your company has an exclusive license and the product is sub par for many years, then it is perfectly legit for customers to voice there displeasure over the game and there displeasure over not having any alternate choices. That just has to be common sense. That's legit, just don't make personal attacks against individuals. That's crossing way over the line and should never happen, and it did.

Again if you're that upset hit the NFL up. They are the owners of that fiasco.

[Pared]

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Guys, let's get back to the thread topic please.

Thanks.

[bucky60]

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Madden had no chance of succeeding with 2k lovers. That game was their everything and EA won the rights. The EA hate was formed. Madden 12 has the best presentation I have ever seen in a football game. I hope the new crew pops in here again and give the community a second chance.

Now this here is exactly the attitude people face. If you criticize the game for being sub par you are a 2K fan boy. Madden didn't stand a chance. Never mind that we are what, 7 years into a new gen, and the game still hasn't reached where it was with the prev gen. I'm smart enough to see it, and guess what, I never owned NFL2k. They never made it for the PC, so I always got madden instead. Then EA took Madden away from PC'ers. Red Dead Redemption not being on the PC finally forced me to go out and get a console, and Madden STILL hadn't gotten back to where it was WELL over half a decade ago. That's just the truth. Has nothing to do with whether madden was given a chance or not. EA/TIB didn't deliver.

[bucky60]

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Guys, let's get back to the thread topic please.

Thanks.

Sure thing.

[bkrich83]

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Now this here is exactly the attitude people face. If you criticize the game for being sub par you are a 2K fan boy. Madden didn't stand a chance. Never mind that we are what, 7 years into a new gen, and the game still hasn't reached where it was with the prev gen. I'm smart enough to see it, and guess what, I never owned NFL2k. They never made it for the PC, so I always got madden instead. Then EA took Madden away from PC'ers. Red Dead Redemption not being on the PC finally forced me to go out and get a console, and Madden STILL hadn't gotten back to where it was WELL over half a decade ago. That's just the truth. Has nothing to do with whether madden was given a chance or not. EA/TIB didn't deliver.

I disagree. I hated Madden on previous gen. I prefer '11 to any previous gen version. Not that I really think '11 is that great.

[BrianFifaFan]

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Madden had no chance of succeeding with 2k lovers. That game was their everything and EA won the rights. The EA hate was formed. Madden 12 has the best presentation I have ever seen in a football game. I hope the new crew pops in here again and give the community a second chance.

I don't know about that. I got in arguments at work with "Maddenheads," I was such a 2k fanboy. Ian actually finally cured me. I did/do believe in him. Just had to temper my expectations. And, believe it or not, I wasn't trying to get into a peeing match with Pared. I know you, and most of the others in this thread want to have the developers do like the old days, I just don't see a scenario where it would work. It wasn't Ian's or Phil's fault. It was just reality. All of the above points are valid, about developers having thick skin, pinhead posters and how the forum changed over the course of the Madden interaction, in particular. In a perfect world folks would be nice and Madden would be the perfect game. I really think that Madden has a far better chance of achieving "perfection." And maybe that'll happen with the new guys in charge.

In a feeble attempt to bridge the gap and get back on topic, I feel that it was as much the sales loss as any better opportunity that led to the voluntary departure of Phil. I can only speculate, but it still makes no sense to me that if all were well in Tiburon land that either would leave. All we could see are the gaming site interviews. Nobody knew anything from that. It looked all "hunky-dory." No indication of impending departure. Now I've had my issues with my job, but I"ve got babies to feed. And according to Ian, Phil's not coming to Sham-Bow-Wow, or whatever it's called. Come now, I know we tend to get "chicken little" and "grassy-knoll" around these parts. But come on. Go do the PR circuit and come back and resign? Hmmm..... 2+2=3? Something ain't adding up.... And who will take over for Roy Harvey? How long will it take for the new super-sized gameplay team to impact core gameplay on both games? I want to know what Pasta knows.....

[BrianFifaFan]

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Guys, let's get back to the thread topic please.

Thanks.

Sorry. Was typing when you wrote this. But my ESP was working. Halfway through I heard a voice saying "back on topic!"

[dougdeuce]

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I think it boils down to the fact that some people just don't know how to voice negative opinions, and some people don't know how to receive them. This is not exclusive to forums. I've seen grown men spew venom at teenagers in retail shops because they misunderstood a sale and thought they were getting ripped off. The teenager of course had nothing to do with that misunderstanding, but tempers flare and ignorance wins out, and an adult acts like a child because he feel he was lied to and absolutely destroys another humans day to make himself feel better...

Now, my point is, even though the 300 customers before this guy were polite, and chances are that the next 300 will he as well, that person is going to suffer from a residual feeling of negativity. They may even not want to come to work anymore.

Thanks to the anonymity ot the internet, this behavior becomes common, and all it takes is one bad apple...

I understand saying that default should have thick skin, but that should be for when people are saying that your product is inferior, not for when some A-hole calls them wastes of life, or personally attacks them. How many times did I read how Ian was lazy or a liar, followed by pages of personal attacks. This type of behaviour is totally unacceptable imo.