Madden NFL 13 Demo Available Now, Post Your Impressions Here (360, PS3)

[thbends]

Re: Is madden demo Dark to any of you???

The shadows are very dark in the presnap camera. The defense is just all shadows. It also looks bad when you're about to catch a punt.

Not just that... when I start to read the defense sometimes the ref tricks me in to thinking he is a safety.

[TDKing]

Re: Is madden demo Dark to any of you???

I don't remember not being able to differentiate between the receiver and the defender at any time during a game in prior Madden titles. M13 is super dark, IMO, compared to prior Madden titles, so maybe they went a little overboard with a new lighting mechanic?

The lighting is really starting to bug me. After playing the demo, pop in NCAA... Oh man what a difference. Did the devs play this game or what ? How do they not see this, I don't get it.

[loonsluv]

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[shavane]

for the love of everything holy and sacred the lighting issues, screwy play calling, and some of the other minor issues will be fixed by the time the game releases. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the lighting will be gorgeous. This is only the demo they always tune things like this by the time the game releases. I remember 10 didn't even have commentary in the demo. 11 had a bunch of bugs that were worked out by the time it released. sheez

[steve9347]

Re: Madden NFL 13 Demo Available Now, Post Your Impressions Here (360, PS3)

for the love of everything holy and sacred the lighting issues, screwy play calling, and some of the other minor issues will be fixed by the time the game releases.

There were so many issues that went un-fixed in last year's release that I don't believe this for a second. Do you remember splotchy oil shadows on turf?

full review: http://flapship.com/madden-13-demo-review/

[Tyrant8RDFL]

Re: Madden NFL 13 Demo Available Now, Post Your Impressions Here (360, PS3)

i totally agree with u tyrant.. too much hype, and it def dont live up to it at all..... very sad overall.

Yes right now I do feel sad , but I will allow for the EA Pass version of the game be the one to give me my true and final impression.

I don't know the date of this demo and what build it is off, so I think it is best to see what the EA pass version is like. That one is the final build, and after that it is what it is.

[wheelman990]

Re: Madden NFL 13 Demo Available Now, Post Your Impressions Here (360, PS3)

some people are just being too hard on the game right now. YES it still needs LOTS of work, but its like most of you don't even appreciate the things they've done to better the game. It seems like at this point people won't be happy until the entire game is fixed, but fixing a game like madden is going to take time. Tuning a physics engine is pretty damn hard, the presentation elements they added this year are pretty damn good, the commentary has vastly improved, total control passing is awesome, read and react still needs a little work but i'd say 75-80 percent of the time it works great. honestly the only game breaking thing for me in this game is the foot planting and player movement. I expected there to be bugs with the new engine, but the engine is far from terrible. Oh and another thing, people are complaining about the replays and cut scenes and things like that when its JUST A DEMO. For all we know, the physics engine could be tuned way better, the replays could be fixed, ect. Just continue to be patient. I have no problem with people disliking the game, but don't sit there and tell me that EA didn't make a step in the right direction. This is a FOUNDATION for them, not a Ceiling.

This is their 8th release this generation. Next year may be their last focus title this generation before their focus is on next gen. At best 2 more years. Time has nearly expired on them. 3 year plans have ran their course. No more "next year will be great". It is time NOW for them to deliver.

You can say what you feel, I don't have a problem with that at all. Just want to state some reasons why some aren't so future optimistic. My opinion is they have had the exclusive license. There is no other option. They been giving us poor work for 8 years. I'm not making excuses for them, and I'm not given them passes. If they want to be patted on the back then they got to earn it. This is another year of a unfinished product IMO. The only chance of Madden 13 being a pretty good game is if the demo is a very very old build. Lots of bugs, and unfinished work.

My honest Madden 13 full impression is on page 17.

