They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

[Mr_truthman.com]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

Ya'll gotta remember that online play now matches have no sliders to adjust. The defense is broken. It always has been. Madden caters to the casual gamer. The casual gamers, likes to score points. The average scores for NFL games last year was 42.065. Most online games will have that total by halftime. I will post some vids showing how defenders PURPOSELY get themselves out of position so recievers can make plays. Long story short, this games needs major improvements on the defensive side.

[raiders81tim]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

All you I shut down people online prove it. Whats your PSN?

I've played plenty of really good players. I'm quite good myself, already rank 10 and 20-6 online. This isn't a I suck so I'm complaining post. This is a the game is broken can it be fixed post.

Defense this year is flat out broken, online at least. No way I should be able to have 120 QBRs and 300+ passing yards with Pryor against elite defenses. But I do it all the time.

[Knickerbocker]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

Online CCM has sliders but you cant fix zone issue u can only up man coverage. Which leads to everyone playing man since zoning when u can tear it appart every play is just stupid.

[falconfansince81]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

Ball Hawk was in Madden 12. Or as you might know it, strafe pick. (L Trigger +Y)

surprise!

yeah but you didn't have to hold triangle and run around waiting for the animation to engage. it makes playing mlb pointless, since you cannot tap triangle when in position to make a play...he will just stand there, motionless. guess i'd like to know why that happens?

as for defense, the reaction time by the cpu controlled defenders in zone seems non-existent (we play on all pro). if you don't switch and ballhawk you are going to have a bad time. man seems to be a roll of the dice rather than rating related, and most dependent on the offense dropping the ball.

personally, i am not having defensive problems online...then again my teams are the bengals and skins with one being the fantasy drafted packers. with the skins i've allowed 10, 9, 10, 3, 7, 0 - with the bengals (see video below) 14, 7, 28 (4 streaks), 0.

maybe this will give people some ideas on D, whatever i am doing seems to be working...but really it is all about mixing it up and not sitting in 2 man under or cover 3 all game.

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[kealon_2400]

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I hate how in sub package u choose 2 man under and the corners are in press position and on ps3 the rcb rarely press his man its to easy to get beat on crossing routes also the pass rush suck folks can drop 20 yds back and still have pin point accuracy. Zone is trash the hooks don't react and the safeties play half *** also purples zones don't play like they should.

[raiders81tim]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

I hate how in sub package u choose 2 man under and the corners are in press position and on ps3 the rcb rarely press his man its to easy to get beat on crossing routes also the pass rush suck folks can drop 20 yds back and still have pin point accuracy. Zone is trash the hooks don't react and the safeties play half *** also purples zones don't play like they should.

Seriously I put CBs into purple zones and still get people by flag routes to teh TE. The zone in this game is that same as last year, but the addition on max passing makes it complete trash. Either fix the zones or tone down the max passing. I should be able to change a go route into a post pattern simply using the left stick.

[EarvGotti]

I still don't see why guys are saying ball hawk is too easy. In previous maddens all you had to do was tap Y and you get the pick. This year you have to hold it which requires greater timing and anticipation.

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[Smoke6]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

I still don't see why guys are saying ball hawk is too easy. In previous maddens all you had to do was tap Y and you get the pick. This year you have to hold it which requires greater timing and anticipation.

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It was more skill based than it is now, its almost like Aim Assist in COD games or whatnot, there is no aim assist in real life and ballhawk is something that people have a trait for, not something EVERYONE can do. With this, everyone is Ed Reed or Troy P!

You sound like a cheeser and also that of a former poster here, dont brag too long, someone with a 360 might take u upon a bet and video tape it and make you look like a fool and a liar. So please stop while you can.

[LBzrule]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

Which means defense is impossible to play this year. Really why would you buff the passing game, but leave defense the exact same? Man gets beat by comebacks and deep outs 99% of the time and zone gets beat by every damn thing. Seriously why even play this game online when I know the winner is just going to be that last person with the ball.

