Madden NFL 13 Video Interview - EA Tiburon Breaks Down Some of the New Changes

[Smoke6]

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i know exactly what you guys are referring to now.

yes it totally needs to be fixed. 100%.

at the same token I havent felt this was a issue that plagued the game. The timing of it (in my opinion) is difficult to pull off on a every play basis. It cant really be done unless you are chucking deep and if you are manipulating the receiver in that manner then i would expect your opponent to do something about it and attempt the manual catch.

i feel the pain for the guys that play CPU only bc this would be a nigthmare - knowing you could do this every rip.

is this something that you guys can honestly say that you do every single play? (still needs to be fixed) im just trying to gauge what the honest feedback of it is.

In single player its frustrating when it happens and it happens on plays where there should have been more seperation between the defender and WR. if you want it can happen all the time and most times its forcing the AI to pass the exactly where you want him too each and every time.

Online, its a tactic used by many and with the warping of players to get tot he ball even while making contact is the icing on the cake. If you are a step or 2 behind the intended WR, then it is what it is and you just have to make a play after the catch. But to intentionally hold someone from making a completion is beyond scandalous.

[Illustrator76]

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i know exactly what you guys are referring to now.

yes it totally needs to be fixed. 100%.

at the same token I havent felt this was a issue that plagued the game. The timing of it (in my opinion) is difficult to pull off on a every play basis. It cant really be done unless you are chucking deep and if you are manipulating the receiver in that manner then i would expect your opponent to do something about it and attempt the manual catch.

i feel the pain for the guys that play CPU only bc this would be a nigthmare - knowing you could do this every rip.

is this something that you guys can honestly say that you do every single play? (still needs to be fixed) im just trying to gauge what the honest feedback of it is.

Yes, I feel it is. There are a few Online Franchises that are even starting to institute a "No switch rule" when the ball is in the air because of this BS. It is ridiculously cheap and unfair to the offense. Basically, throwing a pass comes down to who can select their guy and turbo/warp to the ball the quickest while knocking the other guy out of position. EA just needs to fix all of the penalties in their football games in general. Screw all of their "supposed" telemetrics or whatever else they claim to use for tuning this stuff. The bottom line is that EA wants little Timmy to be able to have fun and success while playing defense, and not have to suffer the consequences of calling a Cover 2 Sink against a 4 Verticals play.

Ugh...

[GiantBlue76]

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Nah Road, I am mostly an online player too and online play is where I experienced this "tactic".

Just to add to this. Our league played 4 seasons and we had 32 guys. We saw two pi calls during that entire span. Two. Also, the tactic that big is referring to is common. If you use the RB button you can bump receivers at the line. It completely holds them and is blatant illegal contact. Sometimes your receiver won't ever get past 5 yards. Total mess.

[ODogg]

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Just to add to this. Our league played 4 seasons and we had 32 guys. We saw two pi calls during that entire span. Two. Also, the tactic that big is referring to is common. If you use the RB button you can bump receivers at the line. It completely holds them and is blatant illegal contact. Sometimes your receiver won't ever get past 5 yards. Total mess.

they really just need to fix the damned slider for it. I have mine at 99 in NCAA and we've played three seasons and I've seen one PI, on ME versus the computer, LOL. so stupid.

[Smoke6]

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Just to add to this. Our league played 4 seasons and we had 32 guys. We saw two pi calls during that entire span. Two. Also, the tactic that big is referring to is common. If you use the RB button you can bump receivers at the line. It completely holds them and is blatant illegal contact. Sometimes your receiver won't ever get past 5 yards. Total mess.

uhm, no on this one taz, you can hold them up to 5 yds but have to release them if it gets past that if im not mistaken what you are saying. But I have seen streak routes be held up with the defender getting right in the path of the WR and slowing him down by slowing down himself right in front of him with without a penalty being called.

But yea I believe the rule is for after 5yrds!

[Illustrator76]

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they really just need to fix the damned slider for it. I have mine at 99 in NCAA and we've played three seasons and I've seen one PI, on ME versus the computer, LOL. so stupid.

