They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

[Big FN Deal]

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..I know what I am about to say will rub some people the wrong way. I just cannot agree that people should be allowed to play the game the want to. I think that statement needs to be nuanced. You can play the way you want within a particular framework, meaning you cannot do certain things and if you don't like it tough. People should not be allowed to put their fast WR's at the TE position and then have the personnel package read 3 TE's. That's just giving people a license to exploit the product...

There it is right there, Madden can not replicate, simulate or whatever football without the applicable parameters to enforce it. People love to tout how Madden is a video game as an excuse for why it is what it is but that is actually all the more reason it should have programmed football limitations.

In the real NFL, Bo Jackson was able to keeping running off the field all the way into tunnel but it makes sense that the parameters within this video game don't allow that. Likewise, it makes perfect sense that there should be limitations within this video game to not allow User nonsense that the program can not replicate real world parameters to regulate.

If a F-15 simulation video game can't account for what happens if the pilot tried to take the jet into outer space then the program limits how high of an altitude the gamers can go. In the NFL a quarterback can turn around and throw the ball directly backwards or throw the ball straight up in the air but that's of course not allowed in Madden because it's complete nonsense to include that ability in a football video game. Simple enough concept that they choose to use in Madden for what they want to, just not other things

[alabamarob]

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We all know that the locomotion and OL/DL play are horrible in Madden. But, I think the main problem with Madden for as long as I can remember has been the QB accuracy. All of the QB's in Madden games are too accurate. The accuracy of the QB's is the reason why the zones don't work realistically. The accuracy of the QB's is the reason why the cornerbacks don't cover realistically. It negatively affects the entire balance of the game. Even old games like Tecmo Bowl made each QB different, and if you lost your star QB your entire gameplan would change. Not in Madden football.

I would even offer that the maximum passing should be reserved for the elite passers in the game, and that only QB's with a high accuracy rating should be able to use it. It is not realistic for players with low accuracy to be able to place balls with Maximum Passing. Even with the qb accuracy sliders turned down to 10 it is still easy to complete 60 percent of your passes and go for 300 yards on any level with any QB. Fix the QB's and Madden will be on its way to being a sim game.

[Smoke6]

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One of the guys I played that did the same 2 plays all game long would have quit. He str8 up posted that he uses Qrtr D to stop everything thrown at him and its hilarious he prides himself on it. The day madden actually becomes a skilled game (getting close) thats the moment im dying and waiting for.

Soo tired of the same scheme game after game, but when I win, it had nothing to do with my skill, it was the AI helping me or I got lucky. But its skill to run drags and curls all game or throw 4 streaks out of the 250 plays you have at your disposal in the game lol.

EA should consult most of us in here and im sure madden will be where it should be. Never in my life i would o thought that the only true product in town would fully represent a small crowd of people over the majority who truly play the game for what it is.

I call this "backwards Hustling" you're losing money when you have the goods to make it but yet you keep breaking even or falling short and you know why, but you dont understand. Make football FOOTBALL, if its not fun to the masses then they were never fans to begin with and they can go find something else to go and play and stop fronting!

[Rufio2031]

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I think the problem is that those who post and view these forums are the minority of the Madden community. It makes more sense for the company to fulfill the needs of the casual gamer because there is simply more of them. Another reason to have two companies competing for customers. One can do arcade, one can do simulation. IE. MLB 2k vs. The Show

They ONLY addition that I found useful in this years addition was the Infinity Engine (It definitely needs work). There's nothing wrong with CC, but why add it? We already had most of what it offers (Be A Pro, Franchise, etc). Why did they waste time with crap like that when they could be polishing the gameplay to make the game actually worth playing. The poor project management continues to bother me the most. There's plenty of skill in the EA system. Its just not being used effectively.

[falconfansince81]

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But to the person who said use cover three, you need to go sit down. Cover 3,2,4 will get you toasted this yr.

no, that will get YOU toasted this year...not everyone is bad at mixing in zone and adjusting it. also takes a little stick to switch and make a play since zoned defensive player rarely react, but it can still be very effective.

[Smoke6]

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Based upon the last few pages, here is my question to the contributors to this thread. At what point do you simply stop buying the game? How long have we been on OS complaining and making thread after thread with video after video trying to get these issues fixed? Has EA listened? For the most part, NO, so why keep supporting them anymore? As I said in a different thread, if it wasn't for two extremely generous individuals, I would NOT own Madden 13, and frankly I am upset that I even booted the game up. The demo was a hot mess and I knew the retail was going to be no better, so I refused to buy it. Complaining on the boards ain't gonna do a lick of good if those same people turn around and buy the game anyway. Where is the incentive for EA to make a change? I love football just as much as the next guy, but at some point YOU have to make a change in order to (hopefully) force EA to do the same and get the results you are looking for. You may not feel like your "little" $60.00 will make much of a difference, and that may very well be the case, but just on general principal, why continue to buy a half-made product every year and then get upset when it's only half working?