Just played a game online vs the ravens no less and had 467 yards passing with freaking Terrelle Pryor.

Zone coverage flat out sucks in this game, and man is easily exploited.

Is better AI logic on defense patchable?

I agree but don't agree. Defense is based on who you play and what they are doing. Right now I have a so so record at 18-8. Two of those losses were the result of disconnects. The other six losses, in four of them the games were close. The other two I got demolished by Texans no huddle and Jets intercept machine. Otherwise the games have been pretty close and I have done a decent job in terms of yards surrendered. Other times I give up more than I want due to player movement, pursuit, or the swing guard/tackle sprinting to the opposite side to pick up blitzes.

I think some stuff should be patched but I don't want them patching zone defense. Just patch player response when I hit and hold the Y button. Zone is predicated upon pass rush. No zone is going to hold up nor should it hold up without that. I admonish everyone to not use the language zone is broken. Developers see that and will tune it the complete opposite to where you can no longer pass on zone. We don't need that again.

I think one thing they need to do ratings wise is increase most DE's and OLB's accel and agility. Here is why. The speed ratings are predicated on 40 times. Rushing the passer is not and never will be about the 40. It's about short area explosion and quickness. QBs should not be back pedaling faster than a free rusher. They can in this game because ther is only emphasis on the forty and not short area explosion and quickness. When a lineman can sprint over from the right and easily pick up a free rusher from the right, that's a problem in short area quickness on defense. Imagine if the free rusher had the response and short area quickness the the swing lineman does. QB probably would not have a chance.


You say you had over 400 yards on Baltimore. What was the other guy doing? Was he playing "field defense" or just running cover 0 every down? Was he sitting in the same zone on every play? What was he doing that contributed to that 400 + yards?

[EarvGotti]

It was more skill based than it is now, its almost like Aim Assist in COD games or whatnot, there is no aim assist in real life and ballhawk is something that people have a trait for, not something EVERYONE can do. With this, everyone is Ed Reed or Troy P!

You sound like a cheeser and also that of a former poster here, dont brag too long, someone with a 360 might take u upon a bet and video tape it and make you look like a fool and a liar. So please stop while you can.

How do I sound like a cheeser? I just rather have more defense In the game. I never claimed to be great in Madden, I take a lot of L's too. But I'm having fun because the defense is on point and it forces me to make better reads.

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[raiders81tim]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

I agree but don't agree. Defense is based on who you play and what they are doing. Right now I have a so so record at 18-8. Two of those losses were the result of disconnects. The other six losses, in four of them the games were close. The other two I got demolished by Texans no huddle and Jets intercept machine. Otherwise the games have been pretty close and I have done a decent job in terms of yards surrendered. Other times I give up more than I want due to player movement, pursuit, or the swing guard/tackle sprinting to the opposite side to pick up blitzes.

I think some stuff should be patched but I don't want them patching zone defense. Just patch player response when I hit and hold the Y button. Zone is predicated upon pass rush. No zone is going to hold up nor should it hold up without that. I admonish everyone to not use the language zone is broken. Developers see that and will tune it the complete opposite to where you can no longer pass on zone. We don't need that again.

I think one thing they need to do ratings wise is increase most DE's and OLB's accel and agility. Here is why. The speed ratings are predicated on 40 times. Rushing the passer is not and never will be about the 40. It's about short area explosion and quickness. QBs should not be back pedaling faster than a free rusher. They can in this game because ther is only emphasis on the forty and not short area explosion and quickness. When a lineman can sprint over from the right and easily pick up a free rusher from the right, that's a problem in short area quickness on defense. Imagine if the free rusher had the response and short area quickness the the swing lineman does. QB probably would not have a chance.


You say you had over 400 yards on Baltimore. What was the other guy doing? Was he playing "field defense" or just running cover 0 every down? Was he sitting in the same zone on every play? What was he doing that contributed to that 400 + yards?