I can agree with this. If EA wants to have the default penalties basically NEVER get called, then fine, but when you crank that slider up, you better darn well start seeing realistic penalties. Also, there need to be sliders included in Online Franchise for the people that want more realistic penalty calls there as well.

[Skyboxer]

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Well I still think if they should have more types...
Illegal Man Down Field, Going OOB and being the first to touch ball etc...
If you're going to replicate the sport...replicate the sport..
Just have sliders that work to allow those that don't want penalties to turn them off.

[sgibs7]

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Yes, I feel it is. There are a few Online Franchises that are even starting to institute a "No switch rule" when the ball is in the air because of this BS. It is ridiculously cheap and unfair to the offense. Basically, throwing a pass comes down to who can select their guy and turbo/warp to the ball the quickest while knocking the other guy out of position. EA just needs to fix all of the penalties in their football games in general. Screw all of their "supposed" telemetrics or whatever else they claim to use for tuning this stuff. The bottom line is that EA wants little Timmy to be able to have fun and success while playing defense, and not have to suffer the consequences of calling a Cover 2 Sink against a 4 Verticals play.

Ugh...

i spent the last hour trying to do it every play of a game - and when there is a user receiver involved i havent been able to successfully do it once.

i see it being a big problem is there is no user involvement with the receiver. outside that i dont see it as a issue at all.

i think user catching is a big appeal of the game for me. it makes it fun - doesnt mean im right or that your wrong. yes user catching is effective and yes you clearly get rewarded by user catching.

biggest thing is trying to all mix together and not bash opposing views. prob best way to handle this is to play in a league where you make rules that state you cant click on (like you said). because once you get into the wild guys wil be clicking on and making plays.

user skill is what separates a lot of peoples game.

[sgibs7]

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Just to add to this. Our league played 4 seasons and we had 32 guys. We saw two pi calls during that entire span. Two. Also, the tactic that big is referring to is common. If you use the RB button you can bump receivers at the line. It completely holds them and is blatant illegal contact. Sometimes your receiver won't ever get past 5 yards. Total mess.

i have always been in the camp of "do we REALLY want more PI calls?"

thats just me thought - imagine playing a game where there was like 10 PIs? frustratingggg.

i gotta admit guys i havent seen a problem with this at all all season. I have never had someone beat me to the ball or block me form getting it and thought oh man i lost the game because of this.

at the same time i see what your talking about - i see whats happening and it is 100% something that needs to be fixed.

good user control on both sides of the ball will help remedy some of the issues that are going on

[sgibs7]

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I can agree with this. If EA wants to have the default penalties basically NEVER get called, then fine, but when you crank that slider up, you better darn well start seeing realistic penalties. Also, there need to be sliders included in Online Franchise for the people that want more realistic penalty calls there as well.

that seems fair - kinda like wanting to hold down cover up and never fumble. makes sense.

[Illustrator76]

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i spent the last hour trying to do it every play of a game - and when there is a user receiver involved i havent been able to successfully do it once.

i see it being a big problem is there is no user involvement with the receiver. outside that i dont see it as a issue at all.

i think user catching is a big appeal of the game for me. it makes it fun - doesnt mean im right or that your wrong. yes user catching is effective and yes you clearly get rewarded by user catching.

biggest thing is trying to all mix together and not bash opposing views. prob best way to handle this is to play in a league where you make rules that state you cant click on (like you said). because once you get into the wild guys wil be clicking on and making plays.

user skill is what separates a lot of peoples game.

I disagree with it not being an issue with user WR vs. user CB, simply because the way it is implemented isn't realistic. You shouldn't be able to "turbo" and move your WR or CB wherever you want to and knock the opposing player off his route. Jostling is one thing, but blatant PI is blatant PI. I do agree that it is WORSE when you do not user catch with your WR to combat the user controlling the CB. This comes down to the debate on how Madden should be built. I don't feel that you should get any kind of ratings bonus or boost by user catching. Ratings and only rating should determine this. It almost seems like EA needs to make 2 different settings in Madden that play differently, but I know that is virtually impossible.

