Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen Gameplay Trailer and Four More War in the Trenches Videos

[Demoncrom]

Where are the referees?

Yeah the one thing I did notice where the Flick are the ReFS?

[radatdude2]

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Hope they can clean up stuff like this in the future. Same problem on current gen with guys floating and keeping their balance instead of falling.

Wow dude nice catch. yeah I hate when this happens just looks crazy. I understand the token word is true step but man it has to apply to all the players on the filed


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[TeeDogg]

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Nah the lineman in the back. Stuff like this happens on current gen all the time, when guys should fall, they hover and float off a both feet and still keep their balance. Look at my avi. Charles ran in for a touchdown after that animation. He got his foot caught on his lineman, during a juke animation, floated like that off a both feet continued to run.

I will say this, the progress made cleaning up the IE between M13 and M25 was better than I expected. I though it was to much of a trial effort in 13 so I never even bought it. but 25 was cleaned up quite a bit. If they focus on getting it polished and can avoid going off on "back of the box" missions we may be ok. I don't mind an occasional mishap here ad there but when its all over the place it really ruins the experience.

[dat swag]

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Wow dude nice catch. yeah I hate when this happens just looks crazy. I understand the token word is true step but man it has to apply to all the players on the filed


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One thing is certain...you guys don't miss a detail...I would never notice that. I'd have to think that their first priority is the instant animation but that is definately something I'd like to see cleaned up. But realistically I and most would never see that unless they ran a replay back and looked at it multiple times.

I'll bet a lady can't get a break with most of you guys picking out every flaw on her body...I can hear it now "Damn...she has a hell of a body and her face is like an angel"...then some random OS poster sais "But did you see the shape of her left thumb???...and that hangnail on her pinky toe?"

Back OT..I guess I'd be hesitant to assume anyhting until we get the final product in hand and are able to play the game...How do you know that what we are seeing wasn't just a build designed to show a few things off before they were completed with the tuning and other aspects of animation implementation? I do agree though that I would have liked to have seen one scenario where the DL got to the QB and brought him down while in one of those animations.

[wordtobigbird]

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One thing is certain...you guys don't miss a detail...I would never notice that. I'd have to think that their first priority is the instant animation but that is definately something I'd like to see cleaned up. But realistically I and most would never see that unless they ran a replay back and looked at it multiple times.

I'll bet a lady can't get a break with most of you guys picking out every flaw on her body...I can hear it now "Damn...she has a hell of a body and her face is like an angel"...then some random OS poster sais "But did you see the shape of her left thumb???...and that hangnail on her pinky toe?"

Back OT..I guess I'd be hesitant to assume anyhting until we get the final product in hand and are able to play the game...How do you know that what we are seeing wasn't just a build designed to show a few things off before they were completed with the tuning and other aspects of animation implementation? I do agree though that I would have liked to have seen one scenario where the DL got to the QB and brought him down while in one of those animations.

Its funny how you defend EA so hard and then throw out over dramatic hyperbole.. Madden isn't a beautiful lady and these guys are harping on a thumbnail. Horrible comparison. Madden is a 4 that we are trying see the beauty inside..

They don't like players floating, just because YOU can't see it doesn't mean it isnt a big deal..

[dat swag]

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Its funny how you defend EA so hard and then throw out over dramatic hyperbole.. Madden isn't a beautiful lady and these guys are harping on a thumbnail. Horrible comparison. Madden is a 4 that we are trying see the beauty inside..

They don't like players floating, just because YOU can't see it doesn't mean it isnt a big deal..

Dramatic?...I dunno...I think its safe to assume that the average gamer is not running back replays picking out every flaw in a game...That being said I want the same quality as most...I think you may be a bit confused in that you think the criticism here is the norm. Madden and EA will always be Public Enemy #1 because of the exclusivity deal, the death of 2k and its own self-imposed deficiencies.

I don't need to defend Madden or any game...Madden does just find no matter what I feel about it. The game that most people here want Madden to be will never happen because the 2K player and Madden player are to very different consumers. It can be summed up as such...Some guys like to watch a videogame and others like to actually play the videogame.

[NFL_GREAT]

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Wow dude nice catch. yeah I hate when this happens just looks crazy. I understand the token word is true step but man it has to apply to all the players on the filed


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That is definitely an infinity engine/physics issue more than it is a true step/locomotion issue. Ever since they added the physics, you get some wonky animations now and then. So hopefully they can keep tuning and cleaning the infinity engine up, because I for one For one think overall, outside of the occasional wonky animation, that the infinity engine is a huge improvement over not having the physics.

[Demoncrom]

Personally the only thing that looks good to me is the Oline/Dline. I love that the AI is improved but it still looks weird most of the time. I just want some smart CPU. Yeah, im setting the bar low lol.

Man that is a good point- maybe they plan to add head tracking in next year - wth - he should be looking at the nearest defender ahead of him

[Demoncrom]

Dramatic?...I dunno...I think its safe to assume that the average gamer is not running back replays picking out every flaw in a game...That being said I want the same quality as most...I think you may be a bit confused in that you think the criticism here is the norm. Madden and EA will always be Public Enemy #1 because of the exclusivity deal, the death of 2k and its own self-imposed deficiencies.

I don't need to defend Madden or any game...Madden does just find no matter what I feel about it. The game that most people here want Madden to be will never happen because the 2K player and Madden player are to very different consumers. It can be summed up as such...Some guys like to watch a videogame and others like to actually play the videogame.

