2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

[Blzer]

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I keep hearing "card game" and I'm sitting here not knowing what the bloody **** that means.

Is this something akin to MLB Showdown or something? (that's not a video game, by the way)

[zello144]

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I keep hearing "card game" and I'm sitting here not knowing what the bloody **** that means.

Is this something akin to MLB Showdown or something? (that's not a video game, by the way)

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An NFL version of that developed by 2k would be heartbreaking if this was the only thing to come out of this licensing deal.

[tsbmolina]

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Am I wrong in thinking EA has already defined what is Arcade by having different modes for Simulation and Arcade in Madden? Is the answer right underneath our nose?

[Blzer]

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An NFL version of that developed by 2k would be heartbreaking if this was the only thing to come out of this licensing deal.

That's what we're talking about??

That's sad. I'd rather just play a virtual MLB Showdown version (which may in essence be the same thing, but hopefully with a little less... animation).

[ksuttonjr76]

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An NFL version of that developed by 2k would be heartbreaking if this was the only thing to come out of this licensing deal.

I know you all don't think that's the best that Take-Two can do? They could have built that game without negotiating any contracts.

[ksuttonjr76]

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I'm not talking about EA. EA has nothing to do with my conversation. Well, sort of, but not really.

I'm talking about how the NFL would be gypped out of more money by 2K playing a workaround. And then, yes, partially how EA might sit and go: "Wait, how come they can do that for a nickel and we have to pay $1.5 billion just to have those items out of the box?"

As far as the rest of it goes, I'm redirecting you to my lemonade analogy, otherwise I'll be talking in circles like we all have been here. In fact, you were the very person who I responded to when I made it, so if you ignored it then I urge you read it to understand the intent of my posts.

I read it and it made zero sense. Point blank, EA's deal gives them exclusive rights to make 11v11 games with NFL themed environments. That deal runs through May 2026. Take-Two's NFL deal allows them make NFL games that is NOT 11v11 gameplay, hence "non-simulation". Take-Two's deal with the NFLPA allows them to use the current players however they see fit. The NFL deal allows them to make this stupid card game and NFL Playground that everyone keeps talking about. The NFLPA deal opens the door for 11v11 gameplay without the NFL themes. Unless I'm misunderstanding something, these are two separate deals.

It's really simple to what they can or can't do. In fact, if the 11v11 game outsells Madden, it opens the door for a possible future NFL/Take-Two deal.

EDIT: Look at the soccer videogames. There's the FIFA sponsored game (EA has the exclusive rights) then there's the "other" game in PES. There's literally a real-world example of what Take-Two can legally do.

[Pray_iv_m3rcy]

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Even for a non simulation license agreement that couldn't have been cheap. Otherwise why has 2k waited this long to jump on it? Unless they have seen what Saber interactive can do with the arcade market. Even so I think 2k should jump on the idea of doing something special with the NFLPA license similar to what they tried to do with historic players. Take another jab at the simulation market with real active nfl players this time around. Even if it doesn't compete with Madden it would surely be drastically cheaper than going after the NFL simulation license. An NFL playgrounds is just not going to be enough in my mind to warrant going out and finally working with the NFL and NFLPA after so many years.

[illwill10]

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That's what we're talking about??

That's sad. I'd rather just play a virtual MLB Showdown version (which may in essence be the same thing, but hopefully with a little less... animation).

That's how it most likely will be. That's just how it is for the MyNBA2k app. I never played the Supercard but I do play the MyNBA2k app. I just play the quick games for the daily VC. But I never once considered spending money in it. But a lot of people do because I always see many with elite card decks as soon as the app drops. I don't play it like I use to couple years ago. I used to do most of the events along with daily VC. But last couple years, I would just do the daily vc games until I got my player OVR to a certain OVR. If it was like the 2k13/2k14 app where it was mini-games and not necessary a card based games, that wouldn't be as bad. Especially the old facebook mynba2k app. That old app was basically the neighborhood years before it was even a thing for MyCareer.

So as I and others have said before, is that F2P card game(with pay-to-win microtransactions) and a Playground game worth it for 2k. Playgrounds don't really sell that well typically and you're not bringing that type of revenue from those mobile card games when you are paying for NFL and NFLPA licenses. If that was the case, then 2k just wants to get in the NFL market and take a very small piece of the pie. Legit chance that NFL SIM license stays exclusive to EA long term. So there's no long-game with the Playgrounds/Card game model. So at the very least, I would expect them to make a game that they can at least make a decent profit off it in their own non-sim lane.

