2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

[kjcheezhead]

Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

As far as I can tell, they can't. There's nothing stopping 2K from going the Madden 64 route that I mentioned earlier, if they now have an agreement with the PA. But they can't use the NFL's branding if they do that.

So, again, why pursue the NFL license in the first place if they can't use it for the purpose of creating this hypothetical 11v11 game? Some other type of NFL-licensed game would have to be in the works, like a mobile or card game that's been suggested.

If they are going by their 2 game NBA model, I think they would need the NFL license for the playgrounds game. It’s already very niche and generic teams even with real players wouldn’t sell well. Probably didn’t cost them as much as we think it would for this purpose. Quite a few mobile games already use the NFL license.

The players license is all they need for a APF type game to work. The original didn’t have any micro transactions and we all know it would definitely be included in a new version. It wouldn’t sell like an NFL simulation but I imagine it would be pretty profitable.

I’m with several others on here that just don’t believe that NFL playgrounds and a card game would make enough money to be worth the effort to get these licenses.


Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

[zello144]

Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

What if it's like a MyCareer only game where you play as one position.

NFL 2k QB, NFL 2k Signalcallers, etc. Something like Head coach but where you can only play as the QB.

[kehlis]

Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

What if it's like a MyCareer only game where you play as one position.



NFL 2k QB, NFL 2k Signalcallers, etc. Something like Head coach but where you can only play as the QB.

Still a simulation of the game.

[Pray_iv_m3rcy]

Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

What if it's like a MyCareer only game where you play as one position.

NFL 2k QB, NFL 2k Signalcallers, etc. Something like Head coach but where you can only play as the QB.

I think a mycareer experience but only go up to 7v7.
If it also included realistic player movement, signature animations and deep customization I would be very intrigued

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

What if it's like a MyCareer only game where you play as one position.



NFL 2k QB, NFL 2k Signalcallers, etc. Something like Head coach but where you can only play as the QB.

I'm pretty confident that there will be a MyCareer mode.

[Pray_iv_m3rcy]

Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

So this is what I dont understand. Why does 2k have to make a non simulation game with NFLPA if the NFL/NFLPA licenses are separate?

[Blzer]

Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

So this is what I dont understand. Why does 2k have to make a non simulation game with NFLPA if the NFL/NFLPA licenses are separate?

I don't know the answer for sure, but I'd say that the NFL wouldn't be too happy about that if they're already in bed with them in another light, especially if team customization was a possibility. It might not bode well with that other deal they have.

[canes21]

Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

Still a simulation of the game.

Do we actually have any idea what simulation means? I don't think it's been outlined what the NFL and EA defines as simulation. I would assume they have very certain limits that 2k has to work around.

Simulation could literally limit 2k from having a franchise mode and nothing more. It could limit them from using 11 v 11, 4 downs, etc.

We can guess what simulation is, but the truth is we have no idea, only EA, the NFL, and 2k know what the contracts define as simulation.

[btvs]

Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

It would be amazing if 2k gets to make a 11 on 11 game with real nfl rules but just make the player models with bigger muscles and whatnot to make it appear as an arcade style game. Maybe EA won't notice.

[kehlis]

Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

Do we actually have any idea what simulation means?

No, and I said that just a few posts back. This post was just my conjecture.

To your other points, no one knows true definition of what dictates simulation. Personally, I believe that the definition lays somewhere much closer to "anything that looks like a true football game."

That said, no one really knows, it's all speculation.

[Kanobi]

Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

So this is what I dont understand. Why does 2k have to make a non simulation game with NFLPA if the NFL/NFLPA licenses are separate?

Based on the information currently available, including any relevant press releases and statements, there is nothing that definitively states nor clearly indicates that Take-Two can't make a pro football simulation using current NFL players. Now, whether or not they actually do so remains to be seen.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

I don't know the answer for sure, but I'd say that the NFL wouldn't be too happy about that if they're already in bed with them in another light, especially if team customization was a possibility. It might not bode well with that other deal they have.

Why is everyone assuming that the NFL will care? They're getting paid. As long as Take Two doesn't "screw it up", the NFL will not be that involved.

[Wascally314]

Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

What specific rights does the NFL have to license to EA? Team names, team logos, stadiums, usage of trademark terms like super bowl, etc. I understand. But what would stop 2K from making an 11 vs 11 football game, 16 game season, same or similar rules, same cities, similar style playbooks, different logos/team names, 2000 active football NFLPA players (per press release), full franchise mode, etc. It doesn't have to be "arcadey" with weird player models and animations. EA can't possibly have an exclusive license on this type of stuff.

In other words, APF 2K21 with current NFLPA players.

[canes21]

Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

What specific rights does the NFL have to license to EA? Team names, team logos, stadiums, usage of trademark terms like super bowl, etc. I understand. But what would stop 2K from making an 11 vs 11 football game, 16 game season, same or similar rules, same cities, similar style playbooks, different logos/team names, 2000 active football NFLPA players (per press release), full franchise mode, etc. It doesn't have to be "arcadey" with weird player models and animations. EA can't possibly have an exclusive license on this type of stuff.

In other words, APF 2K21 with current NFLPA players.

We have zero idea what 2k can and cannot do. Not a single person outside of the NFL, EA, and 2k knows what 2k is allowed to do. That might be completely possible and something 2k does. The contracts might also say that 2k isn't allowed to do anything remotely like that.

2k is only going to be allowed to do what the NFL said they can do when signing the contract.

We have absolutely no idea what the NFL, EA, and 2k define as simulation football. It could be something very simple, it could be a very complex set of rules. Everyone here obviously has their own guess as to what simulation means, but nobody here actuaally knows.

You have to look at this from the business side of things. EA's license with the NFL could limit as much or as little as they wanted it too. EA's exclusive license really could limit 2k from doing everything in your post. It could limit none of that.

[VCdolphin]

Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

Do we actually have any idea what simulation means? I don't think it's been outlined what the NFL and EA defines as simulation. I would assume they have very certain limits that 2k has to work around.

Simulation could literally limit 2k from having a franchise mode and nothing more. It could limit them from using 11 v 11, 4 downs, etc.

We can guess what simulation is, but the truth is we have no idea, only EA, the NFL, and 2k know what the contracts define as simulation.

I'd be shocked if the definition of "simulation football" is not carefully defined in the contract between the NFL and 2K Sports (and that EA effectively signed off on it). Otherwise it would be like asking a company to build a car, and then present it for review to see if it is too similar to existing vehicles built by this other company. You'd never wasted the time and money unless you knew you could actually go on to mass produce the car you built.

Now, it would be cool if 2K Sports produced a more arcade style game with the full NFL team names/logos/uniforms and actual players AND also gave us a generic simulation football game with the actual NFL players (thanks to the NFLPA license) but with fake team names/logos/uniforms.

This will let them test the waters to see what combination of licenses and game styles will actually sell. I'd be perfectly content to play as the "Miami Sharks" using the actual NFL players for example. I'd be much less inclined to buy a 7 versus7 arcade style game even if it had the actual NFL players combined with the actual team names/logos/uniforms.

I'm hoping we get some solid news by the end of this year on what 2K Sports has planned for 2021. I'd also add that there are several indie football game developers who are making fair progress on creating simulation football games. The more support they get, the faster they can improve their games.