Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

[frankstallone83]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

What's also confusing is when the team's overall changes randomly. For example, I made 1 test move by releasing Terrell Pryor and signing him to the Chargers (not in CCM, just offline). The Raiders went from 73 ovr to 82. Chargers jumped from 73 ovr to 83 lol. Why?

Check out my post #67. Once you start ccm team ratings are calculated differently. If you don't make any changes it will stay the same as play now but once you make a move it calculates team rating totally differently.

[forte]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

It's a frustrating concept. But you players ratings IN GAME are there ratings for YOUR SCHEME. any other ratings outside of playing a game are meaningless.

Just go by what u see in the pause screen IN GAME and there will be no confusion.

This is the main problem. Why have different ratings if they are meaningless? And we aren't supposed to look at overall? Isn't that the whole point of overall in every other sports game ever made? And what about when setting depth charts before a game or seeing ratings when trading players? I can't go to the pause screen then. The fact that people still don't know how or why schemes are calculated or what the true ratings are on what screen TWO years into this idea, means it's a ****ty idea to begin with.

I just want to know the true ratings of my players on every screen and have it be consistent. Does any other sports game mess with ratings like this? It's the most simple concept ever, but EA decided to get fancy with it and made it confusing and frustrating yet claim it's some innovative thing.

[sabres32]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

Check out my post #67. Once you start ccm team ratings are calculated differently. If you don't make any changes it will stay the same as play now but once you make a move it calculates team rating totally differently.

But if it's the same season I'm in and he has a 64 when not playing and then has a 75 when I start a game it just doesn't add up. Doesn't make any sense

[frankstallone83]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

But if it's the same season I'm in and he has a 64 when not playing and then has a 75 when I start a game it just doesn't add up. Doesn't make any sense

Hmm, that is interesting. I don't know how exactly team ratings are calculated in career mode all I can say is that player ratings are considered whereas in play now they are not (unless you make roster changes). So I guess it would actually be more accurate to say that when using default rosters teams are given a ranking whereas edited rosters use some kind of formula.

I kind of doubt with all the quality control issues this game has that Tiburon spent much time worrying about how scheme based player ratings affect team overall ratings. Which if my assumption is correct would be a good thing because they do have better things to worry about.

[juggalotusx]

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the whole thing is messed up, gore is rated i think a 94 powerback in power run scheme, but in ccm he is a 88 I think but in the scheme that harbaugh runs is what he is made for, its just garbage.
IMO its a glitch that they pass off as scheme ratings that matter player to player.
Also when you release a player and your teams goes up in play now is a glitch since 11, I called EA and they ended up giving me a 20 dollar coupon for EA stuff, what a joke it didnt even work.

[SPDougie]

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I've been having the same issue in CFM. I went to test with the Patriots. Rob Gronkowski is a 98 overall and he is a spread scheme with vertical threat. Had that scheme and role for him yet he is a 90 overall. Chandler Jones is 81 overall with hybrid defensive fronts and 3-4 versatile. Again the scheme and role matched what I was using yet his overall was a 71. I know people are saying the overall "doesn't matter", but it makes no sense to me how players can be this far off when you are playing in their ideal scheme and position role.

[Ueauvan]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

the other thing to remember when rosters are updated is are all version updated ie the connected careers one as well

[brettmickey]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

If you change the positional schemes before you advance to the first preseason week in the first season they take effect on the players, but once you advance they go back to their previous overall. That makes it seem to me that its broken and not that they wanted the schemes tied to the coaches and unchangeable.

I know overalls don't matter all that much but it is pretty annoying seeing both of my LEs in the 50s and being able to do nothing about it. And its not because those players are terrible, all the DEs across the whole league are way down overall, outside of Justin Smith and Watt, for however the Raiders have their scheme setup.

My friend told me that if you are in coach mode instead of owner mode then the changes to scheme are actually saved. It still doesn't solve my problem though as I want the control and options that come with being an owner. I tried seeing if you could be the head coach and owner of your team but they don't allow it. Guess we have to wait for a patch or something. Who knows if this will even be fixed in a patch because I doubt the Madden team knows it's a problem

[HadlerT]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

I also think part of it is because in preseason, player ratings are all different because when you make cuts it doesn't want you to know who you should actually cut, so you might cut a stud, or keep a bust.

[SPDougie]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

the other thing to remember when rosters are updated is are all version updated ie the connected careers one as well

When I tested mine I imported the updated rosters into CFM. So I can tell you that wasn't an issue in mine.

[goh]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

I always assumed it was the scouting and scheme. You don't have a D rated scout in play now.

[SPDougie]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

I also think part of it is because in preseason, player ratings are all different because when you make cuts it doesn't want you to know who you should actually cut, so you might cut a stud, or keep a bust.

I simulated the pre-season and all of my player ratings stayed the same, including players I cut. My guys are still much lower than their real overall even though they are playing in the perfect scheme and role for them.

While I can understand the inclusion of scheme this is just not right and something that needed to be patched. This problem might stem from every time starting a CFM no matter what team the starting scheme is West Coast and Attacking 4-3, regardless of what the actual schemes it tells you your head coach runs before choosing a team.

[Unlucky 13]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

This problem might stem from every time starting a CFM no matter what team the starting scheme is West Coast and Attacking 4-3, regardless of what the actual schemes it tells you your head coach runs before choosing a team.

Thats very interesting. Playing as the Fins, Id have never noticed, since those are the team's actual schemes, lol. Guess Miami fans got lucky.

[lopey986]

Re: Why does the player's overall rating change when I start my career?

This is the main problem. Why have different ratings if they are meaningless? And we aren't supposed to look at overall? Isn't that the whole point of overall in every other sports game ever made? And what about when setting depth charts before a game or seeing ratings when trading players? I can't go to the pause screen then. The fact that people still don't know how or why schemes are calculated or what the true ratings are on what screen TWO years into this idea, means it's a ****ty idea to begin with.

I just want to know the true ratings of my players on every screen and have it be consistent. Does any other sports game mess with ratings like this? It's the most simple concept ever, but EA decided to get fancy with it and made it confusing and frustrating yet claim it's some innovative thing.

couldn't have said it better myself. the whole "scheme" deal is god awful. in my bears franchise in season 2 i drafted nathan scheelhaase in the first round. in my scheme cutler is an 89 and scheelhaase is a 72. when i went in to play my first game cutler got knocked out on the first series so i went to have a look at my depth chart and see which backup qb to play, turns out Cutler's overall is only 81 and scheelhaase is 83 in game! this is totally idiotic!

[StayPlation82]

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It's so frustrating. David Diehl is a 74 Overall, but an 89 when I start CCF??????

Doesn't make ANY sense. I HATE schemes with a passion.

this could be that you're using the default CFM roster instead of importing the new roster you downloaded. that explains player position changes.

As far as overall changing in CFM...it's fantastic! it shows you who out there are OVR lovers. the attributes don't change and they play as they should on the field. people just have issues starting a WR with 87 SPD, RTE, CTH & CIT if his OVR is a 72. this kid Jared Abbrederis has been a godsend in my raiders franchise(ymmv). he's the only WR on the team that I can rely on!