[ksuttonjr76]

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Even for a non simulation license agreement that couldn't have been cheap. Otherwise why has 2k waited this long to jump on it? Unless they have seen what Saber interactive can do with the arcade market. Even so I think 2k should jump on the idea of doing something special with the NFLPA license similar to what they tried to do with historic players. Take another jab at the simulation market with real active nfl players this time around. Even if it doesn't compete with Madden it would surely be drastically cheaper than going after the NFL simulation license. An NFL playgrounds is just not going to be enough in my mind to warrant going out and finally working with the NFL and NFLPA after so many years.

NFL 2K gamers can thank NBA 2K for this attempt at an NFL game, lol.

I was just thinking about my last comment. This actually puts pressure on EA to make Madden games better. They better NOT let a non-licensed game outsell them. For Take-Two, it really becomes a win-win. Either they outsell Madden to a point where they technically don't need the NFL license, or they sell enough where they need the NFL license to "put them over the edge". Either way, EA is going to have to step their game up.

[steeleye5]

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So as I and others have said before, is that F2P card game(with pay-to-win microtransactions) and a Playground game worth it for 2k. Playgrounds don't really sell that well typically and you're not bringing that type of revenue from those mobile card games when you are paying for NFL and NFLPA licenses. If that was the case, then 2k just wants to get in the NFL market and take a very small piece of the pie. Legit chance that NFL SIM license stays exclusive to EA long term. So there's no long-game with the Playgrounds/Card game model. So at the very least, I would expect them to make a game that they can at least make a decent profit off it in their own non-sim lane.

I think calling it NFL Playgrounds is a bad analogy for what this game could be. I mean yeah it could exactly be a version of NBA Playgrounds but for Football, but I think it's extremely unlikely. They know NBA Playgrounds didn't sell so it makes zero sense to try to force a football version of that game. I still think it'll be arcadey but it'll also be something that can appeal to the masses.

My hope for the mobile card is less Supercard and more of something like Tap Sports Baseball.

[canes21]

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NFL 2K gamers can thank NBA 2K for this attempt at an NFL game, lol.

I was just thinking about my last comment. This actually puts pressure on EA to make Madden games better. They better NOT let a non-licensed game outsell them. For Take-Two, it really becomes a win-win. Either they outsell Madden to a point where they technically don't need the NFL license, or they sell enough where they need the NFL license to "put them over the edge". Either way, EA is going to have to step their game up.

Madden sells over 10 million copies per year. Whatever 2k does likely has little influence on EA.

[canes21]

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I did find this quote from the press release interesting.

“We’re thrilled to be working with the NFLPA and OneTeam to bring the biggest and best stars in football to the games we’re working on,” said David Ismailer, President of 2K. “We want to give fans experiences that are authentic, memorable and fun, and having a roster of real-life sports heroes through the Players Association and OneTeam is a huge part of delivering on that promise.”

The use of the word authentic is what caught my eye. It is how they described APF. Authentic also usually implies gameplay that is grounded and not arcade.

That said, the word choice could also have little insight to what 2k actually plans on doing, but that quote did stick out to me.

[mercalnd]

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If Take-Two used the NFLPA license to make a pro football "sim" using current players (with fictional teams, stadiums, logos, etc) then legally EA couldn't do anything about it.

Based on what we know, it is only if Take-Two attempted a football "sim" using the NFL license that EA would have legal grounds to intervene.

There is more to business than what you can and can't legally do.

2K has been wanting to get back in business with the NFL ever since 2004. Now that they have a new deal with them, it would make no sense to piss the NFL off by doing something the NFL does not approve of, regardless of whether it is legal or not.

Whenever 2K's new NFL deal runs out, the NFL is under no obligation whatsoever to continue their business relationship with 2K.

So while it is possible that 2K can legally be allowed to do what you are suggesting, there is no way 2K does anything to ruffle the feathers of such a major business partner that they have regained after a decade and a half of trying.

[ksuttonjr76]

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Madden sells over 10 million copies per year. Whatever 2k does likely has little influence on EA.

No, they don't.

https://old.muthead.com/forums/madden/mut-discussion/1401545-18-years-of-madden-game-sales

And that's against zero competition, but "against" NFL 2K5. Real talk, Take-Two is no NBA Live level of competition against EA.

[Kanobi]

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The NFLPA deal opens the door for 11v11 gameplay without the NFL themes. Unless I'm misunderstanding something, these are two separate deals.

That is correct. Take-Two's agreements with the NFL and NFLPA are separate and, based on current information, the Take-Two/NFL agreement is the only one restricted to being "non-simulation". Therefore, the door is open for Take-Two to make a pro football simulation with the NFLPA using current NFL players.