Interesting, somewhat upsetting quote by Peter Moore if you're an offline player

[thundergatti]

Re: Interesting, somewhat upsetting quote by Peter Moore if you're an offline player

Another reason they want everyone playing (or at least being connected) online is so they can force us into upgrading each year. If you need their servers in order to play even a solo franchise, you're now at their mercy. 365 days from now they can shut the '13 servers down and say "if you want to play CCM mode properly, you need to buy '14".

I think a part of the push to get everyone connected is to eliminate the older used games market.

This is a good insight, and extremely plausible.

[bucky60]

Re: Interesting, somewhat upsetting quote by Peter Moore if you're an offline player

thats because they are able to patch issues faster for online, since they use their own servers and offline patches have to go through sony/microsoft for approval.

Where did you hear this. I heard that tuning doesn't have to go through sony/microsoft. I thought a PATCH still had to go through Sony/Microsoft for either online or offline CCM. The code base is the same for both online and offline.

If EA didn't have to go through Sony/Microsoft to install things, like patches, by using their own servers, then why would they not give user accounts to all EA customers and completely bypass Sony/Microsoft for everything?

[roadman]

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Where did you hear this. I heard that tuning doesn't have to go through sony/microsoft. I thought a PATCH still had to go through Sony/Microsoft for either online or offline CCM. The code base is the same for both online and offline.

If EA didn't have to go through Sony/Microsoft to install things, like patches, by using their own servers, then why would they not give user accounts to all EA customers and completely bypass Sony/Microsoft for everything?

Josh Looman mentioned yesterday and there is a link in here somewhere from a Madden developer they are able to get quick fixes on the EA servers and those quick fixes will be in a form of a patch for offline users.

[NFCastle]

Re: Interesting, somewhat upsetting quote by Peter Moore if you're an offline player

Exactly why I won't be getting madden for the first time in 7 years

I dnt give a ray's a$$ about online. I play strictly for offline franchise. Not only did they remove it but they replaced it wit another buggy mode that they dot care to make sure is playable

[slick589]

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Josh Looman mentioned yesterday and there is a link in here somewhere from a Madden developer they are able to get quick fixes on the EA servers and those quick fixes will be in a form of a patch for offline users.

Other EA titles of server side fixes in tuners...you dont have to play online to get them.

[roadman]

Re: Interesting, somewhat upsetting quote by Peter Moore if you're an offline player

Other EA titles of server side fixes in tuners...you dont have to play online to get them.

Understood, I'm just relaying what I hear.

I've linked this Q & A once in this thread. Some straight answers from an EA developer regarding CCM.

I'm an offline gamer myself.

Look for the name Dan Bekins on the left and just scroll to his answers.

Pg 4 and 5 discusses server fixes.

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/8925121.page

[SGMRock]

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Where did you hear this. I heard that tuning doesn't have to go through sony/microsoft. I thought a PATCH still had to go through Sony/Microsoft for either online or offline CCM. The code base is the same for both online and offline.

If EA didn't have to go through Sony/Microsoft to install things, like patches, by using their own servers, then why would they not give user accounts to all EA customers and completely bypass Sony/Microsoft for everything?

I started an offline coach first and then i found out they adjusted the amount of Scouting Points SP you get per week and also they upped the amount of XP you get for doing practice and for what players get in game. So ya basically those changes were instant for online and offline still had the numbers set to the lower amounts probably until the next title update.

[Shizz420]

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I just dont understand why they don't have a single season option in the game for offline players. It's the simplest thing to do and have in the game.

Not everyone wants to play full GM (obv FA/trades are OK). Some ppl just wanna pick up a team, fire up a season, and play.

[schnaidt1]

Re: Interesting, somewhat upsetting quote by Peter Moore if you're an offline player

"Moore wants people to be connected to gaming 24 hours a day, whether its through their console, PC, tablet, or smartphone."



