This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

[js3512]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

The good news is that with the Infinity Engine Madden is headed in the right direction and I am excited about next-gen Madden. Watching these videos we all see how great the infinity engine can be.
The bad news is that they didn't add this technology to the most fundamental part of the game, blocking (and running). Which is why some of the same old bugs will remain in this game after many years.

Blockers still can't calculate defenders at approximately a 45 degree angle which is why outside/open field blocking will still remain flawed and this is why defensive-ends still don't get any pressure on the quarterback; because in order for d-ends to be blocked they have to be adjacent to the blockers. So the computer makes up for this by zooming the offensive tackles right in front of the d-ends. Sometimes you can get a 45 degree angle on a offensive tackle and they won't even attempt to touch you. The reason d-tackles get more pressure on the Qb is because they quickly engage with the guards and are able to perform a block shedding animation.
This is also why nano-blitzing is still in the game too!

So hopefully they will add run-time physics to the blocking in Madden 14. But for this Madden expect some great looking tackles, nice throws, and catches, but everything else will remain the same for the most part as far a gameplay goes.
So if you know and accept these terms (lol, not really terms) then you should have a great time playing Madden 13. But if you expect blocking, d-end pressures, open field blocking, and nano-blitzing to be greatly improved then you are in for a disappointment.
I going to rent this game before I buy like I have the past 4 years (in which i didn't end up buying the game) before I decide if I will buy or not. So consider this your warning.

I agree this stuff does need fixed but I love my football and they've made two huge improvements to the game this year so I can live with it for now. Hopefully next year we get the infinity engine applied to blocking, footplanting and ball physics.

[js3512]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

Madden is also limited by the dedicated 256MB RAM on the PS3 (of its 512MB of RAM) which may be used exclusively as video RAM (i.e. textures) and nothing more.

Neither console provides an advantage over the other for a multiplatform game, and platform-exclusive games take advantage of the hardware differently to achieve optimal results. On the whole there is no significant difference between the two consoles from a hardware perspective by which Madden is limited.

Wouldn't it be great if companies like EA had the time and money to put out two seperate versions of the game made specifically for each system and it's capabilities? In a perfect world...

[EAGLESFAN10]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

this is their FIRST year using this engine ..... !

[roadman]

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I went into E3 needing 3 things to be addressed for me to purchase. Blocking, passing and overall atmosphere. They worked on 2 out of 3 but watching the vids only confirmed what I already believed. This team isn't striving for realism anymore than the last.

You did know that blocking wasn't going to be addressed before E3, though, didn't you? They
mentioned this in the first webcast.

[Aftershock9958]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

I went into E3 needing 3 things to be addressed for me to purchase. Blocking, passing and overall atmosphere. They worked on 2 out of 3 but watching the vids only confirmed what I already believed. This team isn't striving for realism anymore than the last.

If they are then blocking, footwork, momentum need to be compeletly reworked for any sense of realism at all. But if they wanted to achieve the sim/arcade hybred style game that was so popular with ps2 madden, I think this team succeeded in that regard.

I guess the new physics engine doesn't have anything to do with realism.

I'm also pretty certain that most yearly sports titles with a physics engine started with the most basic functions first, and then built on top of that.

[EAGLESFAN10]

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Yea im pretty sure they knew just wanted something 2 talk about

[gamerk2]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

Madden is also limited by the dedicated 256MB RAM on the PS3 (of its 512MB of RAM) which may be used exclusively as video RAM (i.e. textures) and nothing more.

True, but its not like you need every single animation that exists in RAM at the same exact time. [And its also worth noting, PS3 games make sometimes excessive use of the fact the PS3 is guranteed to ship with a HDD; an assumption you can NOT make with the 360].

[PVarck31]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

I guess the new physics engine doesn't have anything to do with realism.

I'm also pretty certain that most yearly sports titles with a physics engine started with the most basic functions first, and then built on top of that.

Exactly. They can't fix everything in one cycle. That is not an excuse, its a fact. They have to prioritize. From the sound of things it looks like blocking will be a priority for them next year.