[sgibs7]

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I disagree with it not being an issue with user WR vs. user CB, simply because the way it is implemented isn't realistic. You shouldn't be able to "turbo" and move your WR or CB wherever you want to and knock the opposing player off his route. Jostling is one thing, but blatant PI is blatant PI. I do agree that it is WORSE when you do not user catch with your WR to combat the user controlling the CB. This comes down to the debate on how Madden should be built. I don't feel that you should get any kind of ratings bonus or boost by user catching. Ratings and only rating should determine this. It almost seems like EA needs to make 2 different settings in Madden that play differently, but I know that is virtually impossible.

i respect that totally.

just 2 ways of looking at the game. literally my favorite part about the game is clicking on and making user plays. thats what makes it fun for me. i throw the ball up in the air and go up and get it. its still football just my control on the game gives me a better chance at winning the game.

i really dont believe that its a issue though - i just dont see people running my receiver off course to the point i cant make a play on the ball

[roadman]

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i have always been in the camp of "do we REALLY want more PI calls?"

thats just me thought - imagine playing a game where there was like 10 PIs? frustratingggg.

i gotta admit guys i havent seen a problem with this at all all season. I have never had someone beat me to the ball or block me form getting it and thought oh man i lost the game because of this.

at the same time i see what your talking about - i see whats happening and it is 100% something that needs to be fixed.

good user control on both sides of the ball will help remedy some of the issues that are going on

I just want to reiterate that against the CPU, no PI calls is an issue, even with the sliders cranked. The only sliders that work when set over 50 is holding, facemask, clipping and roughing the QB. It's interesting that last year, when EA focused on concussions, it was the first year that roughing the QB worked on anything set over 50.

I'm in the camp, for offline, that a few PI penalties and other penalties are better than no penalties called at all.

I know I'm not alone in that camp. The NCAA Game Changers and CD folks are letting EA know about the lack of penalties, I would hope the same would hold true for the people that are representing us for Madden.

[Big FN Deal]

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i have always been in the camp of "do we REALLY want more PI calls?"

thats just me thought - imagine playing a game where there was like 10 PIs? frustratingggg.

i gotta admit guys i havent seen a problem with this at all all season. I have never had someone beat me to the ball or block me form getting it and thought oh man i lost the game because of this.

at the same time i see what your talking about - i see whats happening and it is 100% something that needs to be fixed.

good user control on both sides of the ball will help remedy some of the issues that are going on

See this goes back to the point I was making about the tourney scene, as I have experienced. While there is no textbook way to play Madden "right", there are many clear guidelines for playing NFL football right and not impeding or attempting to intentionally interfere with a receiver's route is an example.

You seem to be implying that tournament rule enforcement should be reactionary, not preventive, by only prohibiting "tactics" that can be directly contributed to losing. What many others and myself believe is that tournament rules should also be preventive and prohibit "tactics" that are not based on NFL realism taking into consideration the shortcomings/limitations of the Madden program.

People get too caught up in the winning and losing aspect of sports and games, imo when the true goal is overcoming the challenges. The tourney scene seems to value the challenge of beating their opponent but finds every opportunity to circumvent the personal challenge of self discipline and competing within realistic limitations.

Despite its' issues the intent of Madden is to simulate NFL football so whenever someone plays Madden with any intent besides to reasonably simulate NFL football, that's an attempt to exploit the program, using it for something that it was not intended, imo.

[sgibs7]

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I just want to reiterate that against the CPU, no PI calls is an issue, even with the sliders cranked. The only sliders that work when set over 50 is holding, facemask, clipping and roughing the QB. It's interesting that last year, when EA focused on concussions, it was the first year that roughing the QB worked on anything set over 50.

I'm in the camp, for offline, that a few PI penalties and other penalties are better than no penalties called at all.

I know I'm not alone in that camp. The NCAA Game Changers and CD folks are letting EA know about the lack of penalties, I would hope the same would hold true for the people that are representing us for Madden.

absolutely on board with that - i was there for ncaa.

regardless of how i think it plays and how i see it working - i 100% think it needs to be fixed.

i just personally dont see it being a problem. i recognize that it needs to be fixed but overall it never made me think this is a game breaking issue. but it still needs to be fixed