- Peter Moore, EA

http://www.geimin.co.uk/ea-coo-trying-to-figure-out-the-digital-transformation/

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Fair enough, Mr. Moore. As a business owner I can respect your reasoning. However, as a consumer, I can't help but wonder if the online push your company is making is somewhat "punishing" those of us who choose to play your game offline.

I am not thrilled to lose Franchise mode, but I don't want to make this thread about that. I appreciate the initiative EA took with this years game, but I feel very shackled when I venture into the connected careers coach mode. Right off the bat the inability to load your sliders in is a let down, but other features that were in past games are now gone in favor of the online related bias C.C. presents.

I understand that while connected to the servers your company can offer some dynamic upgrades and that is something as an offline gamer I can live without, but after reading your quote I truly feel I and others like me are getting the short end of the stick with the new franchise-like mode.

I paid the same $60 for my game as everyone else, and even did something I never thought I would do - Purchased the season ticket.

I did this not because some marketing gimmick suckered me in or because the benefits were that great, but rather because I experienced the demo and was impressed enough with the gameplay improvements that I truly wanted Madden early. I had no problem paying my money for something that I felt had earned it.

See, that is how you "Make a buck." When the product quality is making nice strides and consumers see time and effort are put forth, people will pay for the extras because they want to. With your company heavily pushing the online modes onto those of us who can't or don't want to play online you are only upsetting people, and not creating opportunity for more money.

I am not bitter nor sitting here with my head in the sand. Online gaming is more than likely going to continue to grow bigger and bigger and that's awesome. But I feel like C.C.'s was aimed heavily at the online crowd and by removing franchise really put us offline players in a bad spot.

Otherwise Madden 13 is a big step in the right direction and something I don't regret purchasing. I can only hope this post (and others) will reach the right people and reassure us offline players that we will not be forgotten about.

i am responding for 2 reasons...1 cuz this makes me mad....and kinda just confirms what everyone has disliked about ea in the past.


and also cuz ur from north dakota! gotta give a shout out! not many ppl on os who are from up here!

[KingV2k3]

Re: Interesting, somewhat upsetting quote by Peter Moore if you're an offline player

Oh, it gets better: You see, we as gamers are afraid of change and the only reason people criticize EA or him for that matter is because it's "cool".

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...nt-Like-Change

Yeah Ms. Petey, that's right. That must be it. You have it all figured out.

I mentioned my concern over EA's "mission" to make us play online in the "Does the Closed Nature of Connected Careers Turn You Off" thread...

If we're forced to play online (because sliders don't stick offline, etc.) then EA can boast bigger numbers of players on their servers for longer periods of time, which is a boon to their in game ad revenue...

Additionally, they can monitor stats of our individual and collective online habits to potentially profit from by parceling the info off to the highest bidder(s)...

I have a feeling that this is the beginning of a move to the eventual elimination of physical product. If they eliminate the cost of manufacture, shipping to distributors / stores / etc. while continuing to charge a similar price, the bottom line goes WAAAAY up...

It's like when the music business phased out the CD for online MP3 distribution...

Interestingly, in that case, the move was an unmitigated disaster that has led to rampant file sharing that has devastated that industry...

I guess, since you have to play these games on their servers, the piracy issue isn't going to factor in?

Good luck with that!

As far as "change" goes, once again I liken it to the evolution / de-evolution of the method of distribution of music...

People hated to see vinyl go, until they decided having 70 minutes of music on a smaller more durable, portable CD was "better"...then they decided that having thousands of MP3's on a device the size of a lipstick tube was even better still...

The method of delivery became more convenient and profitable while the quality of the actual sound took a huge step back every step of the way...

In this analogy, I think we may be at the end of the "CD" era and are locked into a future based on the gaming equivalent of MP3's...

As far as the reason it's "cool" to bash EA?

Well, because it's easy and deserved...

I don't recall seeing anything like that being directed at the companies that develop MLB The Show or the NBA2k series...

Why?

Because they consistently deliver a much more complete product WITHOUT the attitude...

For the record, I too have ZERO interest in playing my single player "franchise" on their dodgy servers...for both practical and ethical reasons...

