This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

[Hooe]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

I believe Madden 14 will be the last Madden under the exclusive license and fully expect that game to revolutionize game play and AI.

Off-topic, but you are fooling yourself if you think that EA will let the exclusivity license lapse anytime soon.

[Hooe]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

Well, the guy from EA at E3 specified Infinity as run-time. Likely because it's only active in certain situations and not all the time with every player. But yes, it's a huge step forward for Madden.

Ah, well I appreciate the clarification. Either way though, definitely a must-buy IMO. Game is looking great.

A bit more clarification:

I don't understand the difference from a programming perspective; I think people are confused with their words. It's using a real-time physics engine which operates at runtime.

The alternatives to runtime (the program is running, in any context) are compile-time (building the program from the source code) and load-time (having started the program, the program loads itself into memory); neither compile-time physics nor load-time physics make any sense as a concept. The only alternative to real-time physics that I'm aware of is high-precision physics, which (as one might gather from the name) requires much more dedicated processing power.

Madden NFL 13 has a real-time physics engine which operates at runtime.

[ForUntoOblivionSoar∞]

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I don't understand this expectation that Madden be perfectly tantamount to what we see on the field in real life. That is what they should strive for but you take it to another level.

You don't see people complaining that in COD sniper bullet trajectories don't change from long distance in the wind.

I'm not saying don't talk about things you want in the game but don't make it sound like great improvements don't matter.

It's not that, what it is is this:

OP this isn't specifically targeted at you, even though you suffer from Skip Bayless syndrome.

Skip Bayless syndrome- giving someone props for 5 seconds followed by a bashing that renders the initial prop bequeathment useless.

Skip Bayless. Twitter. It's a matter of disagreement about what the priorities should be.

Putting twitter presentation into the game is seen by some as absolutely second to getting the most fundamental aspects of football right: blocking and tackling. The argument is that EA is more interested in "bling" than substance: things that average, casual gamers will be googoo eyed about rather than things hardcore football fans will prioritize.

So when you see threads like this, what you are really seeing is a disagreement between the poster and EA about what priorities for Madden should be the most important.

That said, EA has to try to balance between the two, but the "bling" crowd isn't going to notice too much because their expectations are, well, shallow in comparison, and by nature far easier to satisfy.

[roadman]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

It's not that, what it is is this:



Skip Bayless. Twitter. It's a matter of disagreement about what the priorities should be.

Putting twitter presentation into the game is seen by some as absolutely second to getting the most fundamental aspects of football right: blocking and tackling. The argument is that EA is more interested in "bling" than substance: things that average, casual gamers will be googoo eyed about rather than things hardcore football fans will prioritize.

So when you see threads like this, what you are really seeing is a disagreement between the poster and EA about what priorities for Madden should be the most important.

That said, EA has to try to balance between the two, but the "bling" crowd isn't going to notice too much because their expectations are, well, shallow in comparison, and by nature far easier to satisfy.

So, was it bling back in the PS2 days when franchise mode had Tony Bruno on the radio and newspaper articles. Basically, social media has replaced that and those two features above, people really loved. So, I don't see where Twitter becomes "bling" and Tony Bruno and newspapers were not, those were immersions.

Just saying, different viewpoints.

[KBLover]

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So, was it bling back in the PS2 days when franchise mode had Tony Bruno on the radio and newspaper articles. Basically, social media has replaced that and those two features above, people really loved. So, I don't see where Twitter becomes "bling" and Tony Bruno and newspapers were not, those were immersions.

Just saying, different viewpoints.

To me, the immersion was in the players themselves - hold outs, morale, varied interests, etc. That's likely where I'll get my immersion in M13 as well. Then again, I'm one that make my own backstory.

I would agree that both are basically making backstory, and it's great those are in for those that want it, but I put them in the same category.

If you told me that physics could be in the blocking instead of the social media stuff, I'd want that trade made everytime. Of course, I don't think the backstory elements are why the line blocking is still going to be bleh.

Fixing the line blocking probably would take a whole cycle to get it right and not just physics applied to the same meh mentality and execution the players have currently.

[Aftershock9958]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

Putting twitter presentation into the game is seen by some as absolutely second to getting the most fundamental aspects of football right: blocking and tackling. The argument is that EA is more interested in "bling" than substance: things that average, casual gamers will be googoo eyed about rather than things hardcore football fans will prioritize.

So when you see threads like this, what you are really seeing is a disagreement between the poster and EA about what priorities for Madden should be the most important.

I tend to think that what you are really seeing in threads like this is a lack of understanding about video game programming.

