Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

[bucky60]

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Again, the devs, since this is a video game forum, aren't purely interacting with adults. There will be children on here, so if the developers want to interact with people on this forum, they have to expect that there will be some childishness.

And they should expect warranted criticism. I don't mind criticizing a game that deserves it, or criticizing the decision or direction a company takes a game in, but just don't go with personal attacks against them.

[roadman]

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

You might want to re-read my post. No where did I justify anything.



Again, the devs, since this is a video game forum, aren't purely interacting with adults. There will be children on here, so if the developers want to interact with people on this forum, they have to expect that there will be some childishness.

But you conviently left out the 1st part of your post which is entirely wrong. Sounds like I'm at the ok corral. You made a lousy game, now, ready, aim fire.

Maybe those people "returned the volley" by spitting in the devs faces (so to speak) because that's what they felt was done to them, and they were just returning the volley. I really don't see how the developers could have expected anything else.

That, by no means, is justifiable.

[bucky60]

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It wasnt close to valid criticism. It was pure venom. It was personal. It had little to do with the actual game.

I have to disagree. Valid criticism gets run over by a truck here quite often. And with developers and game designer, it gets personal. What I mean is, developers put so much into something that harsh criticism is taken personally. It's human nature. And there are a lot of people on OS that attack ANY criticism. It does happen quite frequently.

Personal attacks, and they also happened here and far to much of it, is intolerable.

[bkrich83]

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I have to disagree. Valid criticism gets run over by a truck here quite often. And with developers and game designer, it gets personal. What I mean is, you put so much into something that harsh criticism is taken personally. It's human nature. And there are a lot of people on OS that attack ANY criticism. It does happen quite frequently.

Not personal attacks, and they also happened here and far to much of it, is intolerable.

What I am talking about which led to a loss of dev intetraction had nothing to do with valid criticism. As others have said, the devs were actually threatened with physical harm. It was so venomous and so personal it was truly unbelievable. I don't blame them for abandoning ship.

I've had plenty of criticism for this game but I am not going to call a dev a POS because I don't like some design decision they made.

[BrianFifaFan]

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Some people are just spoiled little babies. At least at OS we don't have too much of those. But a lot of the members remember football games on the atari 2600. So we are happy with Madden.

Had that, Intellivision, too. SportsTalk, etc....For their time they made me very happy. So did Atari Circus and the little teeter-toter.Heck, I didn't hate E.T. on the Atari as much as the rest o the civilizedworld did. I am happy enough with Madden to buy it. But I'd be lying if I didn't say that I'm more happy with NBA2k and Fifa. I'd like to be equally happy all around. Not too much to ask, no? Maybe that is in all of our mutual futures. That's all I really want....

[bucky60]

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Maybe those people "returned the volley" by spitting in the devs faces (so to speak) because that's what they felt was done to them, and they were just returning the volley. I really don't see how the developers could have expected anything else.

That, by no means, is justifiable.

Like I said, personal attack are not justified. But if you put out a sub par product for as long as they have, while any alternative are taken away, then you have to expect angry customers. Again, personal attacks are not justified.

[bucky60]

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Had that, Intellivision, too. SportsTalk, etc....

Who remembers XOR football (PC). I remember when I thought that was the greatest thing. Sure would like to find it somewhere and install it for giggles.

[bkrich83]

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Like I said, personal attack are not justified. But if you put out a sub par product for as long as they have, while any alternative are taken away, then you have to expect angry customers. Again, personal attacks are not justified.

The other products not being there had nothing to do with the devs. This was far beyond just angry customers.

[bkrich83]

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Who remembers XOR football (PC). I remember when I thought that was the greatest thing. Sure would like to find it somewhere and install it for giggles.

I played the crap out of it. It's abandonware. You can download it. It's out there.

[bucky60]

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

What I am talking about which led to a loss of dev intetraction had nothing to do with valid criticism. As others have said, the devs were actually threatened with physical harm. It was so venomous and so personal it was truly unbelievable. I don't blame them for abandoning ship.

I've had plenty of criticism for this game but I am not going to call a dev a POS because I don't like some design decision they made.

I'm 100% behind this. There was far to much of the overboard, personal attacks. I'm just saying that legitimate angry, frustrated criticism or many times any criticism gets bullied. I see it happen a lot. But I am 100% behind your post.

[roadman]

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Your wish has been granted.

http://www.hotud.org/rpg/tag/developer/XOR+Corporation/criteria:3/

Third game down.

Never played it.

[Scottdau]

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Had that, Intellivision, too. SportsTalk, etc....For their time they made me very happy. So did Atari Circus and the little teeter-toter.Heck, I didn't hate E.T. on the Atari as much as the rest o the civilizedworld did. I am happy enough with Madden to buy it. But I'd be lying if I didn't say that I'm more happy with NBA2k and Fifa. I'd like to be equally happy all around. Not too much to ask, no? Maybe that is in all of our mutual futures. That's all I really want....

Atari 2600 Combat and sky diver. Enough said! . Good points BK.

[bucky60]

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

The other products not being there had nothing to do with the devs. This was far beyond just angry customers.

Whether exclusive license was out of there control or not, they still have to expect angry customers. If they would have kept improving the game from the prev gen consoles and PC, and provided a game on par with others of it's genre (like NBA2k11), then customers aren't angry. Or if a customer has choices, they're probably not angry.

With the way things went, they all had to expect angry customers.

[LiquorLogic]

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You bolded out my Direct! I'm all for it, in the proper scenario and with professional distance applied. I like the intern idea. Then a drop in by the actual responsible developer for the specific wishlist and saying "we've got it." That's the least problematic way, IMO. Then a follow-up vid saying "this is what we did" would be cool, too. Then we are heard, there are less modding problems and the temptation to get too big for your britches and getting the "BanHammer" is negated. That's all I'm sayin'.... Personal space..... Stay back! LOL!

In theory that's a good idea, but when people don't get their personal wish, or something they think is the most important, get the fire extinguisher. When you interact with anybody on any level, at any age, and in any setting, you will get good reactions and bad reactions.

I've been on other forums, and as far as respectfulness goes, OS is the cream of the crop. In my perception, a big problem is that the fan-boys, or Madden apologists don't face the same threat of punitive measures as the so called haters. People who blindly defend the game, without saying what they like, or tell people " It's just a video game, get over it, " or " nobody forced you to buy the game " cause as many threads to go down hill as the "haters."

To me, people like that are as much of a problem as trolls. I mean, if it's just a video game to them, and they don't take it that seriously, like they claim, why even click on a thread where people are expressing negative opinions about the game ?

It's one thing to disagree with someone's opinion and explain why, but it's another thing to say that they don't even have the right to have, or express,their opinion. When you say to someone "it's just a video game," that's really what you're saying: their opinion and/or passion about the game is unnecessary.

The other products not being there had nothing to do with the devs. This was far beyond just angry customers.

The devs took the job and the money. They were aware of the strained relationship of the community and EA/Tiburon, so they have to expect some backlash if they make promises to the community, whom they know are already angry, and then they don't deliver. They signed up for it.

[bkrich83]

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Whether exclusive license was out of there control or not, they still have to expect angry customers. If they would have kept improving the game from the prev gen consoles and PC, and provided a game on par with others of it's genre (like NBA2k11), then customers aren't angry. Or if a customer has choices, they're probably not angry.

With the way things went, they all had to expect angry customers.

Maybe it's just me but being angry over a video game doesn't mean common courtesy should go out the window.

The devs are not responsible for the licensing agreement. Why attack them over it. They have no say in that deal. If people are that angry with the agreement they should be writing angry emails and letters to the NFL. The NFL drives that train.