Your move, EA...

[8]

Re: Interesting, somewhat upsetting quote by Peter Moore if you're an offline player

Isn't CCM while being a coach exactly like franchise. You play the games, scout, draft, sign FA's etc.

The day video games become "online only" is the day I stop playing video games or at least just play old games. There are lots of gamers that live in areas where high speed internet capable of handling games isn't available, and satelite providers aren't even an option at this point. Those things go out when a bird passes it and farts.

[Segagendude]

Re: Interesting, somewhat upsetting quote by Peter Moore if you're an offline player

The last couple Madden's, the offline franchise modes were lacking. Most of their attention was focused on HUT and online stuff.

At least now they finally admit it. As an offline-only gamer, yeah, I'm pretty upset. There's been times where my internet just goes out for whatever reason during games;I'd rather just get a message "An error has occurred.You have been disconnected from the nework" and keep playing then have to start over.(or not be able to play at all).

[footballfan21]

Re: Interesting, somewhat upsetting quote by Peter Moore if you're an offline player

"Moore wants people to be connected to gaming 24 hours a day, whether its through their console, PC, tablet, or smartphone."



- Peter Moore, EA

http://www.geimin.co.uk/ea-coo-trying-to-figure-out-the-digital-transformation/

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Fair enough, Mr. Moore. As a business owner I can respect your reasoning. However, as a consumer, I can't help but wonder if the online push your company is making is somewhat "punishing" those of us who choose to play your game offline.

I am not thrilled to lose Franchise mode, but I don't want to make this thread about that. I appreciate the initiative EA took with this years game, but I feel very shackled when I venture into the connected careers coach mode. Right off the bat the inability to load your sliders in is a let down, but other features that were in past games are now gone in favor of the online related bias C.C. presents.

I understand that while connected to the servers your company can offer some dynamic upgrades and that is something as an offline gamer I can live without, but after reading your quote I truly feel I and others like me are getting the short end of the stick with the new franchise-like mode.

I paid the same $60 for my game as everyone else, and even did something I never thought I would do - Purchased the season ticket.

I did this not because some marketing gimmick suckered me in or because the benefits were that great, but rather because I experienced the demo and was impressed enough with the gameplay improvements that I truly wanted Madden early. I had no problem paying my money for something that I felt had earned it.

See, that is how you "Make a buck." When the product quality is making nice strides and consumers see time and effort are put forth, people will pay for the extras because they want to. With your company heavily pushing the online modes onto those of us who can't or don't want to play online you are only upsetting people, and not creating opportunity for more money.

I am not bitter nor sitting here with my head in the sand. Online gaming is more than likely going to continue to grow bigger and bigger and that's awesome. But I feel like C.C.'s was aimed heavily at the online crowd and by removing franchise really put us offline players in a bad spot.

Otherwise Madden 13 is a big step in the right direction and something I don't regret purchasing. I can only hope this post (and others) will reach the right people and reassure us offline players that we will not be forgotten about.

Don't forget about the extra $25 for Xbox Live Gold membership requirements for roster/patch updates also. I don't play online either. Nothing against it. Roster and patch updates should be free regardless. Extra charges for other content, while I don't agree, is okay with me. But those are basic things that should be given.


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[agreene7]

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I don't feel that offline players are gettin the shaft because the things missing from online careers are the same things missing offline. They reason they are missin is because they couldn't add them properly. They will be back next year lol everybody should calm down

[rooney8]

Re: Interesting, somewhat upsetting quote by Peter Moore if you're an offline player

Isn't CCM while being a coach exactly like franchise. You play the games, scout, draft, sign FA's etc.

The day video games become "online only" is the day I stop playing video games or at least just play old games. There are lots of gamers that live in areas where high speed internet capable of handling games isn't available, and satelite providers aren't even an option at this point. Those things go out when a bird passes it and farts.

Yeah it's still a franchise/dynasty/association/season/career mode just with a new name picked by the marketing team.