We don't have one giant team working on everything. There is a team for CC. There is a team for the physics. The physics team made a splash this year, and now the tackling should be pretty good. I don't see how a different team who added a Twitter feed to their particular area of the game is an issue, when it clearly didn't stop a different team from bring us physics-based tackles.

[DNMHIII]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

I tend to think that what you are really seeing in threads like this is a lack of understanding about video game programming.

We don't have one giant team working on everything. There is a team for CC. There is a team for the physics. The physics team made a splash this year, and now the tackling should be pretty good. I don't see how a different team who added a Twitter feed to their particular area of the game is an issue, when it clearly didn't stop a different team from bring us physics-based tackles.

Do you actually work on the game? thats a serious question and I'm not gonna jump all over you, I'm just curious because if you do work on the game I'd like to pay closer attention to what you contribute thats all.

[Aftershock9958]

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Do you actually work on the game? thats a serious question and I'm not gonna jump all over you, I'm just curious because if you do work on the game I'd like to pay closer attention to what you contribute thats all.

No, I meant we as a community.

I wish though

[DNMHIII]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

It's not that, what it is is this:

Skip Bayless. Twitter. It's a matter of disagreement about what the priorities should be.

Putting twitter presentation into the game is seen by some as absolutely second to getting the most fundamental aspects of football right: blocking and tackling. The argument is that EA is more interested in "bling" than substance: things that average, casual gamers will be googoo eyed about rather than things hardcore football fans will prioritize.

So when you see threads like this, what you are really seeing is a disagreement between the poster and EA about what priorities for Madden should be the most important.

That said, EA has to try to balance between the two, but the "bling" crowd isn't going to notice too much because their expectations are, well, shallow in comparison, and by nature far easier to satisfy.

Well said........A lot of people including myself place so much emphasis on how the game plays on the field and the standards are extremely high in that area as apposed to areas of the game that I consider to be the fluff. Hopefully someday EA will be able to satisfy both users and distribute a game that doesn't compromise the standards of either gameplay enthusiasts or the people that like to be immersed by the fluff element.

[DNMHIII]

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No, I meant we as a community.

I wish though

Got it......I don't wish I worked on the game, but I sure wish I could be part of the strategic planning meetings and give some input from time to time.

[Big FN Deal]

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Off-topic, but you are fooling yourself if you think that EA will let the exclusivity license lapse anytime soon.

Yeah, so some people keep telling me but some of those same people said the same thing about RTP. Point is anything could happen and I have an entire thread about why I believe this could happen. I see you have been on OS for quite a while so I expect you will still be around come March 2014 when we will likely know for sure.

[blklightning]

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They need to add logic before physics can have any impact at all. I see far too many instances of 2 or 3 lineman just standing there with no one to block. When does that happen in the real NFL? Hail Mary defense maybe.

And if they extend that ridiculous contract, I will be very disappointed. Yeah, the game is looking better. But it would have been like this long ago had they had some competition in the marketplace. I'm thinking maybe the only reason they made so many improvements this year is to bolster their chances of getting the license for another 5 years. Then they could just go back to the status quo of mediocrity and half baked ideas. Would be a shame if that happened.

[Errors Occurred]

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I'm not saying anything about anyone here but man can't we just be happy we got all this new stuff in Madden that looks like it's going to be a very good game? What if they had made Blocking better but didn't do anything else to the game at all would we see (Man they should of added RTP) I know it needs to be fixed and it will be fixed next year I believe in this new team.

As for the Madden license's I don't care one way or the other anymore because the way I see it if another team started making a football game in 2014 it won't be any good till 2016-2017 because it takes time to make a good game ...and I don't know who's out there that's going to go after madden anyways and with 2k having so much trouble I don't think they'd waste there time.

[KBLover]

Re: This game is not a must buy until they add Runtime Physics to blocking.

What if they had made Blocking better but didn't do anything else to the game at all

I'd actually be happy with this too

[ghettogeeksta]

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They were not even sure if they were goin to add RTP in the game this year, so I can see why they only added it to the defensive side of the ball mostly; Because its more impactful on defense with tackling, and they didnt have time. Now lets hope next year they will add it on the offensive side of the ball. Which would be blocking and/or running!
I may buy Madden this year for the first time in four years, because of the new catch animations and most of all RTP. But if they dont add RTP to atleast blocking or running with foot planting (which is the only way for the blocking and running to be fixed in this game, because its only so much you can tweak the current technology they are using, and they have squeezed all of the juice out of that lemon) I will not buy this game until they do, because their is nothing else they can do gameplay wise to make me buy this game.