They did a lot this year as far as realism goes. The new passing system alone is a huge boost in realism.

[DickDalewood]

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It's a must-buy for me.

I haven't been this excited for Madden in years, and every video has helped to confirm that. It can't all be done in one year, but they have taken a HUGE step in the right direction this year.

[Jimi XIII]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

It's a must-buy for me, but for the real-time physics, not the run-time physics

Regardless, I haven't been this excited for Madden in years, and every video has helped to confirm that. It can't all be done in one year, but they have taken a HUGE step in the right direction this year.

Well, the guy from EA at E3 specified Infinity as run-time. Likely because it's only active in certain situations and not all the time with every player. But yes, it's a huge step forward for Madden.

[kjcheezhead]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

I guess the new physics engine doesn't have anything to do with realism.

I'm also pretty certain that most yearly sports titles with a physics engine started with the most basic functions first, and then built on top of that.

Physics is nice, but it's not impressing me based on the E3 vids I've seen. You also skipped the second part of my post...

If they are then blocking, footwork, momentum need to be compeletly reworked for any sense of realism at all.

Imo, the new physics means squat if the players don't move realistically to begin with. Like the OP said, until blocking and player movement is addressed I don't think they will achieve realism. I also happen to believe that is not their intention because Madden has had an arcade like feel to the game in these areas for years and I believe it's by design.

And sure it takes time to address everything but at the same time locomtion and blocking have been addressed in 09, 10 and 11. I just don't have the faith that this new team is any different than previous ones like so many other posters do.

[Aftershock9958]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

Physics is nice, but it's not impressing me based on the E3 vids I've seen. You also skipped the second part of my post...

If they are then blocking, footwork, momentum need to be compeletly reworked for any sense of realism at all.

Imo, the new physics means squat if the players don't move realistically to begin with. Like the OP said, until blocking and player movement is addressed I don't think they will achieve realism. I also happen to believe that is not their intention because Madden has had an arcade like feel to the game in these areas for years and I believe it's by design.

And sure it takes time to address everything but at the same time locomtion and blocking have been addressed in 09, 10 and 11. I just don't have the faith that this new team is any different than previous ones like so many other posters do.

I didn't skip that part. I said "I'm also pretty certain that most yearly sports titles with a physics engine started with the most basic functions first, and then built on top of that".

Blocking, momentum, footwork, and even realistic movement are all physics related things. Why would they take their time working on stop-gap improvements when it's more likely that eventually they'll have the Infinity engine working on all of those things?

Part of the reason I have faith in this team is that Cam Weber is responsible for FIFA, which I don't play but I only ever hear good things about. Not only that, but he's a former player and QB coach.

[Big FN Deal]

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It's definitely a must buy for me because I finally seem to have a living Franchise Mode to distract me from all the gameplay issues. With Madden 13 I expect to still be playing it this time next year while looking forward to trying whatever they added to Madden 14. That's more than I can say for M12 because I hardly ever play that anymore since December.

I believe Madden 14 will be the last Madden under the exclusive license and fully expect that game to revolutionize game play and AI.

[KBLover]

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To be fair, blocking is hard to do right, and it is the first year in a new physics engine. The main problem is lack of any significant amount of blocking animations, so once you get outside a linemen, they have no blocking animations. Even a 'push to the outside' animation would be a HUGE help.

Also remember, Madden devs are limited by the ~8.5GB limit on the 360's DVD9 disk. Hence why I'm glad Madden is finally moving to a physics driven system (at least for tackling), as that frees disk space up to address other lacking areas [blocking chief among them].

Another reason why it should be on PC. Kidding! Kidding!

[DickDalewood]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

Well, the guy from EA at E3 specified Infinity as run-time. Likely because it's only active in certain situations and not all the time with every player. But yes, it's a huge step forward for Madden.

Ah, well I appreciate the clarification. Either way though, definitely a must-buy IMO. Game is looking great.