Just my 1 cent on the whole matter.

Well, I applaud them on the effort set forth in this game pre patch, I loved the IE engine and the gameplay was smooth and refreshing like we see on sunday, but as always, the "I cant play football but arcade style guys" ruin the fun for online guys like me.

I need my football fix and this year looked very promising after that demo.

[jmood88]

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Preach! This right here will go overlooked and unmentioned by devs but we will constantly be fed "the NFL is now a passing league". Many people have been saying for years how Tiburon is so focused on just replicating the results of the NFL in Madden, instead of the process, which lead to those results. It's incredibly short sighted to look at the passing stats or stats period imo and the big plays, then decide to create the game to replicate that. This is why Madden continues to be rife what we "see on Sundays", while completely lacking on the process that produced it.

The way they seem to choose to make Madden is so unnecessary, imo. If the game was built to fundamentally replicate applicable football aspects as best it could, that would make the game more inclusive for everybody. NO CASUAL is going to be alienated by a more realistic Madden because on lower difficulty levels or some default factory setting, the realistic process for achieving repeated success, could be programmed to play out more regardless of ratings but play out according to ratings on the more "hardcore" settings. However, completely leaving those processes out of Madden and opting to only include win/loss results, makes it easier for casuals, frustrating for the hardcore and NOT football for anybody.

For example, why on Redskins do I see Moss, Garcon, Morgan, Davis and Paul, ALL making the exact same catches? Where is the variety in catch technique? They added 430+ new catch animations, which is good but I asked back along time ago, what does that mean and how does that work? Can everyone access the same catch animations, even defenders, if so, why?

I will stop because I have pretty much forgot what my point was when I started this post. I am just tired of seeing football "funned up" like an arcade game while being told the long term goal is optimal realism. I wonder is it against the TOS to call people liars, I am going to look that up.

That is the most frustrating thing to me. It doesn't matter who the players are, they all play exactly the same. Just like it has for every Madden I can remember, the major factor in differentiating players just comes down to speed. Who the receivers/corners/linebackers/running backs are makes no difference, if they are fast, then they can do pretty much whatever a player rated better than them can do.

[LBzrule]

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One terrible edition to the game is the commentators actually telling you that it's a blitz. This is the worse in my opinion especially in online match ups.

[steamboat]

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I literally laughed out loud when that video played in game saying that precision passing or whatever was 'new'. I know for a fact its been in football games as far back as NFL 2k3 which was 10 freaking years ago. I know for sure its always been in NCAA this generation.

Like, cool, im glad its there, but don't disrespect your customers like that.

Joe Montana Football 94' debuted it btw. Seriously.

[Big FN Deal]

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Joe Montana Football 94' debuted it btw. Seriously.

I am glad you brought this game up because I was playing a rain game in M13 the other day and I remembered in Joe Montana Sports Talk 94 the rain drops actually hit the field, lol. In M13 it's just like watching it rain through outside while watching the game through a window.

That game was one of my favorites until we discovered the glitch where if you use the hurdle move, the ball carrier could no longer be tackled, lol.

[kackle85]

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I disagree with OP....I have yet to play a game online that i couldnt at least contain somebody's passing game. I think maybe once out of the 30 or so games i have played i couldnt stop somebodys passing game. There is a counter to almost everything somebody can throw at you this year. You just have to get creative and have some decent stick skills.

[Smoke6]

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I disagree with OP....I have yet to play a game online that i couldnt at least contain somebody's passing game. I think maybe once out of the 30 or so games i have played i couldnt stop somebodys passing game. There is a counter to almost everything somebody can throw at you this year. You just have to get creative and have some decent stick skills.

I'd like to introduce you to VirginGaming.com, here you will be put to the test and may either quit playing madden altogether, or be with the "if I cant beat them, join them" crews.

Have fun, please come back and report you findings after another 30 games from playing with those guys over there!

[LBzrule]

Re: They added maximum passing but id nothing to counter it on defense.

I disagree with OP....I have yet to play a game online that i couldnt at least contain somebody's passing game. I think maybe once out of the 30 or so games i have played i couldnt stop somebodys passing game. There is a counter to almost everything somebody can throw at you this year. You just have to get creative and have some decent stick skills.

Some if not most of the counters are less than ideal though. The quick passes to TE's out of Ace for instance, are difficult to defend. I saw only one guy defend that. But it meant 1 man rush and dropping everyone off the line into zone. I find that to be a terrible "counter" because now defense in the game has been reduced to max coverage with one man rush other wise known as F@G defense. You have great pass rushers yet their use in this game is not to rush the passer, rather their use is to drop off the line to deal with MESS.