Funny thing the difference I always thought about madden vs 2k was that Madden was for arcade players and 2K was for Sim and ever since Madden got the contract, they have consistently put out an imperfect more arcade friendly game year after year. Playing online or having an online component does not excuse them for having BAD AI.

Lets be real you can only control 1 player at a time you need the other 10 to actually be doing what the defined play says to do. Or at the least appearing to be competent. Funny thing also, since when was dline play irrelevant? Back in the 2k days you coujld actully play the d- line effectively enough to impact the game. With Madden you simply cannot do that and it is just one of those things we accept so we play the the Mike most of the time - and switch as needed. this is not how it was supposed to be.

There are many people like you who are staunch Madden defenders - many of my homies are the same but we play head to head and I see lots of folks playing the games flaws not their gameplan. TE always open - run post 10 times etc. These are things that you could not do in 2K because I could set a double on the TE and eliminate the play.

does EA make a decent game of football - sure - but is it highly flawed - YES IT IS.

[SageInfinite]

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One thing is certain...you guys don't miss a detail...I would never notice that. I'd have to think that their first priority is the instant animation but that is definately something I'd like to see cleaned up. But realistically I and most would never see that unless they ran a replay back and looked at it multiple times.

I'll bet a lady can't get a break with most of you guys picking out every flaw on her body...I can hear it now "Damn...she has a hell of a body and her face is like an angel"...then some random OS poster sais "But did you see the shape of her left thumb???...and that hangnail on her pinky toe?"

Back OT..I guess I'd be hesitant to assume anyhting until we get the final product in hand and are able to play the game...How do you know that what we are seeing wasn't just a build designed to show a few things off before they were completed with the tuning and other aspects of animation implementation? I do agree though that I would have liked to have seen one scenario where the DL got to the QB and brought him down while in one of those animations.

It can be considered nit-picking now, but when it happens like a play I described in my other post, it is a big deal. Can be the difference between getting stopped on 4th down or scoring. That is a big deal to me. If that player in the gif gets tripped up and falls like he should, he might not keep running to make a block. Little things can turn into big deals. If I notice it in next gen in early footage it's a big deal. Now it can be cleaned up, who knows how old this footage is.

With the limited footage we've seen so far, it's kinda hard not to dissect the things we see so we can get an idea of the type of stuff we'll have to deal with if we choose to buy the game. With Tiburon, you can't give them the benefit of the doubt that something will be fixed.

[SageInfinite]

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It can be summed up as such...Some guys like to watch a videogame and others like to actually play the videogame.

I'm sorry no disrespect, but that is BS. I will never understand that. 2k was not a quick time event game, everybody who understood and knew how to play the game, played. It was just pretty to watch while you played. Can't say the same for Madden. Honestly I think both games had control issues, but imo, it comes down to preference. One game was not better than the other in that aspect.

[royounggoku]

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Dramatic?...I dunno...I think its safe to assume that the average gamer is not running back replays picking out every flaw in a game...That being said I want the same quality as most...I think you may be a bit confused in that you think the criticism here is the norm. Madden and EA will always be Public Enemy #1 because of the exclusivity deal, the death of 2k and its own self-imposed deficiencies.

I don't need to defend Madden or any game...Madden does just find no matter what I feel about it. The game that most people here want Madden to be will never happen because the 2K player and Madden player are to very different consumers. It can be summed up as such...Some guys like to watch a videogame and others like to actually play the videogame.

[PJ33]

It looks like the defensive line is more interested in pushing and shoving the offensive linemen then they are at trying to get to the QB. Same stuff they have always had nothing has changed.

[dat swag]

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I'm sorry no disrespect, but that is BS. I will never understand that. 2k was not a quick time event game, everybody who understood and knew how to play the game, played. It was just pretty to watch while you played. Can't say the same for Madden. Honestly I think both games had control issues, but imo, it comes down to preference. One game was not better than the other in that aspect.

I enjoyed and like 2k so no disrespect felt here...But it is an Interesting response since I never indicated which game fit a certain criteria.

With one game being animation/presentation heavy and the other offering more user control its just a matter of preference. Hell, you can make any game look arcade just as much as you can do the opposite by making it play sim. Most guys complaining about the gameplay on Madden don't have a clue about the tools in the game that can stop whatever it is that they are complaining about.Meanwhile people seem to have selective amnesia regarding the 2k QB spy Glitch or the other DE glitches or crowd waving blitzer glitches that riddled that game. All they seem to remember is the animations and presentation which was very good.

I don't get into the sim vs arcade debates. Those end up being too elitist and preachy...Just play and have fun. I prefer a sim game and was able to do it with both games.

[LBzrule]

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I enjoyed and like 2k so no disrespect felt here...But it is an Interesting response since I never indicated which game fit a certain criteria.

With one game being animation/presentation heavy and the other offering more user control its just a matter of preference. Hell, you can make any game look arcade just as much as you can do the opposite by making it play sim. Most guys complaining about the gameplay on Madden don't have a clue about the tools in the game that can stop whatever it is that they are complaining about.Meanwhile people seem to have selective amnesia regarding the 2k QB spy Glitch or the other DE glitches or crowd waving blitzer glitches that riddled that game. All they seem to remember is the animations and presentation which was very good.

I don't get into the sim vs arcade debates. Those end up being too elitist and preachy...Just play and have fun. I prefer a sim game and was able to do it with both games.

I'm not going to get too much into the 2k vs EA thing, but all I can say is from my experience I had plenty of control in 2k. I always hear people say no control, but it felt like plenty of control to me. That's just my experience with it.