[Introvese]

Re: Madden NFL 13 Demo Available Now, Post Your Impressions Here (360, PS3)

People who say the IE has no effect is not necessary being honest. I mean it aint the most polish, but days are over no more blindly running up ur own teammate back and nothing happens. Now u may stumble or fall. No more running thru someone already on the ground. Now jumping may actually be needed. But i could see why people complain about tho some ish i saw just had me like wtf

[rufusone]

Re: Madden NFL 13 Demo Available Now, Post Your Impressions Here (360, PS3)

In my opinion, and I consider myself very well groomed in video sports games (been playing almost every single one since the days of 4th & Inches on the Commodore 64 and Intellivision's Football) This game is a MAJOR BUST!.....My prediction is that this game will recieve some of the lowest Madden scores we've seen in quite some time,

And the irony of the whole thing is that the feature many of us begged for the most is what is going to sink this game fast. The Physics Engine is just so unpolished its a distraction when playing the game. I cannot take the game seriously because there simply is no sense of realistic contact between players.

For one, they feel hollow and have no sense of physical bodies colliding.

They momentum is all just completely off at times. Players will be running full speed outside on sweeps and come to a full stop when a defender cuts them off at an agle and then it goes into this mini standstill physics struggle game that just looks completely off.

Players bounce weirdly off each other into different directions at times

I seen a few plays where the RB gets tripped up going over a low tackler but doesnt go down (good ea) but then freezes in that stumble animation and just glides about 3 yards past and over the tackler while in that frozen stumble stance as if he was one of those electric football magnets from back in the day! (bad EA!)

The whole lack of immersion on almost every single contact truley makes this feel like a completely unfinished product that needs several years...YEARS, not weeks of tweaking to address.

There are some tackles that look good but I honestly think the ratio is like 4 bad, weird or just off for every 1 that looks right.

And it doesnt just end there with the contact. RBs juke left and right awkwardly and unrealistically as if they have metal rods underneath them and someone is yanking them left or right during the juke with absolutely no sense of weight shifting or momentum change.

In my opinion, EA really went backwards...REALLY backwards with this years version. It lacks smooth fluid realistic and natural gameplay. I actually forced myself to finish 3 demo games just to convince myself that what I was seeing wasnt a mistake.......I actually rather go back and play Madden 10. Its much more grounded and feels better then this. Actually 09 does!

Its truely disappointing for me because I had such high stock that the new physics engine would shoot some much needed gameplay and dynamics into this game.....It Just doesnt! Its actually a big distraction for me.


I agree with what you said, there tackling is running into each other, fall down, tackled, it looks like pinball IMO, very little physical contact and running backs getting tackled by just a defender putting his arm on the RB and down he goes. I dont see tackling at all, more like the ball carrier hits a wall and falls down with the help of a defender around him. Call me not impressed with RTP at all, it needs to be cleaned up 10 fold. Man I hope the next set of consoles we truly get a great football game and not this same old stuff.

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These comments are spot on in my opinion of whats wrong with this game's engine.

Its like the players arent really tackling each other. Its like 2 hand touch football...they just run to each other, make simple pixel contact and it triggers the infinity engine wonky physics module. There's no true sense of a player really driving into the player and thru the tackle like your taught in football camp. Most tackles look like pinball, bumper cars, rock em sock em robot, Super Fly Jimmy Snooka top of the rope wrestling collisions rather than realistic and immersive wrap up tackling. Bodies are flying everywhere. I thought the Backbreaker engine had a much better feel of transfering weight and a tighter more realistic collision model with mostly natural looking hits that gave a MUCH greater sensation of "HITTING"

What really has me depressed is how much this game feels so linear and repetitive like all the other previous Maddens felt until the moment of contact then you just see some wonky variety in the way a player goes down. You see the same exact angle of pursuits, the same exact limited AI decisions for any given situation....There is nothing more organic and dynamic to the gameplay other than the variety of ways a player interacts with a defender which for the most part look completely unrealistic and unpolished 7 out of every 10 times.

I expected more of an organic and dynamic all around AI and gameplay experience which I am really not seeing here. It still suffers from alot of those scripted predetermined Maddenisms that we have gotten used to over the years. For example how the screen freezes, starts to rotate and SAYS INTERCEPTION while both players are still leaping in the air right before the ball even has a chance to utilize the true locational physics of the player's hands! What is that??