He ran alot of different zone blitzes, alot of cover 3 rarely ran any man. I was able to just throw seam routes the entire game. Zone blitzes just aren't very effective this year. Why I don't know.

After my first few games, it was nothing but 2 man under for me, I mix in cover 2 sink every once in awhile, but anything else gets destroyed online.

[bukktown]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

BS bro, real talk here!

All it is is you guys are playing to the exploits of the game because the defense IS broken.

I bet you always show blitz

Play with the free safety from the weak side so you can either stop the run or stop on a dime after the WR darted past you and still be able to recover and make a play

Play with a team of pure speed and cheese all game long running the same plays and routes over and over again.

I have played quite a few games man and I can tell you first hand that seem routes and this lead passing mess is getting out of hand as people are doing this all day long and the run game is basically and "outside" run game, so you are already geared toward that as the inside game is barely even there.

Im pretty sure you do not mix your defenses up, you run the exact samething 99% of the time like most people as your opponents are running the samething aswell. So why even change what you're doing when its working against the cheese your opponent is throwing at you? Only to have him no huddle you to death since you decided to come out in something that helps him out and exploit your defense now!

I played a guy who won the game by making my defenders in cover 4 run in the opposite direction when he passed the ball. My DB that was guarding him in down the sidelines ran out of bounds and my safety drifted off and he was wide open. he did this twice and once was against man under 2. He swears all he did was lead pass top the inside. Im no dummy man, but most people would shrug that off as "skill" and thats not what you have when you do the above.

You're just doing what it takes to get by in the games current state, sometimes my defenders dont even show any type of reaction to my button presses as if its who presses the buttons first is who wins that battle!

What is insane is the receiver "transports", with his back to the QB, to where the pass is lead to. The receiver moves at twice the speed of the defender the instant a hard left/right lead pass is thrown.

The only way I can defend the pass is by dropping lineman. I'm sure there are nanos that help but I'm not hardcore like that. I just want to play a few games a week online because the AI is so weak offline.

The passing would be fine if the receiver didn't react so ridiculously to it.

[raiders81tim]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

How do I sound like a cheeser? I just rather have more defense In the game. I never claimed to be great in Madden, I take a lot of L's too. But I'm having fun because the defense is on point and it forces me to make better reads.

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In all honestly you need to make one read. Is it man or is it zone. Man throw a comeback, zone throw pretty much anything just use max passing. I haven't been held to under 400 yards offense in maybe the last 16 online games.

[spyoutofthecold]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

I play bend but don't break defense and wait for the other person to make a mistake, when playing online they always will. Its rare when you get patient players who will run and take midrange passes to drive the field.

Eventually they will heave a pass into double coverage and you get a pick or the keep going for it on 4th down and you keep getting the ball on a shortfield. It really is glorious to beat a cheeser by playing conservative old school football.

The flip side is to do the same thign on offense. Even if they money play you and score a TD once you get the ball you drive it on them. Eat up entire quarters on 4 yard runs and 8 yard slants. Just keep marching. The will get frustrated and blitz you and you just call the hot route and keep rolling.

Yards don't matter, points do, once they get in the redzone they can't take the top off your defense and you hold them to field goals.

[Smoke6]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

Lol, a lot of your post was correct. I consider ball hawk harder than last year though. At least with ball hawk, defenders dont warp interceptions like last year when every would just press Switch user at the last section and then catch real quick trying to get a lucky warp interception.

I never knew of that in past maddens man, but you can tell when it happens as it will say "user Pick" when its user doing it on his own, or when its "ballhawk" it wont say anything but just be an INT but you know the opponent was usering that player at that time.

But thats all it is now is what I described in an earlier post, no way should a dime or a 46 defense spread out like that stop power run offenses and should be very weak against the PA or short passes. I just hate that one formation plays are still dominating this game when you are playing against someone who throws the whole playbook at you to keep you guessing!