It happens alot too on tackles where players start to go into their fall down animation at the split second a tackler starts to engage. Thats to not true physics determining the outcome!.....That to me is predetermined results that trigger a tackle animation that may utilize a ragdoll effect

I dunno....I think we are all being duped here. This physics engine is almost like a plug in module that has been added on to an age old and simplistic madden engine that is beyond it's years

All Pro Football 2K8 with the updated NFL rosters has been more enjoyable...AND realistic than this. AND they never ONCE touted a Physics Engine but yet I find more variety and dynamic AI in THAT game thats over 5 years older!...Why? Didnt EA scoop up many of the 2K Football team a few years ago to assist with Madden? This game simply doesnt cut it for me based on what I have seen in the demo...sorry to be so critical but I'm a bit dissapointed.

This is exactly how I feel, I think RTP is epic fail, I see no tackling, just predetermend pinball contact, watch the replays close and dont skip them, it looks terrible. I'm really disappointed, I was ready to be WOWed with the RTP engine, but I dont know what to say. I just hope the next set of new consoles we finally get a football game that is playable and not this.

[Feldman011teen]

I'm sorry but if anyone has said this is the same game as last year, I don't know what you've been playing. This is what next gen football should have been all along. I get the same feeling playing this as I did Madden 3DO. It's an immersive experience that represents well on the field.

[fatleg3]

Re: Madden NFL 13 Demo Available Now, Post Your Impressions Here (360, PS3)

Took a couple people's advice and changed to game speed to slow. Im now seeing fewer and fewer crazy tackle animations. I think im going to make a video showing off all the nice tackles. I HIGHLY suggest those that cant stand the tackling switch to slow or very slow.

[Dirk504]

I played the demo last night and overall I will just say that it's okay. I like the new passing system and the hits feel different. Also, I seem to have more time to pass now. The crowd noise is also really good. I do have some concerns though. The cpu was way too easy to beat. I played on All Pro with the 49ers and beat NYG 27-0. Eli Manning had 0... that's right 0 yards passing until the 4th quarter and I was able to sack him at will. I didn't touch the sliders or anything. I know some of you will say that I should be playing on All Madden, but I haven't played a Madden game since Madden 10, so it's been a few years since I even touched Madden and I havent played NCAA since NCAA 11. Also, the physics does some crazy stuff during tackles and especially after a play. I had a Ray McDonald pull a full fledged Exorcist head turn while making a tackle. And after the play it just looks like a train wreck. Also, the lighting is horrible in the Redskins - Seahawks game. The teams look waaaay too dark in the bright sun. With all of that said, I can live with those issues. The main issue for me that has me rethinking buying this game is that I was just plain BORED with it after a few games. Nothing about it made me want to be like, "I've got to have this game". The presentation is okay, but I found myself skipping over most of it and I'm a huge presentation guy. In other games I sit through all of the presentation elements before I play a game, but I just kept trying to skip through Maddens. The only way I'll buy Madden is if I really want to play with the 49ers. Other than that, I may skip this year like I did the last few. I'm not saying the game is terrible, but I just don't think it's worth my $59.99.

[Major9]

Re: Madden NFL 13 Demo Available Now, Post Your Impressions Here (360, PS3)

Normal game speed is way to fast, I went to very slow and felt the game played just right. At this speed i really enjoyed a lot of factors of the IE engine. yes i have saw a few whacky animations play out, but I am seeing some more nice ones. I love seeing my RB taking down at the knees knowing there is no way I can make it out of this play. At very slow there is minimal ice skating feel and the transitions between animations is much better. If you haven't played on very slow try it and see if it makes a difference for you.

I agree, I didn't even like the game until I switched to very slow. Now i'm thinking this may be the best football game I've ever played and I been playing every year since Joe Montana football.

[Feldman011teen]

@steve9347

That wasn't a great write up at all. He scored a TD because of Big Head Mode. Slow the game down to game speed slow and threshhold 35. I've done this with all ea football.

[thbends]

Re: Madden NFL 13 Demo Available Now, Post Your Impressions Here (360, PS3)

Flapship has posted their full Madden 13 Demo Review with comparisons to last year's game...

http://flapship.com/madden-13-demo-review/

Pretty spot-on review.

That review was a little too negative. I do agree about the announcers talking about your defensive adjustments being something I do not like. I don't need the announcers telling the guy I'm playing the adjustments I am making to shut him down. The only time this would help me is when I show blitz when I'm not really blitzing.